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On May 4, 11:42 am, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
He's baaack..! Interesting related ditty here-
http://discovermagazine.com/2009/may/01-the-biocentric-universe-life-creates-time-space-cosmos

How did S. D. Rodrian find alt.astronomy?

This is not good.

Double-A

On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
> Atheism and Evidence
>
> The problem with the realist/superstitious
> controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> one of a political power-struggle over who
> will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
>   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
>   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
>   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
>   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
>   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> plus more Sun, et al."
>
> The problem here is self-evident then:
>
>   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
>   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
>   only upside here is that maybe he/she
>   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> function--which is to solve problems, to
> overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> problems in the world which no human brain
> will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> and complex (problems) too.]
>
> So I wonder what might result from the
> human brain not being able to overcome
> all those unresolvable problems which
> God now resolves so easily via a simple
> transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> I often tell people how "I know there is
> no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> But then we get around to what's going on in
> his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> green light ... on a morning when they are very
> late for a very important appointment ...
>
> And then they know what I'm talking about:
> io
>   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
>   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
>   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
>  wh
> God is a very neat invention of the human brain.


God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.

On May 4, 1:52 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:
> How did S. D. Rodrian find alt.astronomy?
>
> This is not good.
>
SDR made a grand and splashy entry here 01 Jan. 2000 with his bequest
to the new millenium and was a prolific poster for a few years, then
dwindled off to just an occasional 'hit' once in a while.

On May 4, 1:55 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Atheism and Evidence
>
> > The problem with the realist/superstitious
> > controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> > faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> > one of a political power-struggle over who
> > will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> > IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> > one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> > to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
> >   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
> >   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
> >   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
> >   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
> >   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> > The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> > In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> > to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> > Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> > is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> > the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> > nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> > not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> > plus more Sun, et al."
>
> > The problem here is self-evident then:
>
> >   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
> >   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
> >   only upside here is that maybe he/she
> >   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> > What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> > Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> > Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> > And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> > My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> > function--which is to solve problems, to
> > overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> > problems in the world which no human brain
> > will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> > and complex (problems) too.]
>
> > So I wonder what might result from the
> > human brain not being able to overcome
> > all those unresolvable problems which
> > God now resolves so easily via a simple
> > transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> > I often tell people how "I know there is
> > no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> > me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> > (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> > since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> > Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> > swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> > But then we get around to what's going on in
> > his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> > green light ... on a morning when they are very
> > late for a very important appointment ...
>
> > And then they know what I'm talking about:
> > io
> >   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
> >   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
> >   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
> >  wh
> > God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
>
> God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
> intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
> we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
> atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
> you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
> the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
> AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
> incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
> depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
> to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
> person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
> believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
> because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
> is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
> avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
> day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
> it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
> bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
> the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
> personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
> we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
> it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
> what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.

I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
recently from Venus).

 ~ BG

On May 4, 11:42 am, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
> Atheism and Evidence
>
> The problem with the realist/superstitious
> controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> one of a political power-struggle over who
> will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
>   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
>   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
>   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
>   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
>   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> plus more Sun, et al."
>
> The problem here is self-evident then:
>
>   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
>   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
>   only upside here is that maybe he/she
>   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> function--which is to solve problems, to
> overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> problems in the world which no human brain
> will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> and complex (problems) too.]
>
> So I wonder what might result from the
> human brain not being able to overcome
> all those unresolvable problems which
> God now resolves so easily via a simple
> transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> I often tell people how "I know there is
> no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> But then we get around to what's going on in
> his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> green light ... on a morning when they are very
> late for a very important appointment ...
>
> And then they know what I'm talking about:
>
>   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
>   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
>   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
>
> God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
> It's when morons are allowed to define God
> that we get into all sorts of trouble with God
> (especially if when we allow psychopaths like
> Mohammed to define God, then blood hell).
>
> S D Rodrianhttp://poems.sdrodrian.comhttp://physics.sdrodrian.comhttp://MP3s.sdrodrian.com
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
> .

Here in Usenet/newsgroups (aka Google/NOVA Groups), pretend-Atheism is
universal.

 ~ BG

On May 4, 2:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

 At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came
into
> our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> recently from Venus).
>
>  ~ BG

The surface temperature of which averages about 464 °C (867°F). alters
very little between the night and day sides of planet and, for that
reason, Venus should be considered quite sterile

On May 4, 4:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 1:55 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
> > > Atheism and Evidence
>
> > > The problem with the realist/superstitious
> > > controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> > > faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> > > one of a political power-struggle over who
> > > will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> > > IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> > > one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> > > to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
> > >   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
> > >   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
> > >   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
> > >   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
> > >   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> > > The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> > > In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> > > to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> > > Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> > > is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> > > the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> > > nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> > > not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> > > plus more Sun, et al."
>
> > > The problem here is self-evident then:
>
> > >   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
> > >   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
> > >   only upside here is that maybe he/she
> > >   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> > > What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> > > Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> > > Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> > > And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> > > My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> > > function--which is to solve problems, to
> > > overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> > > problems in the world which no human brain
> > > will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> > > and complex (problems) too.]
>
> > > So I wonder what might result from the
> > > human brain not being able to overcome
> > > all those unresolvable problems which
> > > God now resolves so easily via a simple
> > > transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> > > I often tell people how "I know there is
> > > no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> > > me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> > > (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> > > since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> > > Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> > > swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> > > But then we get around to what's going on in
> > > his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> > > green light ... on a morning when they are very
> > > late for a very important appointment ...
>
> > > And then they know what I'm talking about:
> > > io
> > >   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
> > >   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
> > >   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
> > >  wh
> > > God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
>
> > God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
> > intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
> > we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
> > atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
> > you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
> > the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
> > AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
> > incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
> > depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
> > to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
> > person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
> > believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
> > because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
> > is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
> > avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
> > day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
> > it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
> > bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
> > the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
> > personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
> > we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
> > it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
> > what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.
>
> I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
> At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
> our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> recently from Venus).
>
>  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So then there is an Intelligent source for first life which can only
come from personal Intelligent Beings ?   Where did the Intelligent
Beings come from ?

