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On 2 Jan, 19:46, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> I think this virus started on the Circle Line: "This is YOUR Circle line
> train calling at..."
>
> It's now spread to Crosscountry "Your train times" leaflet and FCC/One
> "Your guide to new gates" - leaflet for the Cambridge station
> gateification.
>

It's infected the 2008 TfL fares leaflet I picked up today: it is
called "YOUR guide to fares and tickets," all in capitals. The O is
actually a London Underground roundel.

PaulO

In message 
<57cd824c-a064-48bf-a121-5ee202eae730@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, at 
11:57:18 on Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Paul Oter <paul.oter@googlemail.com> 
remarked:
>> I think this virus started on the Circle Line: "This is YOUR Circle line
>> train calling at..."
>>
>> It's now spread to Crosscountry "Your train times" leaflet and FCC/One
>> "Your guide to new gates" - leaflet for the Cambridge station
>> gateification.
>
>It's infected the 2008 TfL fares leaflet I picked up today: it is
>called "YOUR guide to fares and tickets," all in capitals. The O is
>actually a London Underground roundel.

And later I saw a "Your Cash Machine" ATM outside a branch of M&S.
-- 
Roland Perry

On Jan 2, 7:46 pm, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> I think this virus started on the Circle Line: "This is YOUR Circle line
> train calling at..."
>
> It's now spread to Crosscountry "Your train times" leaflet and FCC/One
> "Your guide to new gates" - leaflet for the Cambridge station
> gateification.
>
> Your grumpy uk.r poster:
> --
> Roland Perry

I would say it won't get to my Northern services but that might be
tempting fate

On 2 Jan, 19:57, Paul Oter <paul.o...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 2 Jan, 19:46, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I think this virus started on the Circle Line: "This is YOUR Circle line
> > train calling at..."
>
> > It's now spread to Crosscountry "Your train times" leaflet and FCC/One
> > "Your guide to new gates" - leaflet for the Cambridge station
> > gateification.
>
> It's infected the 2008 TfL fares leaflet I picked up today: it is
> called "YOUR guide to fares and tickets," all in capitals. The O is
> actually a London Underground roundel.
>
> PaulO

The "YOUR London transport" style of wording has been around since
last year (at least) on various leaflets and publications. There was a
"YOUR Underground", "YOUR Buses" etc poster campaign - I think it was
part of a wider advertising campaign.

YOURS, Mizter T.

"Mizter T"

> The "YOUR London transport" style of wording has been around since
> last year (at least) on various leaflets and publications. There was a
> "YOUR Underground", "YOUR Buses" etc poster campaign - I think it was
> part of a wider advertising campaign.

"Well, if it's 'mine', why do I have to pay to ride on it if I already own
it?"


--
Happy New Year

Roger T.
Home of the Great Eastern Railway at:-
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/
Latitude:  48� 25' North
Longitude:  123� 21' West

> "Well, if it's 'mine', why do I have to pay to ride on it if I already own
> it?"

If it's my country, why do I have to pay to live in it (taxes) if I'm
already a citizen of it?

In message <flicfq$cjh$2@news.datemas.de>, at 10:13:15 on Thu, 3 Jan 
2008, Brian Morrison <scrapspam@fenrir.org.uk> remarked:
>The latest M&S uniform is embroidered "Your M&S", so it appears to be a
>corporate strapline. They didn't seem very amused when I asked why I had
>to pay if it were mine.

This isn't just a corporate strapline, it's an irritating, 
ungrammatical, patronising and opposite to what's actually the case, M&S 
Strapline.
-- 
Roland Perry

In message <flilj9$ndk$1@news.datemas.de>, at 12:48:42 on Thu, 3 Jan 
2008, Brian Morrison <scrapspam@fenrir.org.uk> remarked:
>>> The latest M&S uniform is embroidered "Your M&S", so it appears to be a
>>> corporate strapline. They didn't seem very amused when I asked why I had
>>> to pay if it were mine.
>>
>> This isn't just a corporate strapline, it's an irritating,
>> ungrammatical, patronising and opposite to what's actually the case, M&S
>> Strapline.
>
>Hence my question. I tried to find the store manager to ask, but had to
>make do with a couple of tired and fed up checkout staff.

