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"Andrew Chaplin" <abchaplin@yourfinger.home.com> wrote

> Today, 26 May, is the 286th anniversary of the entry of the Royal
> Regiment of Artillery onto the Order of Battle as a permanent member
> in 1716.

I salute the Artillery.

Cheers!

Gary

Gary wrote:

> "Andrew Chaplin" <abchaplin@yourfinger.home.com> wrote
>
> > Today, 26 May, is the 286th anniversary of the entry of the Royal
> > Regiment of Artillery onto the Order of Battle as a permanent member
> > in 1716.
>
> I salute the Artillery.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Gary

The Gunners (or Planks to the initiated) share the same motto as the Royal
Engineers:

RE: Ubique - means "Everywhere"
Gunners: Ubique - means "All over the f***ing shop"

Seriously, Sappers wear a blue lanyard on the left shoulder because they
saved the guns during a Boer War battle, (the name of which I forget) to
the undying shame of the Battery involved.

Cheers!

Gordon
late 34 Fd Sqn RE

"Gordon Burgess-Parker" <gordon@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk> wrote

> Seriously, Sappers wear a blue lanyard on the left shoulder because they
> saved the guns during a Boer War battle, (the name of which I forget) to
> the undying shame of the Battery involved.

Thus another bit of ignorance is perpetuated.

I'll be under my desk while the Artillerymen here take care of this one.
Again.

Cheers!

Gary

Gary wrote:
> 
> "Gordon Burgess-Parker" <gordon@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
> 
> > Seriously, Sappers wear a blue lanyard on the left shoulder because they
> > saved the guns during a Boer War battle, (the name of which I forget) to
> > the undying shame of the Battery involved.
> 
> Thus another bit of ignorance is perpetuated.
> 
> I'll be under my desk while the Artillerymen here take care of this one.
> Again.

I leave this one lie, Gary, as I cross-posted it. (This is not the
Leliefontein issue.) The RE may well have saved guns at some point,
but I doubt that any disgrace or shame can be laid at the RA's door,
just as none can be laid at the RCFA's door over Leliefontein; more
likely the Boers had sniped the teams, as they were wont to do. The
RCE adopted the lanyard of the RE on the strength of the latter's use
of it. Service on those occasions that was a great credit to the RE
and RCD was not a discredit to the RA or RCFA.

No one has yet to provide me a citation that the white lanyard of the
artillery is from any other origin than that lanyard cord, in use
since the friction tube before the 1870's, was white.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." 
out, and change "home" to "rogers".)

"Andrew Chaplin" <abchaplin@yourfinger.home.com> wrote

> I leave this one lie, Gary, as I cross-posted it. (This is not the
> Leliefontein issue.)

<snip>

Ahyup: My bad. I didn't know I was crossposting until after I sent (ain't
that always the case? <grin>)

Cheers!

Gary

Andrew Chaplin wrote:
> 
> Today, 26 May, is the 286th anniversary of the entry of the Royal
> Regiment of Artillery onto the Order of Battle as a permanent member
> in 1716. Prior to that it was raised for each campaign and then
> disbanded. It was likely George I with his knowledge of the armies on
> the Continent who brought this about.
> --
> Andrew Chaplin
> SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
> (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger."
> out, and change "home" to "rogers".)
Congrats to my artillery bretheren from an infantry mortarman!  Cheers!
-- 
David Garvin
Oromocto, NB
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!"

> The Gunners (or Planks to the initiated) share the same motto as the Royal
> Engineers:
> 
> RE: Ubique - means "Everywhere"
> Gunners: Ubique - means "All over the f***ing shop"
> 
> Seriously, Sappers wear a blue lanyard on the left shoulder because they
> saved the guns during a Boer War battle, (the name of which I forget) to
> the undying shame of the Battery involved.