On May 4, 5:26 pm, oldcoot7...@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 4, 1:52 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:> How did S. D. Rodrian find alt.astronomy?
>
> > This is not good.
>
> SDR made a grand and splashy entry here 01 Jan. 2000 with his bequest
> to the new millenium and was a prolific poster for a few years, then
> dwindled off to just an occasional 'hit' once in a while.

just google "sdrodrian" and there I am!

***************************

On May 5, 9:22 am, ZerkonXXXX <Z...@erkonx.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 04 May 2009 11:43:44 -0700, sdrodrian wrote:
> > (especially if when we allow psychopaths
> > like Mohammed to define God,
> > then blood hell).
>
> you know him enough to say this?

Yes, of course:

http://islamisbad.com/islamicterrorism.html

> Shall we ripe through the psychopathic,
> genocidal, sadistic god of moses?

No, thank you. I'd prefer to "ripe"  about the
psychopathic, genocidal, sadistic wolf
of Lit'l Red Ridinghood. If you don't mind.

> > All religions are local.
> > Only science is universal.
>
> Not exactly true.

I'm sorry: You obviously know of a religion
which is observed universally. Please tell!
Or, perhaps you know of a town or city
where the laws of science don't apply....?

> Religion: Forms are local, function is universal.

So are economies AND clothing styles, but
I'm too old now to nit-pick it out with nit-wits...

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://MP3s.sdrodrian.com

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.


.


> Science: (See religion)

RE:


Atheism and Evidence


The problem with the realist/superstitious
controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
faith debate... which is strictly speaking
one of a political power-struggle over who
will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!

  e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
  there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
  At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
  of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
  "... not yet. Still looking, though--"

The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
to a merely/purely personal testimony:

Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
plus more Sun, et al."

The problem here is self-evident then:

  If the believer KNOWS there is a god
  he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
  only upside here is that maybe he/she
  had a nice brunch with Him ...]

What both "witnesses" are saying is:
Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."

And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.

My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
function--which is to solve problems, to
overcome them. [And yet there are so many
problems in the world which no human brain
will ever solve/overcome... both simple
and complex (problems) too.]

So I wonder what might result from the
human brain not being able to overcome
all those unresolvable problems which
God now resolves so easily via a simple
transaction (prayer by another name).

I often tell people how "I know there is
no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
(Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
since THAT is the universal experience!)

Well, I have often spoken with persons who
swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
But then we get around to what's going on in
his/her brain when driving towards a distant
green light ... on a morning when they are very
late for a very important appointment ...

And then they know what I'm talking about:

  Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
  of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
  with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).

God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
It's when morons are allowed to define God
that we get into all sorts of trouble with God
(especially if/when we allow psychopaths like
Mohammed to define God, then bloody hell).

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://MP3s.sdrodrian.com

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.


.

On May 4, 7:08 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 2:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came
> into
>
> > our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> > recently from Venus).
>
> >  ~ BG
>
> The surface temperature of which averages about 464 °C (867°F). alters
> very little between the night and day sides of planet and, for that
> reason, Venus should be considered quite sterile

It's actually kind of like a reverse hot water tank, whereas instead
of being hot on top and yet always cold (near room temperature) on the
bottom, it's exactly the opposite.  Go figure.

At pressure, < 811 K is technically survivable (though obviously not
in the nude), and yet nowhere other than within active volcanoes and
gas vents, of which the geothermally made toasty planet of Venus seems
to have way more than it's fair share of, is the Venus surface
offering much greater than 735 K.

Are you having problems with the regular laws of physics as well as
with your tunnel vision and attached closed mindset?

 ~ BG

On May 5, 7:00 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 4:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 1:55 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
> > > > Atheism and Evidence
>
> > > > The problem with the realist/superstitious
> > > > controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> > > > faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> > > > one of a political power-struggle over who
> > > > will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> > > > IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> > > > one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
> > > >   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
> > > >   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
> > > >   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
> > > >   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
> > > >   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> > > > The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> > > > In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> > > > Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> > > > is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> > > > the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> > > > nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> > > > not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> > > > plus more Sun, et al."
>
> > > > The problem here is self-evident then:
>
> > > >   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
> > > >   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
> > > >   only upside here is that maybe he/she
> > > >   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> > > > What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> > > > Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> > > > Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> > > > And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> > > > My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> > > > function--which is to solve problems, to
> > > > overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> > > > problems in the world which no human brain
> > > > will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> > > > and complex (problems) too.]
>
> > > > So I wonder what might result from the
> > > > human brain not being able to overcome
> > > > all those unresolvable problems which
> > > > God now resolves so easily via a simple
> > > > transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> > > > I often tell people how "I know there is
> > > > no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> > > > me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> > > > (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> > > > since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> > > > Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> > > > swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> > > > But then we get around to what's going on in
> > > > his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> > > > green light ... on a morning when they are very
> > > > late for a very important appointment ...
>
> > > > And then they know what I'm talking about:
> > > > io
> > > >   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
> > > >   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
> > > >   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
> > > >  wh
> > > > God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
>
> > > God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
> > > intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
> > > we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
> > > atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
> > > you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
> > > the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
> > > AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
> > > incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
> > > depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
> > > to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
> > > person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
> > > believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
> > > because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
> > > is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
> > > avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
> > > day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
> > > it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
> > > bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
> > > the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
> > > personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
> > > we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
> > > it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
> > > what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.
>
> > I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
> > At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
> > our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> > recently from Venus).
>
> >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> So then there is an Intelligent source for first life which can only
> come from personal Intelligent Beings ?   Where did the Intelligent
> Beings come from ?