It's not even as if they pretend to be a (workers or shoppers) 
cooperative.
-- 
Roland Perry

"Roger T." <rogertra@highspeedplus.com> wrote in message 
news:2bc4dc6398b5ecca842da07daf55fb0b@grapevine.islandnet.com...
>
>> The "YOUR London transport" style of wording has been around since
>> last year (at least) on various leaflets and publications. There was a
>> "YOUR Underground", "YOUR Buses" etc poster campaign - I think it was
>> part of a wider advertising campaign.
>

It's an international virus.  I first came across it in a French supermarket 
chain a couple of years ago.  Can't remember now whether it was Cora, 
Carrefour or Auchun but all the publicity flyers and advertising sheets and 
the in-store signage referred to "votre supermarch�".  It made me cringe but 
it spread rapidly to these shores because a few weeks later, the local 
branch of Tesco got the builders in and put up a lot of signs about 
improvements to "your store".

Happy New Year to all,
AG

"Brian Morrison" <scrapspam@fenrir.org.uk> wrote in message 
news:flilj9$ndk$1@news.datemas.de...

> Hence my question. I tried to find the store manager to ask, but had to
> make do with a couple of tired and fed up checkout staff.

You shouldn't have been looking for "staff", they all have "team members"
these days.

Chris

In article <qDsrXHW3dAfHFAKC@perry.co.uk>,
Roland Perry  <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>And later I saw a "Your Cash Machine" ATM outside a branch of M&S.

Dear Sir,

 You appear to have constructed a wall around my cash machine, meaning
that I am unable to retrieve it and take it home.  Please fix this
problem soonest.

 Yours faithfully,

Jonathan.

-- 
Jonathan Amery. Let faith be my shield and let joy be my steed
   #####        'Gainst the dragons of anger, the ogres of greed;
  #######__o    And let me set free, with the sword of my youth,
  #######'/     From the castle of darkness the power of truth." - Struther

In article <fliujd$2iq$1@news.datemas.de>,
 Brian Morrison <scrapspam@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

> Chris Shore wrote:
> > "Brian Morrison" <scrapspam@fenrir.org.uk> wrote in message 
> > news:flilj9$ndk$1@news.datemas.de...
> > 
> >> Hence my question. I tried to find the store manager to ask, but had to
> >> make do with a couple of tired and fed up checkout staff.
> > 
> > You shouldn't have been looking for "staff", they all have "team members"
> > these days.
> 
> No, it's usually "colleague announcement, will so-and-so please go to
> the produce department" in the various places I've been of late.
> 
> Staff is clear and concise, everyone has colleagues though so these
> announcements could easily apply to the customers.

Supermarkets seem to have 'colleagues' and restaurants 'team members', 
either way customers are alienated as they surely would prefer to deal 
with properly trained and competent 'staff' which these outfits now 
don't even appear to even pretend to supply.

In article <fliujd$2iq$1@news.datemas.de>,
Brian Morrison  <bdm@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:
>No, it's usually "colleague announcement, will so-and-so please go to
>the produce department" in the various places I've been of late.
>
>Staff is clear and concise, everyone has colleagues though so these
>announcements could easily apply to the customers.

 "Colleague announcement" isn't even English.

-- 
Jonathan Amery.          "...these were /British/ men in black,
   #####                  and they had a very British idea of who
  #######__o              the real scum of the universe were."
  #######'/                                          - Annotation Pending...

In message <cl5fj.18755$ov2.18029@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>
          "Axlegrease" <k.type@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> 
> "Roger T." <rogertra@highspeedplus.com> wrote in message 
> news:2bc4dc6398b5ecca842da07daf55fb0b@grapevine.islandnet.com...
> > 
> > > The "YOUR London transport" style of wording has been around since last
> > > year (at least) on various leaflets and publications. There was a "YOUR
> > > Underground", "YOUR Buses" etc poster campaign - I think it was part of
> > > a wider advertising campaign.
> > 
> 
> It's an international virus.  I first came across it in a French
> supermarket  chain a couple of years ago.  Can't remember now whether it
> was Cora,  Carrefour or Auchun but all the publicity flyers and advertising
> sheets and  the in-store signage referred to "votre supermarch�".  It made
> me cringe but  it spread rapidly to these shores because a few weeks later,
> the local  branch of Tesco got the builders in and put up a lot of signs
> about  improvements to "your store".
> 

Seems to be a malignant variant of the 'My' virus that's been infecting
computers and other bits of technolgy for several years.