Lets not start THIS again!  I've also heard the myth that the RCR
lanyard (a thing of the past with CADPAT) was due to saving Arty Guns in
the Boer war.  Here's the skinny on the lanyard (or whistle cord):
(RCR Version)
When the forces had battle dress and all that, leaders (NCOs, W.O.'s and
Officers) had blue lanyards.  This dissappeared upon issue of the
now-familiar OD combats.  Around the time of unification, the defence
minister attempted to get an across-the-board pay raise for the junior
soldiers.  The treasury board said no.  So, he changed the method to be
promoted to Corporal (automatic after four years vice jr. NCO training).
So, EVERYONE was a corporal.  How to distinguish between an 'old time'
Cpl and an 'instant cpl' before the appointment of MCpl came about?  The
RCR solution was for 'true' NCOs to wear a lanyard.  This became a
regimental order of dress, which is now being phased out due to CADPAT
not having epaulettes.  It's now an 'unofficial' order of dress for
almost every militia unit you see now. 
Pro Patria, and happy birthday artillery!

> Cheers!
> 
> Gordon
> late 34 Fd Sqn RE

-- 
David Garvin
Oromocto, NB
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!"

David Garvin wrote:

> Congrats to my artillery bretheren from an infantry mortarman!  Cheers!
> --
> David Garvin
> Oromocto, NB

Oh, so I'm your patron Saint....

Barbara

P.S. Watch out for the lightning.

Barbara Amero wrote:
> 
> David Garvin wrote:
> 
> > Congrats to my artillery bretheren from an infantry mortarman!  Cheers!
> > --
> > David Garvin
> > Oromocto, NB
> 
> Oh, so I'm your patron Saint....
> 
> Barbara
> 
> P.S. Watch out for the lightning.
Non-Sequitor: I don't follow.  How could YOU (of all people) be a saint,
let alone MY saint?
-- 
David Garvin
Oromocto, NB
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!"

David Garvin wrote:
> 
> Barbara Amero wrote:
> >
> > David Garvin wrote:
> >
> > > Congrats to my artillery bretheren from an infantry mortarman!  Cheers!
> > > --
> > > David Garvin
> > > Oromocto, NB
> >
> > Oh, so I'm your patron Saint....
> >
> > Barbara
> >
> > P.S. Watch out for the lightning.

> Non-Sequitor: I don't follow.  

Saint Barbara is your patron Saint, isn't she? 

Saint Barbara
"And Be Careful What You Click On!"
http://www.gunnies.net/

Guess you didn't follow past threads on Saint Barbara, and 
that misogynist John Jenkin Sr.'s initiated nation wide hate 
campaign to get my Chebucto Community Net account terminated. 
Jenkins is now dead, struck by a stroke, don't know if it was 
of lightning, but members of his group, 'TeamBronze', said I
was claiming credit for his demise. 

> How could YOU (of all people) be a saint,

Oh, of all people, huh... oh, c'mon now fella, I ain't that bad ...
and how many women wannabe a saint?  I 'shore' don't.

> let alone MY saint?

just a joke, obviously.

Don't Scaly Backs wear the same colour lanyard?


"Gordon Burgess-Parker" <gordon@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:3CF13DC7.ADC3E13A@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk...
> Gary wrote:
>
> > "Andrew Chaplin" <abchaplin@yourfinger.home.com> wrote
> >
> > > Today, 26 May, is the 286th anniversary of the entry of the Royal
> > > Regiment of Artillery onto the Order of Battle as a permanent member
> > > in 1716.
> >
> > I salute the Artillery.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Gary
>
> The Gunners (or Planks to the initiated) share the same motto as the Royal
> Engineers:
>
> RE: Ubique - means "Everywhere"
> Gunners: Ubique - means "All over the f***ing shop"
>
> Seriously, Sappers wear a blue lanyard on the left shoulder because they
> saved the guns during a Boer War battle, (the name of which I forget) to
> the undying shame of the Battery involved.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Gordon
> late 34 Fd Sqn RE
>
>

Barbara Amero puked forth the following bile:

> 
> Saint Barbara is your patron Saint, isn't she?

Nope!  I am NOT an artilleryman!!!!


> Guess you didn't follow past threads on Saint Barbara, and
> that misogynist John Jenkin Sr.'s initiated nation wide hate
> campaign to get my Chebucto Community Net account terminated.
> Jenkins is now dead, struck by a stroke, don't know if it was
> of lightning, but members of his group, 'TeamBronze', said I
> was claiming credit for his demise.

Boy, you sure are full of yourself, babs.  "Misogynist" is a funny word.
Especially coming from a misandrist.