Obviously not from Eden/Earth, especially where pretend-Atheism is by
far the largest faith-based cartel/cabal around.

btw,  why do ETs have to look anything like us?

 ~ BG

On May 5, 11:31 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 7:00 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 4:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 1:55 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
> > > > > Atheism and Evidence
>
> > > > > The problem with the realist/superstitious
> > > > > controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> > > > > faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> > > > > one of a political power-struggle over who
> > > > > will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> > > > > IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> > > > > one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
> > > > >   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
> > > > >   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
> > > > >   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
> > > > >   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
> > > > >   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> > > > > The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> > > > > In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> > > > > Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> > > > > is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> > > > > the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> > > > > nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> > > > > not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> > > > > plus more Sun, et al."
>
> > > > > The problem here is self-evident then:
>
> > > > >   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
> > > > >   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
> > > > >   only upside here is that maybe he/she
> > > > >   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> > > > > What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> > > > > Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> > > > > Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> > > > > And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> > > > > My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> > > > > function--which is to solve problems, to
> > > > > overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> > > > > problems in the world which no human brain
> > > > > will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> > > > > and complex (problems) too.]
>
> > > > > So I wonder what might result from the
> > > > > human brain not being able to overcome
> > > > > all those unresolvable problems which
> > > > > God now resolves so easily via a simple
> > > > > transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> > > > > I often tell people how "I know there is
> > > > > no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> > > > > me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> > > > > (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> > > > > since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> > > > > Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> > > > > swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> > > > > But then we get around to what's going on in
> > > > > his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> > > > > green light ... on a morning when they are very
> > > > > late for a very important appointment ...
>
> > > > > And then they know what I'm talking about:
> > > > > io
> > > > >   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
> > > > >   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
> > > > >   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
> > > > >  wh
> > > > > God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
>
> > > > God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
> > > > intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
> > > > we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
> > > > atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
> > > > you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
> > > > the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
> > > > AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
> > > > incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
> > > > depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
> > > > to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
> > > > person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
> > > > believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
> > > > because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
> > > > is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
> > > > avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
> > > > day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
> > > > it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
> > > > bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
> > > > the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
> > > > personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
> > > > we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
> > > > it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
> > > > what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.
>
> > > I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
> > > At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
> > > our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> > > recently from Venus).
>
> > >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > So then there is an Intelligent source for first life which can only
> > come from personal Intelligent Beings ?   Where did the Intelligent
> > Beings come from ?
>
> Obviously not from Eden/Earth, especially where pretend-Atheism is by
> far the largest faith-based cartel/cabal around.
>
> btw,  why do ETs have to look anything like us?
>
>  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Can you elaborate on the philosophy of pretend-atheism that you refer
to please ?    Thanks.

On May 5, 10:46 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 11:31 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 7:00 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 4:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 4, 1:55 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > Atheism and Evidence
>
> > > > > > The problem with the realist/superstitious
> > > > > > controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> > > > > > faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> > > > > > one of a political power-struggle over who
> > > > > > will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> > > > > > IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> > > > > > one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
> > > > > >   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
> > > > > >   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
> > > > > >   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
> > > > > >   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
> > > > > >   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> > > > > > The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> > > > > > In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> > > > > > Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> > > > > > is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> > > > > > the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> > > > > > nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> > > > > > not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> > > > > > plus more Sun, et al."
>
> > > > > > The problem here is self-evident then:
>
> > > > > >   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
> > > > > >   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
> > > > > >   only upside here is that maybe he/she
> > > > > >   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> > > > > > What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> > > > > > Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> > > > > > Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> > > > > > And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> > > > > > My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> > > > > > function--which is to solve problems, to
> > > > > > overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> > > > > > problems in the world which no human brain
> > > > > > will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> > > > > > and complex (problems) too.]
>
> > > > > > So I wonder what might result from the
> > > > > > human brain not being able to overcome
> > > > > > all those unresolvable problems which
> > > > > > God now resolves so easily via a simple
> > > > > > transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> > > > > > I often tell people how "I know there is
> > > > > > no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> > > > > > me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> > > > > > (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> > > > > > since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> > > > > > Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> > > > > > swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> > > > > > But then we get around to what's going on in
> > > > > > his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> > > > > > green light ... on a morning when they are very
> > > > > > late for a very important appointment ...
>
> > > > > > And then they know what I'm talking about:
> > > > > > io
> > > > > >   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
> > > > > >   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
> > > > > >   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
> > > > > >  wh
> > > > > > God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
>
> > > > > God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
> > > > > intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
> > > > > we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
> > > > > atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
> > > > > you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
> > > > > the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
> > > > > AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
> > > > > incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
> > > > > depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
> > > > > to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
> > > > > person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
> > > > > believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
> > > > > because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
> > > > > is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
> > > > > avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
> > > > > day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
> > > > > it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
> > > > > bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
> > > > > the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
> > > > > personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
> > > > > we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
> > > > > it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
> > > > > what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.
>
> > > > I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
> > > > At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
> > > > our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> > > > recently from Venus).
>
> > > >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > So then there is an Intelligent source for first life which can only
> > > come from personal Intelligent Beings ?   Where did the Intelligent
> > > Beings come from ?
>
> > Obviously not from Eden/Earth, especially where pretend-Atheism is by
> > far the largest faith-based cartel/cabal around.
>
> > btw,  why do ETs have to look anything like us?
>
> >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Can you elaborate on the philosophy of pretend-atheism that you refer
> to please ?    Thanks.