-- 
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html>

In message <8647785b4f%Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>, at 17:30:56 on Thu, 3 
Jan 2008, Graeme Wall <Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:

>Seems to be a malignant variant of the 'My' virus that's been infecting
>computers and other bits of technolgy for several years.

My word - you're right.

I'll get your coat, sorry, my coat...
-- 
Roland Perry

Espen H. Koht wrote:
> Supermarkets seem to have 'colleagues'

Waitrose has 'Partners'

For example "All till trained partners to the checkout please" is a 
common announcement.

In article <8647785b4f%Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>, 
Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk says...
> 
> Seems to be a malignant variant of the 'My' virus that's been infecting
> computers and other bits of technolgy for several years.
> 

Isn't that also just a variant of "The People's" virus that infected 
Government and the Medya about 10 years ago and still keeps recurring 
there occassionally?

-- 
Tony

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has 
taken place" 
George Bernard Shaw

On 03/01/08 18:57, Great Eastern wrote:

> Espen H. Koht wrote:
>> Supermarkets seem to have 'colleagues'
> 
> Waitrose has 'Partners'
> 
> For example "All till trained partners to the checkout please" is a 
> common announcement.

Ah well, Waitrose is something else. In every possible way.

-- 
Paul Oldham ----------> http://the-hug.org/paul
Milton villager ------> http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/
and FAQ wiki owner ---> http://cam.misc.org.uk
"Even the prettiest shoe makes a sorry hat."

In message <13nqc12p88nfoa8@corp.supernews.com>
          Great Eastern <ger@ger.ger> wrote:

> Espen H. Koht wrote:
> > Supermarkets seem to have 'colleagues'
> 
> Waitrose has 'Partners'
> 
> For example "All till trained partners to the checkout please" is a 
> common announcement.

In tne case of Waitrose that is an accurate description.  All staff are
partners in the business.

-- 
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html>

In message <d3f1905b4f%Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>, at 22:00:21 on Thu, 3 
Jan 2008, Graeme Wall <Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> For example "All till trained partners to the checkout please" is a
>> common announcement.
>
>In tne case of Waitrose that is an accurate description.  All staff are
>partners in the business.

How do they arrange that for the minors who have Saturday jobs on the 
tills? Do the parents become partners on their behalf?
-- 
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:

> How do they arrange that for the minors who have Saturday jobs on the 
> tills? Do the parents become partners on their behalf?

It's not actually a partnership in the legal sense.

John Lewis (of which Waitrose is a part) functions much like a workers' 
co-operative, but is actually a rather unusual structure.  The staff, 
referred to as partners, are in fact employees, but the company they 
work for is owned by a trust, and the trust deeds arrange for the 
profits to be distributed to the staff, and provide for the staff to 
have a role in electing the board of the company.

(The above from memory, but I think it's roughly right.  The details are 
on their web site somewhere if you need them.)

-roy

In message <DO0xUJ2W3VfHFAfz@perry.co.uk>
          Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <d3f1905b4f%Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>, at 22:00:21 on Thu, 3 
> Jan 2008, Graeme Wall <Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
> >> For example "All till trained partners to the checkout please" is a
> >> common announcement.
> >
> >In tne case of Waitrose that is an accurate description.  All staff are
> >partners in the business.
> 
> How do they arrange that for the minors who have Saturday jobs on the 
> tills? Do the parents become partners on their behalf?

Presumably partner status doesn't apply to temps.

-- 
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html>

In message <yTdfj.26713$Hc3.20616@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>, at 23:06:06 on 
Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Roy Badami <roy@gnomon.org.uk> remarked:
>> How do they arrange that for the minors who have Saturday jobs on the 
>>tills? Do the parents become partners on their behalf?
>
>It's not actually a partnership in the legal sense.
>
>John Lewis (of which Waitrose is a part) functions much like a workers' 
>co-operative, but is actually a rather unusual structure.  The staff, 
>referred to as partners, are in fact employees, but the company they 
>work for is owned by a trust, and the trust deeds arrange for the 
>profits to be distributed to the staff, and provide for the staff to 
>have a role in electing the board of the company.
>
>(The above from memory, but I think it's roughly right.  The details 
>are on their web site somewhere if you need them.)