Have a great day, and remember, just because John Jenkin initiated a
nation-wide hate campaign against you does not make him a misogynist. 
It just means that he hates (hated) you.

-- 
David Garvin
Oromocto, NB
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!"

"David Garvin" wrote:

> Nope!  I am NOT an artilleryman!!!!

She has in her baileywick gunners, sappers, miners, and ALL who work with
explosives, and is invoked when there is a danger of lightning. Sorry, Dave,
if'n you a mortar guy, you fits (especially since you are in danger of being
struck by lightining).

Actually, after the Sigs, I think the Guns get struck more than anyone else
in the army. Hanging around large metal things in the rain might have
something to do with it. IIRC, D Bty got hit twice in the same storm during
a ArtyCon in 1973. (Maybe the fact Howie Wheatley was in charge also had
something to do with it. Maj Ron Miller, then a 19-year-old militia puke,
was on one of the guns hit and kind of jittery for a while afterwards.
Thoroughly f*cked up the Tannoy system in the CP, but the old C-42s kept
right on transmitting.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out, and
change "home" to "rogers".)

Andrew Chaplin wrote:
> 
> "David Garvin" wrote:
> 
> > Nope!  I am NOT an artilleryman!!!!

Must apologize if this came off the wrong way.  Sorry, guys.
> 
> She has in her baileywick gunners, sappers, miners, and ALL who work with
> explosives, and is invoked when there is a danger of lightning. Sorry, Dave,
> if'n you a mortar guy, you fits (especially since you are in danger of being
> struck by lightining).
Yep!  We were told to 'shut down' the FSCC due to threat of lightning
(all them radios, etc)

Anyway, have a gooder!

David Garvin
Oromocto, NB
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!"

Buster wrote:

> Don't Scaly Backs wear the same colour lanyard?
>
> "Gordon Burgess-Parker" <gordon@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:3CF13DC7.ADC3E13A@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk...
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> > > "Andrew Chaplin" <abchaplin@yourfinger.home.com> wrote
> > >
> > > > Today, 26 May, is the 286th anniversary of the entry of the Royal
> > > > Regiment of Artillery onto the Order of Battle as a permanent member
> > > > in 1716.
> > >
> > > I salute the Artillery.
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > Gary
> >
> > The Gunners (or Planks to the initiated) share the same motto as the Royal
> > Engineers:
> >
> > RE: Ubique - means "Everywhere"
> > Gunners: Ubique - means "All over the f***ing shop"
> >
> > Seriously, Sappers wear a blue lanyard on the left shoulder because they
> > saved the guns during a Boer War battle, (the name of which I forget) to
> > the undying shame of the Battery involved.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Gordon
> > late 34 Fd Sqn RE
> >
> >

I ought to know what a "scaley back" is ....remind me?

David Garvin wrote:
> 
> Barbara Amero puked forth the following bile:
> 
> >
> > Saint Barbara is your patron Saint, isn't she?
> 
> Nope!  I am NOT an artilleryman!!!!

I know you're not an artilleryman. Well, according to what YOU
said, you're not an artilleryman. You're an infantile mortarman. 
Oops, I meant to say infantry motorman. Oh, shit, I mean mortarman.
You stated: "Congrats to my artillery bretheren from an infantry 
mortarman!" I take that to mean that you are an infantry mortarman. 
Therefore Saint Barbara is your patron Saint. You stupidman!!!! 

> > Guess you didn't follow past threads on Saint Barbara, and
> > that misogynist John Jenkin Sr.'s initiated nation wide hate
> > campaign to get my Chebucto Community Net account terminated.
> > Jenkins is now dead, struck by a stroke, don't know if it was
> > of lightning, but members of his group, 'TeamBronze', said I
> > was claiming credit for his demise.
> 
> Boy, you sure are full of yourself, babs.  

My name is Barbara, not babs. Your comment is irrational.

> "Misogynist" is a funny word. Especially coming from a misandrist.

It's not a funny word, regardless of who it's coming from.

> Have a great day, 

How Christian of you. BTW, Jesus did not look down on, 'degrade' or 
judge whores as you do.  Jesus was not one a them loutish, macho 
Canadian servicemen like you who claims to call men fags and queers 
to 'degrade' them and then say your use of such language is never 
random or all-encompassing. Watch out for the lightning or fags and 
queers when you're walking alone at CFB Gagetown. 