Certainly I can, as having already done so a good thousand times.

Are you new to Usenet/newsgroups, and unable to search for much of
anything?

Do you know and/or appreciate what the common word "pretend" means?

What's your best interpretation of what folks are doing when
pretending?

How about the word "obfuscation".  Does that one ring any bells?

I suppose using the common word "liar" and/or the phrase liar, liar,
pants on fire(LLPOF) isn't quite good enough for these pretend-
Atheists.  How about using "bipolar politician" or "bipolar faith-
based mindset" as another way of expressing how most folks here in
Usenet/newsgroups act or react in one way or another, when having told
us they have and/or represent the exact opposite mindset.

Do I also have to reexplain what a brown-nosed clown is?

How about those pesky Zionist Nazis? (or is that off limits?)

 ~ BG

On May 5, 9:27 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 7:08 pm, Ken <flakey...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 4, 2:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came
> > into
>
> > > our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> > > recently from Venus).
>
> > >  ~ BG
>
> > The surface temperature of which averages about 464 °C (867°F). alters
> > very little between the night and day sides of planet and, for that
> > reason, Venus should be considered quite sterile
>
> It's actually kind of like a reverse hot water tank, whereas instead
> of being hot on top and yet always cold (near room temperature) on the
> bottom, it's exactly the opposite.  Go figure.
>
> At pressure, < 811 K is technically survivable (though obviously not
> in the nude), and yet nowhere other than within active volcanoes and
> gas vents, of which the geothermally made toasty planet of Venus seems
> to have way more than it's fair share of, is the Venus surface
> offering much greater than 735 K.
>
> Are you having problems with the regular laws of physics as well as
> with your tunnel vision and attached closed mindset?
>
>  ~ BG

Not a bit, but you seem to have a problem with biology..not to mention
common sense

On May 5, 1:05 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 10:46 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 11:31 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 5, 7:00 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 4, 4:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 4, 1:55 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Atheism and Evidence
>
> > > > > > > The problem with the realist/superstitious
> > > > > > > controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> > > > > > > faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> > > > > > > one of a political power-struggle over who
> > > > > > > will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> > > > > > > IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> > > > > > > one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> > > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
> > > > > > >   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
> > > > > > >   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
> > > > > > >   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
> > > > > > >   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
> > > > > > >   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> > > > > > > The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> > > > > > > In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> > > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> > > > > > > Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> > > > > > > is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> > > > > > > the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> > > > > > > nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> > > > > > > not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> > > > > > > plus more Sun, et al."
>
> > > > > > > The problem here is self-evident then:
>
> > > > > > >   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
> > > > > > >   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
> > > > > > >   only upside here is that maybe he/she
> > > > > > >   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> > > > > > > What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> > > > > > > Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> > > > > > > Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> > > > > > > And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> > > > > > > My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> > > > > > > function--which is to solve problems, to
> > > > > > > overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> > > > > > > problems in the world which no human brain
> > > > > > > will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> > > > > > > and complex (problems) too.]
>
> > > > > > > So I wonder what might result from the
> > > > > > > human brain not being able to overcome
> > > > > > > all those unresolvable problems which
> > > > > > > God now resolves so easily via a simple
> > > > > > > transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> > > > > > > I often tell people how "I know there is
> > > > > > > no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> > > > > > > me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> > > > > > > (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> > > > > > > since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> > > > > > > Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> > > > > > > swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> > > > > > > But then we get around to what's going on in
> > > > > > > his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> > > > > > > green light ... on a morning when they are very
> > > > > > > late for a very important appointment ...
>
> > > > > > > And then they know what I'm talking about:
> > > > > > > io
> > > > > > >   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
> > > > > > >   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
> > > > > > >   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
> > > > > > >  wh
> > > > > > > God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
>
> > > > > > God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
> > > > > > intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
> > > > > > we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
> > > > > > atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
> > > > > > you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
> > > > > > the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
> > > > > > AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
> > > > > > incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
> > > > > > depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
> > > > > > to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
> > > > > > person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
> > > > > > believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
> > > > > > because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
> > > > > > is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
> > > > > > avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
> > > > > > day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
> > > > > > it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
> > > > > > bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
> > > > > > the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
> > > > > > personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
> > > > > > we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
> > > > > > it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
> > > > > > what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.
>
> > > > > I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
> > > > > At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
> > > > > our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> > > > > recently from Venus).
>
> > > > >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > So then there is an Intelligent source for first life which can only
> > > > come from personal Intelligent Beings ?   Where did the Intelligent
> > > > Beings come from ?
>
> > > Obviously not from Eden/Earth, especially where pretend-Atheism is by
> > > far the largest faith-based cartel/cabal around.
>
> > > btw,  why do ETs have to look anything like us?
>
> > >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Can you elaborate on the philosophy of pretend-atheism that you refer
> > to please ?    Thanks.
>
> Certainly I can, as having already done so a good thousand times.
>
> Are you new to Usenet/newsgroups, and unable to search for much of
> anything?
>
> Do you know and/or appreciate what the common word "pretend" means?
>
> What's your best interpretation of what folks are doing when
> pretending?
>
> How about the word "obfuscation".  Does that one ring any bells?
>
> I suppose using the common word "liar" and/or the phrase liar, liar,
> pants on fire(LLPOF) isn't quite good enough for these pretend-
> Atheists.  How about using "bipolar politician" or "bipolar faith-
> based mindset" as another way of expressing how most folks here in
> Usenet/newsgroups act or react in one way or another, when having told
> us they have and/or represent the exact opposite mindset.
>
> Do I also have to reexplain what a brown-nosed clown is?
>
> How about those pesky Zionist Nazis? (or is that off limits?)
>
>  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What then do you suppose their personal ulterior motive(s)  might be
for being willful pretend-atheists ?  Thank you.