So the use of the word "partners" is almost entirely simply an early 
incarnation of the "colleagues" and "associates" that other shops now 
use over their tannoys. Plus they get some profit share.
-- 
Roland Perry

In message <b5a7995b4f%Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>, at 23:35:29 on Thu, 3 
Jan 2008, Graeme Wall <Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> >In tne case of Waitrose that is an accurate description.  All staff are
>> >partners in the business.
>>
>> How do they arrange that for the minors who have Saturday jobs on the
>> tills? Do the parents become partners on their behalf?
>
>Presumably partner status doesn't apply to temps.

It seems staff aren't "partners" in the business at all, just the 
beneficiaries of a generous profit-sharing bonus scheme. I don't see why 
Saturday Staff should be excluded from that, nor would I call them 
"temps". That's surely people sent round from a temp agency for a day 
when someone (more likely in the back office than the shop floor) calls 
in sick, and they need a replacement rather than letting the work pile 
up.
-- 
Roland Perry

Tony Raven wrote:
> In article <8647785b4f%Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>, 
> Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk says...
>> Seems to be a malignant variant of the 'My' virus that's been infecting
>> computers and other bits of technolgy for several years.
>>
> 
> Isn't that also just a variant of "The People's" virus that infected 
> Government and the Medya about 10 years ago and still keeps recurring 
> there occassionally?
> 

Nothing new in this world:

http://www.ww2poster.co.uk/posters/imagebank/yourbritainabramgames.htm

Apparently, when some of these posters appeared during WW2, they were 
changed by somebody to read "OUR" instead of "YOUR"....

On 4 Jan, 09:39, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <b5a7995b4f%R...@greywall.demon.co.uk>, at 23:35:29 on Thu, 3
> Jan 2008, Graeme Wall <R...@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>
> >> >In tne case of Waitrose that is an accurate description.  All staff are
> >> >partners in the business.
>
> >> How do they arrange that for the minors who have Saturday jobs on the
> >> tills? Do the parents become partners on their behalf?
>
> >Presumably partner status doesn't apply to temps.
>
> It seems staff aren't "partners" in the business at all, just the
> beneficiaries of a generous profit-sharing bonus scheme. I don't see why
> Saturday Staff should be excluded from that, nor would I call them
> "temps". That's surely people sent round from a temp agency for a day
> when someone (more likely in the back office than the shop floor) calls
> in sick, and they need a replacement rather than letting the work pile
> up.

I think it is a bit more than that. They have a system of elected
councils and committees at various levels in the organisation which
goes far beyond the token employee consultation you get in most UK
companies.

For example the "Partnership Council" has a majority of members
elected by the "partners", and has the power to dismiss the chairman
of the whole "company".

(http://www.johnlewispartnership.co.uk/Display.aspx?MasterId=dfce8e28-
e49a-4cbe-b74b-918f79be0f1c&NavigationId=584)

PaulO

In article <ehk20-3BF79D.16150503012008@nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk>,
Espen H. Koht <ehk20@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Supermarkets seem to have 'colleagues' and restaurants 'team members',

And HR departments are "investors in people". I wonder if the people
price has gone up, or down today?

Sarah Brown wrote:
> In article <ehk20-3BF79D.16150503012008@nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk>,
> Espen H. Koht <ehk20@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Supermarkets seem to have 'colleagues' and restaurants 'team members',
> 
> And HR departments are "investors in people". I wonder if the people
> price has gone up, or down today?

Are railway HR departments "investors _into_ people"?

-- 
Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

"Sarah Brown" <sarahlizzy@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote in message 
news:gm2355-v4m.ln1@narcissus.dyndns.org...
> In article <ehk20-3BF79D.16150503012008@nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk>,
> Espen H. Koht <ehk20@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>Supermarkets seem to have 'colleagues' and restaurants 'team members',
>
> And HR departments are "investors in people". I wonder if the people
> price has gone up, or down today?

And M&S put people into vests?