> and remember, just because John Jenkin initiated a nation-wide 
> hate campaign against you does not make him a misogynist. It 
> just means that he hates (hated) you.

John Jenkins Sr. was a woman-hater and his hatred of women was not
only directed towards me. He was also a homophobe.

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

> I ought to know what a "scaley back" is ....remind me?

Sapper, i'nit?
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." 
out, and change "home" to "rogers".)

David Garvin wrote:
> 
> Andrew Chaplin wrote:
> >
> > "David Garvin" wrote:
> >
> > > Nope!  I am NOT an artilleryman!!!!
> 
> Must apologize if this came off the wrong way.  Sorry, guys.

Don't be; I thought it came off right for someone who is not a Gunner.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." 
out, and change "home" to "rogers".)

"Andrew Chaplin" <abchaplin@yourfinger.home.com> wrote in message
news:3CF2D054.1D7416CC@yourfinger.home.com...
> Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>
> > I ought to know what a "scaley back" is ....remind me?
>
> Sapper, i'nit?
> --
> Andrew Chaplin
> SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
> (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger."
> out, and change "home" to "rogers".)

Royal Signals. . .  called scaleys from the early manpack radios which would
chafe and cause "scales".

On Tue, 28 May 2002 00:35:06 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
<abchaplin@yourfinger.home.com> wrote:

>> I ought to know what a "scaley back" is ....remind me?
>
>Sapper, i'nit?

No

Royal Signals

JH

Barbara Amero slithered upon a rock and with forked tongue issued the
following twaddle to the great unwashed:
> I know you're not an artilleryman. Well, according to what YOU
> said, you're not an artilleryman. You're an infantile mortarman. 
> Oops, I meant to say infantry motorman. Oh, shit, I mean mortarman.
> You stated: "Congrats to my artillery bretheren from an infantry 
> mortarman!" I take that to mean that you are an infantry mortarman. 
> Therefore Saint Barbara is your patron Saint. You stupidman!!!! 
You are somewhat correct in calling me an infantile mortarman.  The
word "infantry" does indeed come from the word "infant", as the foot
soldiers were considered the pick of the scum of the earth at one
time.  Heck, one had to be a major before getting a horse, while even
the lowest trooper in the cavalry had one!
Anyway, the following is what I found on Saint Barbara at
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintb01.htm.  She is the patron
saint for the following:
"against death by artillery, against explosions, against fire, against
impenitence, against lightning, against mine collapse, against storms,
ammunition magazines, ammunition workers, architects, armourers,
artillery, artillerymen, boatmen, bomb technicians, brass workers,
brewers, builders, carpenters, construction workers, dying people,
explosives workers, fire, fire prevention, firefighters, fireworks,
fireworks manufacturers, fortifications, founders, geologists,
gravediggers, gunners, hatmakers, hatters, lightning, mariners,
martyrs, masons, mathematicians, military engineers, milliners,
miners, ordnance workers, prisoners, safety from storms, sailors,
saltpetre workers, stone masons, stonecutters, storms, sudden death,
smelters, Syria, tilers, warehouses, watermen"
Not once do I see "mortarman" in there.  Some would call a mortar a
piece of artillery, but I do not.  Neither do the gunners out there, I
suppose.


> 
> > "Misogynist" is a funny word. Especially coming from a misandrist.
> 
> It's not a funny word, regardless of who it's coming from.
Sure it is!  ESPECIALLY coming from a hypocrite like you.
> 
> > Have a great day, 
> 
> How Christian of you. BTW, Jesus did not look down on, 'degrade' or 
> judge whores as you do.  Jesus was not one a them loutish, macho 
> Canadian servicemen like you who claims to call men fags and queers 
> to 'degrade' them and then say your use of such language is never 
> random or all-encompassing. Watch out for the lightning or fags and 
> queers when you're walking alone at CFB Gagetown. 

Woohoo!  I'm loutish AND macho!  I say this in pride because I know
that you didn't intend on degrading me by calling me that, right?