On May 5, 1:58 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 1:05 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 10:46 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 5, 11:31 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 5, 7:00 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 4, 4:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 4, 1:55 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Atheism and Evidence
>
> > > > > > > > The problem with the realist/superstitious
> > > > > > > > controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> > > > > > > > faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> > > > > > > > one of a political power-struggle over who
> > > > > > > > will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> > > > > > > > IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> > > > > > > > one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> > > > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
> > > > > > > >   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
> > > > > > > >   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
> > > > > > > >   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
> > > > > > > >   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
> > > > > > > >   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> > > > > > > > The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> > > > > > > > In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> > > > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> > > > > > > > Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> > > > > > > > is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> > > > > > > > the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> > > > > > > > nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> > > > > > > > not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> > > > > > > > plus more Sun, et al."
>
> > > > > > > > The problem here is self-evident then:
>
> > > > > > > >   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
> > > > > > > >   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
> > > > > > > >   only upside here is that maybe he/she
> > > > > > > >   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> > > > > > > > What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> > > > > > > > Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> > > > > > > > Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> > > > > > > > And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> > > > > > > > My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> > > > > > > > function--which is to solve problems, to
> > > > > > > > overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> > > > > > > > problems in the world which no human brain
> > > > > > > > will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> > > > > > > > and complex (problems) too.]
>
> > > > > > > > So I wonder what might result from the
> > > > > > > > human brain not being able to overcome
> > > > > > > > all those unresolvable problems which
> > > > > > > > God now resolves so easily via a simple
> > > > > > > > transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> > > > > > > > I often tell people how "I know there is
> > > > > > > > no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> > > > > > > > me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> > > > > > > > (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> > > > > > > > since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> > > > > > > > Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> > > > > > > > swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> > > > > > > > But then we get around to what's going on in
> > > > > > > > his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> > > > > > > > green light ... on a morning when they are very
> > > > > > > > late for a very important appointment ...
>
> > > > > > > > And then they know what I'm talking about:
> > > > > > > > io
> > > > > > > >   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
> > > > > > > >   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
> > > > > > > >   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
> > > > > > > >  wh
> > > > > > > > God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
>
> > > > > > > God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
> > > > > > > intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
> > > > > > > we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
> > > > > > > atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
> > > > > > > you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
> > > > > > > the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
> > > > > > > AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
> > > > > > > incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
> > > > > > > depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
> > > > > > > to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
> > > > > > > person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
> > > > > > > believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
> > > > > > > because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
> > > > > > > is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
> > > > > > > avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
> > > > > > > day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
> > > > > > > it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
> > > > > > > bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
> > > > > > > the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
> > > > > > > personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
> > > > > > > we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
> > > > > > > it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
> > > > > > > what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.
>
> > > > > > I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
> > > > > > At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
> > > > > > our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> > > > > > recently from Venus).
>
> > > > > >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > So then there is an Intelligent source for first life which can only
> > > > > come from personal Intelligent Beings ?   Where did the Intelligent
> > > > > Beings come from ?
>
> > > > Obviously not from Eden/Earth, especially where pretend-Atheism is by
> > > > far the largest faith-based cartel/cabal around.
>
> > > > btw,  why do ETs have to look anything like us?
>
> > > >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Can you elaborate on the philosophy of pretend-atheism that you refer
> > > to please ?    Thanks.
>
> > Certainly I can, as having already done so a good thousand times.
>
> > Are you new to Usenet/newsgroups, and unable to search for much of
> > anything?
>
> > Do you know and/or appreciate what the common word "pretend" means?
>
> > What's your best interpretation of what folks are doing when
> > pretending?
>
> > How about the word "obfuscation".  Does that one ring any bells?
>
> > I suppose using the common word "liar" and/or the phrase liar, liar,
> > pants on fire(LLPOF) isn't quite good enough for these pretend-
> > Atheists.  How about using "bipolar politician" or "bipolar faith-
> > based mindset" as another way of expressing how most folks here in
> > Usenet/newsgroups act or react in one way or another, when having told
> > us they have and/or represent the exact opposite mindset.
>
> > Do I also have to reexplain what a brown-nosed clown is?
>
> > How about those pesky Zionist Nazis? (or is that off limits?)
>
> >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What then do you suppose their personal ulterior motive(s)  might be
> for being willful pretend-atheists ?  Thank you.