> 
> John Jenkins Sr. was a woman-hater and his hatred of women was not
> only directed towards me. He was also a homophobe.

And this isn't libel because..........?
Narf!

David Garvin At Work wrote:
> 
> Barbara Amero slithered upon a rock and with forked tongue issued the
> following twaddle to the great unwashed:
> > I know you're not an artilleryman. Well, according to what YOU
> > said, you're not an artilleryman. You're an infantile mortarman.
> > Oops, I meant to say infantry motorman. Oh, shit, I mean mortarman.
> > You stated: "Congrats to my artillery bretheren from an infantry
> > mortarman!" I take that to mean that you are an infantry mortarman.
> > Therefore Saint Barbara is your patron Saint. You stupidman!!!!

> You are somewhat correct in calling me an infantile mortarman.  

Somewhat correct? Where did I go wrong?

> The word "infantry" does indeed come from the word "infant", as the 
> foot soldiers were considered the pick of the scum of the earth at 
> one time.  

Brownmiller writes, "Charlie Company was a 'grunt' unit. 'As 
always' Hersh writes, 'the men assigned to infantry units were 
those who upon entering service performed poorly on the various 
Army qualification and aptitude examinations'" ("Against Our Will:
Men, Women and Rape," Susan Brownmiller).

> Heck, one had to be a major before getting a horse, while even
> the lowest trooper in the cavalry had one!
> Anyway, the following is what I found on Saint Barbara at
> http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintb01.htm.  She is the 
> patron saint for the following:
> "against death by artillery, against explosions, against fire, against
> impenitence, against lightning, against mine collapse, against storms,
> ammunition magazines, ammunition workers, architects, armourers,
> artillery, artillerymen, boatmen, bomb technicians, brass workers,
> brewers, builders, carpenters, construction workers, dying people,
> explosives workers, fire, fire prevention, firefighters, fireworks,
> fireworks manufacturers, fortifications, founders, geologists,
> gravediggers, gunners, hatmakers, hatters, lightning, mariners,
> martyrs, masons, mathematicians, military engineers, milliners,
> miners, ordnance workers, prisoners, safety from storms, sailors,
> saltpetre workers, stone masons, stonecutters, storms, sudden death,
> smelters, Syria, tilers, warehouses, watermen"

> Not once do I see "mortarman" in there.  

Saint Barbara is the patron Saint of anyone who works around
ammunition, explosives. Presumably you do.

> Some would call a mortar a piece of artillery, but I do not.  Neither 
> do the gunners out there, I suppose.

From a British Army website:

   The 81MM MORTAR is the Infantry�s own artillery. 
   It can fire explosive shells out to.... 

> > > "Misogynist" is a funny word. Especially coming from a misandrist.
> >
> > It's not a funny word, regardless of who it's coming from.
> Sure it is!  ESPECIALLY coming from a hypocrite like you.

Some men laugh about rape.

> > > Have a great day,
> >
> > How Christian of you. BTW, Jesus did not look down on, 'degrade' or
> > judge whores as you do.  Jesus was not one a them loutish, macho
> > Canadian servicemen like you who claims to call men fags and queers
> > to 'degrade' them and then say your use of such language is never
> > random or all-encompassing. Watch out for the lightning or fags and
> > queers when you're walking alone at CFB Gagetown.
> 
> Woohoo!  I'm loutish AND macho!  I say this in pride because I know
> that you didn't intend on degrading me by calling me that, right?

That's right ... my opinion of you remains the same, not lowered.

How do you rationalize calling yourself a Christian? Given that
Jesus did not look down on, 'degrade' or judge whores, how do you
rationalize doing so?

How do you rationalize your claim that you call men fags and queers
to 'degrade' them and then say such is not random or all-encompassing?
How is such not all-encompassing? How are the men you call fags and 
queers 'degraded' by being called fags and queers?

David Garvin wrote:
> 
> Barbara Amero vomited the following:
> 
> > How do you rationalize calling yourself a Christian? Given that
> > Jesus did not look down on, 'degrade' or judge whores, how do you
> > rationalize doing so?

> I do not look down on, 'degrade' or judge whores.  

When you said the woman "whored herself," did you mean that 
she is a whore?

> Like Christ, I look down on, 'degrade' and judge whoring to be sinful.  

I really don't know if Christ did that or what you judge to be 
whoring.  Perhaps you should leave the judging to someone of a 
higher rank. What else do you do like Christ? Perhaps I should 
ask, what don't you do like Christ? On second thought, go with 
the first question for the sake of brevity. Oh, BTW, I read that
Jesus was no wimp in a white nightie, but I didn't take that to
mean that he was like the loutish, macho Canadian servicemen.

> BTW: "whoring" needs two to tango, so to speak.  

I read that whores in Argentina invented the tango, that "the tango 
was denounced by Argentina's polite society," and that they were "the 
only women bold enough--and sufficiently comfortable with their own 
sexuality--to dance it." Don't have the source at hand.
                          
> One cannot whore themselves without someone else to be 'whored'.

Please explain what you mean.
 
I am not familiar with some of the terms you have been using. Please 
define the following terms that you have used to date with regard to 
this issue: whore, whored, whoring, whorer, whoree.

Oh, and in the situation you described, with regard to the army guy's
wife, who was the whore and who was whored, or were they both whores
and whored, and who was the 'whorer' and who was the 'whoree'?

> > How do you rationalize your claim that you call men fags and queers
> > to 'degrade' them and then say such is not random or all-encompassing?
> > How is such not all-encompassing? How are the men you call fags and
> > queers 'degraded' by being called fags and queers?

> How IS it all-encompassing?

I'd rather you answer the question I asked, how is such (it) not 
all-encompassing? 

> Narf!

I'm not familiar with that, whatever it is ... is it 'military talk'?

Barbara Amero vomited the following:

> How do you rationalize calling yourself a Christian? Given that
> Jesus did not look down on, 'degrade' or judge whores, how do you
> rationalize doing so?
I do not look down on, 'degrade' or judge whores.  Like Christ, I look
down on, 'degrade' and judge whoring to be sinful.  BTW: "whoring" needs
two to tango, so to speak.  One cannot whore themselves without someone
else to be 'whored'.
> 
> How do you rationalize your claim that you call men fags and queers
> to 'degrade' them and then say such is not random or all-encompassing?
> How is such not all-encompassing? How are the men you call fags and
> queers 'degraded' by being called fags and queers?
How IS it all-encompassing?

Narf!
-- 
David Garvin
Oromocto, NB
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!"

Barbara Amero is credited with the following blathering:

> 
> Brownmiller writes, "Charlie Company was a 'grunt' unit. 'As
> always' Hersh writes, 'the men assigned to infantry units were
> those who upon entering service performed poorly on the various
> Army qualification and aptitude examinations'" ("Against Our Will:
> Men, Women and Rape," Susan Brownmiller).
Not the case anymore.  I have at least one soldier in my platoon (who is
not an officer, or an NCO even) who has a degree.  All are at least high
school graduates, and several others have completed part of their
post-secondary education.  They have for the most part performed very
well on the 'various Army qualification and aptitude examinations".
> 

> 
> Saint Barbara is the patron Saint of anyone who works around
> ammunition, explosives. Presumably you do.

"ammunition worker" does not equal "anyone who works around ammunition,
explosives".  Are the police "anyone who work around ammunition,
explosives?"
> 
> > Some would call a mortar a piece of artillery, but I do not.  Neither
> > do the gunners out there, I suppose.
> 
> From a British Army website:
> 
>    The 81MM MORTAR is the Infantry�s own artillery.
>    It can fire explosive shells out to....
Nice.  British Army website.  I'm not in the British Army.  


> Some men laugh about rape.

And some women fantasize about being raped.  What's your point?


-- 
David Garvin
Oromocto, NB
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!"