Whatever makes them richer and more powerful.  Why don't you ask those
devout Zionist Rothschilds, and the same goes for asking our born-
again GW Bush and Dick Cheney how they managed to get so gosh darn
wealthy, and still remain powerful in spite of their being out of
office.  Their Skull and Bones cult/cabal does after all look after
their own kind.

 ~ BG

On May 5, 4:25 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 1:58 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 1:05 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 5, 10:46 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 5, 11:31 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 5, 7:00 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 4, 4:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 4, 1:55 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Atheism and Evidence
>
> > > > > > > > > The problem with the realist/superstitious
> > > > > > > > > controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> > > > > > > > > faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> > > > > > > > > one of a political power-struggle over who
> > > > > > > > > will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> > > > > > > > > IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> > > > > > > > > one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> > > > > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
> > > > > > > > >   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
> > > > > > > > >   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
> > > > > > > > >   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
> > > > > > > > >   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
> > > > > > > > >   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> > > > > > > > > The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> > > > > > > > > In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> > > > > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> > > > > > > > > Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> > > > > > > > > is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> > > > > > > > > the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> > > > > > > > > nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> > > > > > > > > not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> > > > > > > > > plus more Sun, et al."
>
> > > > > > > > > The problem here is self-evident then:
>
> > > > > > > > >   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
> > > > > > > > >   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
> > > > > > > > >   only upside here is that maybe he/she
> > > > > > > > >   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> > > > > > > > > What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> > > > > > > > > Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> > > > > > > > > Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> > > > > > > > > And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> > > > > > > > > My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> > > > > > > > > function--which is to solve problems, to
> > > > > > > > > overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> > > > > > > > > problems in the world which no human brain
> > > > > > > > > will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> > > > > > > > > and complex (problems) too.]
>
> > > > > > > > > So I wonder what might result from the
> > > > > > > > > human brain not being able to overcome
> > > > > > > > > all those unresolvable problems which
> > > > > > > > > God now resolves so easily via a simple
> > > > > > > > > transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> > > > > > > > > I often tell people how "I know there is
> > > > > > > > > no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> > > > > > > > > me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> > > > > > > > > (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> > > > > > > > > since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> > > > > > > > > Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> > > > > > > > > swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> > > > > > > > > But then we get around to what's going on in
> > > > > > > > > his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> > > > > > > > > green light ... on a morning when they are very
> > > > > > > > > late for a very important appointment ...
>
> > > > > > > > > And then they know what I'm talking about:
> > > > > > > > > io
> > > > > > > > >   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
> > > > > > > > >   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
> > > > > > > > >   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
> > > > > > > > >  wh
> > > > > > > > > God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
>
> > > > > > > > God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
> > > > > > > > intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
> > > > > > > > we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
> > > > > > > > atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
> > > > > > > > you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
> > > > > > > > the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
> > > > > > > > AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
> > > > > > > > incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
> > > > > > > > depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
> > > > > > > > to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
> > > > > > > > person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
> > > > > > > > believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
> > > > > > > > because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
> > > > > > > > is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
> > > > > > > > avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
> > > > > > > > day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
> > > > > > > > it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
> > > > > > > > bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
> > > > > > > > the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
> > > > > > > > personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
> > > > > > > > we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
> > > > > > > > it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
> > > > > > > > what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.
>
> > > > > > > I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
> > > > > > > At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
> > > > > > > our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> > > > > > > recently from Venus).
>
> > > > > > >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > So then there is an Intelligent source for first life which can only
> > > > > > come from personal Intelligent Beings ?   Where did the Intelligent
> > > > > > Beings come from ?
>
> > > > > Obviously not from Eden/Earth, especially where pretend-Atheism is by
> > > > > far the largest faith-based cartel/cabal around.
>
> > > > > btw,  why do ETs have to look anything like us?
>
> > > > >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Can you elaborate on the philosophy of pretend-atheism that you refer
> > > > to please ?    Thanks.
>
> > > Certainly I can, as having already done so a good thousand times.
>
> > > Are you new to Usenet/newsgroups, and unable to search for much of
> > > anything?
>
> > > Do you know and/or appreciate what the common word "pretend" means?
>
> > > What's your best interpretation of what folks are doing when
> > > pretending?
>
> > > How about the word "obfuscation".  Does that one ring any bells?
>
> > > I suppose using the common word "liar" and/or the phrase liar, liar,
> > > pants on fire(LLPOF) isn't quite good enough for these pretend-
> > > Atheists.  How about using "bipolar politician" or "bipolar faith-
> > > based mindset" as another way of expressing how most folks here in
> > > Usenet/newsgroups act or react in one way or another, when having told
> > > us they have and/or represent the exact opposite mindset.
>
> > > Do I also have to reexplain what a brown-nosed clown is?
>
> > > How about those pesky Zionist Nazis? (or is that off limits?)
>
> > >  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > What then do you suppose their personal ulterior motive(s)  might be
> > for being willful pretend-atheists ?  Thank you.
>
> Whatever makes them richer and more powerful.  Why don't you ask those
> devout Zionist Rothschilds, and the same goes for asking our born-
> again GW Bush and Dick Cheney how they managed to get so gosh darn
> wealthy, and still remain powerful in spite of their being out of
> office.  Their Skull and Bones cult/cabal does after all look after
> their own kind.
>
>  ~ BG- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Im not talking from a Political standpoint, but,  im referring to an
common / every-day pretend atheist person .  Can u comment on that
variety ?

On May 6, 5:05 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 5, 4:25 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 1:58 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 5, 1:05 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 5, 10:46 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 5, 11:31 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 5, 7:00 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 4, 4:48 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On May 4, 1:55 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 4, 1:42 pm, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Atheism and Evidence
>
> > > > > > > > > > The problem with the realist/superstitious
> > > > > > > > > > controversy (as opposed to the secularism/
> > > > > > > > > > faith debate... which is strictly speaking
> > > > > > > > > > one of a political power-struggle over who
> > > > > > > > > > will direct society), is that THERE REALLY
> > > > > > > > > > IS NO GOD. Therefore a statement like the
> > > > > > > > > > one above ["there is no god"] always resolves
> > > > > > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony!!!
>
> > > > > > > > > >   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
> > > > > > > > > >   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
> > > > > > > > > >   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
> > > > > > > > > >   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
> > > > > > > > > >   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> > > > > > > > > > The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> > > > > > > > > > In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> > > > > > > > > > to a merely/purely personal testimony:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Ask such a believer how he/she KNOWS there
> > > > > > > > > > is a god and they're likely to tell you "because
> > > > > > > > > > the flowers bloom in the spring" or some such
> > > > > > > > > > nonsense. Well, "No. That's manure: Manure,
> > > > > > > > > > not god, is why the flowers bloom in the spring,
> > > > > > > > > > plus more Sun, et al."
>
> > > > > > > > > > The problem here is self-evident then:
>
> > > > > > > > > >   If the believer KNOWS there is a god
> > > > > > > > > >   he/she hath killed FAITH (in god). [The
> > > > > > > > > >   only upside here is that maybe he/she
> > > > > > > > > >   had a nice brunch with Him ...]
>
> > > > > > > > > > What both "witnesses" are saying is:
> > > > > > > > > > Believer: "I KNOW there is a god!"
> > > > > > > > > > Atheist: "I KNOW there is no god."
>
> > > > > > > > > > And both testimonies are equivalent: lies.
>
> > > > > > > > > > My advice is to study the brain's ultimate
> > > > > > > > > > function--which is to solve problems, to
> > > > > > > > > > overcome them. [And yet there are so many
> > > > > > > > > > problems in the world which no human brain
> > > > > > > > > > will ever solve/overcome... both simple
> > > > > > > > > > and complex (problems) too.]
>
> > > > > > > > > > So I wonder what might result from the
> > > > > > > > > > human brain not being able to overcome
> > > > > > > > > > all those unresolvable problems which
> > > > > > > > > > God now resolves so easily via a simple
> > > > > > > > > > transaction (prayer by another name).
>
> > > > > > > > > > I often tell people how "I know there is
> > > > > > > > > > no god but I still pray to him" and they tell
> > > > > > > > > > me they have no idea what I'm talking about.
> > > > > > > > > > (Which is incomprehensible to me, of course,
> > > > > > > > > > since THAT is the universal experience!)
>
> > > > > > > > > > Well, I have often spoken with persons who
> > > > > > > > > > swear to me (by God) they are truly atheists.
> > > > > > > > > > But then we get around to what's going on in
> > > > > > > > > > his/her brain when driving towards a distant
> > > > > > > > > > green light ... on a morning when they are very
> > > > > > > > > > late for a very important appointment ...
>
> > > > > > > > > > And then they know what I'm talking about:
> > > > > > > > > > io
> > > > > > > > > >   Only a "robot" can be a true atheist--the rest
> > > > > > > > > >   of us are forever bound to a personal dialogue
> > > > > > > > > >   with with our universal alter-ego (GOD).
> > > > > > > > > >  wh
> > > > > > > > > > God is a very neat invention of the human brain.
>
> > > > > > > > > God is no invention ;  there isnt a person on earth who doesnt know ,
> > > > > > > > > intrinsically, that a personal Designer/Creator is necessary for what
> > > > > > > > > we have before us (and inside us for that matter) .  If you as 'an
> > > > > > > > > atheist'  believe that a personal Designer/Creator isnt necessary then
> > > > > > > > > you have to resort to the absolute absurd desperate philosophy that
> > > > > > > > > the scientifically verified 250+  Physics Constants of our Universe
> > > > > > > > > AKA: Anthropics which are so meticulously finetuned it is near
> > > > > > > > > incomprehensible , which are ALL needed SIMULTANEOUSLY (since each
> > > > > > > > > depends on one another for their own sustainence)  ... just happened
> > > > > > > > > to come along by purely natural and accidental means . There isnt one
> > > > > > > > > person who calls himself 'an atheist'  who can force himself to really
> > > > > > > > > believe this because it just requires too much faith in the absurd
> > > > > > > > > because we all know what constitutes a Designer .   When this dilemna
> > > > > > > > > is brought before the willful 'atheist' , his only option is to try to
> > > > > > > > > avoid the issue/take the granduer of Creation for granted day after
> > > > > > > > > day/ and-or  resort to personal attacks of the Messenger  who brought
> > > > > > > > > it to light. (if there are any replies to this post of mine, it will
> > > > > > > > > bear out what ive just asserted  ).   Ergo,  the atheist is faced with
> > > > > > > > > the age old question ... Why dont you want God to exist for you
> > > > > > > > > personally ?  . It isnt due to lack of evidence thats for sure, so,
> > > > > > > > > we can hence speculate what such reason(s) might be if you like and if
> > > > > > > > > it isnt too uncomfortable to do so .  As a former 'atheist'., thats
> > > > > > > > > what I had to come to terms with.  Regards.
>
> > > > > > > > I can buy into ET ID, because not much of anything else makes sense.
> > > > > > > > At the very least complex microbes and spores via panspermia came into
> > > > > > > > our environment, and from time to time are still arriving (most
> > > > > > > > recently from Venus).
>
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> > > > > > > So then there is an Intelligent source for first life which can only
> > > > > > > come from personal Intelligent Beings ?   Where did the Intelligent
> > > > > > > Beings come from ?
>
> > > > > > Obviously not from Eden/Earth, especially where pretend-Atheism is by
> > > > > > far the largest faith-based cartel/cabal around.
>
> > > > > > btw,  why do ETs have to look anything like us?
>
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> > > > > Can you elaborate on the philosophy of pretend-atheism that you refer
> > > > > to please ?    Thanks.
>
> > > > Certainly I can, as having already done so a good thousand times.
>
> > > > Are you new to Usenet/newsgroups, and unable to search for much of
> > > > anything?
>
> > > > Do you know and/or appreciate what the common word "pretend" means?
>
> > > > What's your best interpretation of what folks are doing when
> > > > pretending?
>
> > > > How about the word "obfuscation".  Does that one ring any bells?
>
> > > > I suppose using the common word "liar" and/or the phrase liar, liar,
> > > > pants on fire(LLPOF) isn't quite good enough for these pretend-
> > > > Atheists.  How about using "bipolar politician" or "bipolar faith-
> > > > based mindset" as another way of expressing how most folks here in
> > > > Usenet/newsgroups act or react in one way or another, when having told
> > > > us they have and/or represent the exact opposite mindset.
>
> > > > Do I also have to reexplain what a brown-nosed clown is?
>
> > > > How about those pesky Zionist Nazis? (or is that off limits?)
>
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> > > What then do you suppose their personal ulterior motive(s)  might be
> > > for being willful pretend-atheists ?  Thank you.
>
> > Whatever makes them richer and more powerful.  Why don't you ask those
> > devout Zionist Rothschilds, and the same goes for asking our born-
> > again GW Bush and Dick Cheney how they managed to get so gosh darn
> > wealthy, and still remain powerful in spite of their being out of
> > office.  Their Skull and Bones cult/cabal does after all look after
> > their own kind.
>
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> Im not talking from a Political standpoint, but,  im referring to an
> common / every-day pretend atheist person .  Can u comment on that
> variety ?