"Gordon Burgess-Parker" <gordon@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:3CF2B1FA.C33BE661@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk...
> Buster wrote:
>
> > Don't Scaly Backs wear the same colour lanyard?
> >
> > "Gordon Burgess-Parker" <gordon@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> > message news:3CF13DC7.ADC3E13A@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk...
> > > Gary wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Andrew Chaplin" <abchaplin@yourfinger.home.com> wrote
> > > >
> > > > > Today, 26 May, is the 286th anniversary of the entry of the Royal
> > > > > Regiment of Artillery onto the Order of Battle as a permanent
member
> > > > > in 1716.
> > > >
> > > > I salute the Artillery.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > >
> > > > Gary
> > >
> > > The Gunners (or Planks to the initiated) share the same motto as the
Royal
> > > Engineers:
> > >
> > > RE: Ubique - means "Everywhere"
> > > Gunners: Ubique - means "All over the f***ing shop"
> > >
> > > Seriously, Sappers wear a blue lanyard on the left shoulder because
they
> > > saved the guns during a Boer War battle, (the name of which I forget)
to
> > > the undying shame of the Battery involved.
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > Gordon
> > > late 34 Fd Sqn RE
> > >
> > >
>
> I ought to know what a "scaley back" is ....remind me?
>
>
Those poor guys that have a baltet dancer on their berets - Royal Signals

> I read that whores in Argentina invented the tango, that "the tango
> was denounced by Argentina's polite society," and that they were "the
> only women bold enough--and sufficiently comfortable with their own
> sexuality--to dance it." Don't have the source at hand.

Do you dance the tango Barbara ???

David Garvin wrote:

> Barbara Amero is credited with the following blathering:

> > Some men laugh about rape.
> 
> And some women fantasize about being raped.  What's your point?

That is a rape myth men use to justify forcing sex on women, which
is closely tied to the notion that "women who sincerely wish to avoid 
being sexually assaulted will do so--if a woman is not looking for a 
liason, she will avoid situations in which one might occur. If she
truly has no interest in a sexual tryst, she will dress conservatively,
stay out of bars, be accompanied everywhere by an escort, avoid hitch-
hiking, and so on. Furthermore, the saying that 'moving needles cannot
be threaded' embodies another folk belief about rape; if a woman really
resists forced intercourse, it cannot occur" ("The Shadow Line: Deviance
and Crime in Canada," Ian McDermid Gomme). Women don't fantasize about 
'being raped'. Rape or 'being raped' is not the same as women's
fantasies 
about aggressive sex or rape. A woman is in CONTROL of her fantasies; 
women are not in control when they are raped or otherwise sexually 
assaulted. When women are raped or otherwise sexually assaulted, they 
are victims. In a fantasy, the woman is not a victim, the woman has 
complete CONTROL, unlike reality. A woman does not want to be raped. 

Rape is not funny. Rape is not a joke.  Your response is disgusting
and says something about you. You have even made light of the sexual 
harassment, sexual abuse of elementary school *girls*. Men who support
and perpetuate rape myths, trivialize rape and minimize the sexual 
harassment/abuse of girls and women are complicit in the rape and 
sexual harassment/abuse of girls and women. There are MANY men like 
you in the Canadian Forces and the society at large.

"Men rape. This is Fact One, and no discussion of sexual assault should 
distract us from this reality. Historically, men have always denied and 
evaded Fact One. That is Fact Two, and no discussion of the causes of 
sexual assault should deflect us from this responsibility. Recognition 
of reality and acknowledgment of responsibility can come with great 
difficulty to most men. Evasions, denials, and defensiveness, however, 
miss the point and simply will no longer suffice." - Charlie Jones

Male Responsibility For Rape And Rape Awareness
http://www.ncadd-sfv.org/mem_and_rape.htm

"Vets have to decide what legacy we are going to pass along to the 
next and future generations-to continue marching to the beat of 
sexism and sexual violence towards women, to uphold those moments 
in our lives we feel the worst about, or to determinedly fight to 
bring about a new day. But be forewarned: sexism is one of the big 
foundation blocks of the empire-if we bring down the one the other 
falls too!" 

http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/sw/sw31/pgs_15-24/c_cap.html