Most folks can't honestly say what they truly believe without getting
into some kind of trouble with one faith-based mindset or another, so
the play it failsafe as they go about their every-day business
claiming to be an Atheist, except their actions tell us the actual
truth of which faith and/or political policy they favor.

I can usually put together the actions of those claiming Atheism, and
quite often they seem to be those of a devout Old Testament mindset,
and otherwise nearly as insurmountably closed off as one can possibly
get.  So, these pretend Atheists types frequently obfuscate and use
denial whenever questioned as to those unusually faith-based actions
of theirs.

This pretend-Atheism also allows as much fence jumping as one likes.
I call this a bipolar mindset, because they often treat individuals
quite differently depending on the given faith-based or political
interpretation rant at hand.  In other words, they seldom if ever
stick to their guns, as they flip-flop their mindset from topic to
topic, having no intentions of ever honestly being topic positive or
constructive.  It seems their only goal in life has been to clown
everything up as much as possible, starting with their having multiple
bogus names and phony email accounts.

 ~ BG

On May 6, 5:05 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Im not talking from a Political standpoint, but,  im referring to an
> common / every-day pretend atheist person .  Can u comment on that
> variety ?

Why don't you ask Art Deco (aka rabbi Saul Levy)?

 ~ BG

"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:a6bebfc7-8525-4746-9031-0406b57a3bc0@x29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> .

>Here in Usenet/newsgroups (aka Google/NOVA Groups), pretend-Atheism is
>universal.

 Yes ma'am.

mk5000

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sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com wrote:
> [ . . . ]
>   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
>   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
>   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
>   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
>   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"
>
> The opposite, of course, is also just as true.
> In other words, "there is a god" also resolves
> to a merely/purely personal testimony:

Whether there is, or is not, a 'god' seems immaterial to me. Were there
such, it would, by its very existence, be natural, not supernatural. I
have seen no evidence to support the existence of such a being. It is not
how one obeys the man-made "Word of God", but how one lives ones life that
matters.

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"Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message 
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> sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com wrote:
>> [ . . . ]
>>   e.g. how in the heck can the atheist "KNOW"
>>   there is no god IF HE'S NEVER FOUND HIM!
>>   At worst, the atheist is doomed to an eternity
>>   of futilely looking for Him... "Found Him yet?"
>>   "... not yet. Still looking, though--"


So, by that insane bit of Jebus inspired logic, someone who doesn't
drink is a "non-alcoholic", who's diligently searching for a bottle of
booze ??

Or a slut, gawd bless them, is by that definition a "non-virgin" ??

Or a pedestrian becomes a "non-driver" ??

Or the driver becomes a "non-airline passenger" ??

I'm sure you can see by now why you brainwashed deity loving knee-
dwellers are nutzy and the Atheists are unfettered by your obsequious 
drivel.