Men Against Rape
http://website.lineone.net/~dignity/men.html

Barbara Amero

your all wrong you know.. happy artillery day was 2 years ago when i retired
from theRA as a SSGT :)
lol Steve
"Odd Job John" <buster_pjh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0RI8.3061$C72.183403@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
>
> "Gordon Burgess-Parker" <gordon@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:3CF2B1FA.C33BE661@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk...
> > Buster wrote:
> >
> > > Don't Scaly Backs wear the same colour lanyard?
> > >
> > > "Gordon Burgess-Parker" <gordon@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
in
> > > message news:3CF13DC7.ADC3E13A@burgessparker.freeserve.co.uk...
> > > > Gary wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Andrew Chaplin" <abchaplin@yourfinger.home.com> wrote
> > > > >
> > > > > > Today, 26 May, is the 286th anniversary of the entry of the
Royal
> > > > > > Regiment of Artillery onto the Order of Battle as a permanent
> member
> > > > > > in 1716.
> > > > >
> > > > > I salute the Artillery.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > > Gary
> > > >
> > > > The Gunners (or Planks to the initiated) share the same motto as the
> Royal
> > > > Engineers:
> > > >
> > > > RE: Ubique - means "Everywhere"
> > > > Gunners: Ubique - means "All over the f***ing shop"
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, Sappers wear a blue lanyard on the left shoulder because
> they
> > > > saved the guns during a Boer War battle, (the name of which I
forget)
> to
> > > > the undying shame of the Battery involved.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > >
> > > > Gordon
> > > > late 34 Fd Sqn RE
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > I ought to know what a "scaley back" is ....remind me?
> >
> >
> Those poor guys that have a baltet dancer on their berets - Royal Signals
>
>

Barbara Amero coughed and hacked and wheezed and this fell out of her
mouth:


> > And some women fantasize about being raped.  What's your point?
> 
> That is a rape myth men use to justify forcing sex on women,

Really?  I suppose that you would agree then that all heterosexual acts
are a form of rape, wouldn't you?
Anyway, Barbara, I could tell you a story.  A story about a former
girlfriend of a friend of mine.  OK, she was mine.  She told me one
night that she had this fantasy.  In the end, I didn't play along. 
Also, others have fantasies about being tied up and beaten, and
sometimes these people are women!  Oh my!  Just watch that show "Kink"
on showcase sometime.  

I also note that you didn't say "some men use to justify...".  SEXIST
RANTING ALERT!
-- 
David Garvin
Oromocto, NB
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!"

THis certainly is an incredible collection of crap.  It would appear
to me to be a conversation between two people who don't, and refuse to
try to, understand what each other are saying. 

Not that either one is in possession of any signifcant amount of
intelligence, but a lot of ability to rant and spew crap.

Why is it that most newsgroups turn into a lot of stupid whining?

On Wed, 29 May 2002 01:32:01 GMT, "mers-el-kebir" <no@email.com>
wrote:

>
>
>> I read that whores in Argentina invented the tango, that "the tango
>> was denounced by Argentina's polite society," and that they were "the
>> only women bold enough--and sufficiently comfortable with their own
>> sexuality--to dance it." Don't have the source at hand.
>
>Do you dance the tango Barbara ???
>
>
>

Barbara Amero wrote:

> 
> I really don't know if Christ did that or what you judge to be
> whoring.  
Then don't make reference to something if you don't care about it.

> 
> Please explain what you mean.
> 
> I am not familiar with some of the terms you have been using. Please
> define the following terms that you have used to date with regard to
> this issue: whore, whored, whoring, whorer, whoree.
To Whore: To sell one's body for money (usually for sexual purposes)
Whored: Past participle of "To Whore".
Whoring: The act one commits when one Whores
Whorer: One who whores themselves (Also 'whore')
Whoree: One who uses the services of a whorer.
> 
> Oh, and in the situation you described, with regard to the army guy's
> wife, who was the whore and who was whored, or were they both whores
> and whored, and who was the 'whorer' and who was the 'whoree'?
> 
> > > How do you rationalize your claim that you call men fags and queers
> > > to 'degrade' them and then say such is not random or all-encompassing?
> > > How is such not all-encompassing? How are the men you call fags and
> > > queers 'degraded' by being called fags and queers?
> 
> > How IS it all-encompassing?
> 
> I'd rather you answer the question I asked, how is such (it) not
> all-encompassing?
Because, bone-head, when I call someone a name, I am talking about an
individual.
> 
> > Narf!
> 
> I'm not familiar with that, whatever it is ... is it 'military talk'?
"they're Pinky, Pinky and the Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain"
http://pinky-and-the-brain.iscool.net/





-- 
David Garvin
Oromocto, NB
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!"