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On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:43:29 +0000, Chris Morriss
<crsm@oroboros.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <102bes24amc2qd3@news.supernews.com>, Peter Sammon 
><camman722@yahoo.com> writes
>>Now we've got 22,721,252 drunken' Irish who all hate the Brits.
>>
>
>Good God, there's only four and a half million of them in the whole of 
>Ireland.

Yes, and this stems from a time when "God" definitely was not good!

>
>Given that the peak of imigration into the US was only about 140 years 
>ago, what have they been doing to get to 22 Million)

Given that that amounts to about 6 generations, and the number that
started the process in the US, it is not difficult to achieve at all.
Plus the majority of migrants to the US from Ireland were Catholic,
known for large families.
>
>Can any group of people breed that fast, or are perhaps some of the US 
>'Irish' only Irish in their own fantasies?

Mr Morris, is it necessary for you to adopt such a derogatory tone
when addressing this issue? In some countries this would surely
qualify as racial villification!

Please read and comprehend the following, it might help you to
understand things, and to keep your ignorant opinions to yourself
until such time as you acquaint yourself with the facts. It might also
help a reasonable person to understand why many people of Irish
extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard.


1.  During the Irish Potato Famine, one  (1) million people died in
Ireland between 1846 - 1851.

2.  Two (2) million people emigrated from Ireland between 1845 - 1855.
These mostly went to America in the so-called "coffin ships" and most
of them at that time went to the US.

3.  This left 5 million people, with continuous emigration being a
factor in Irish life since then. 

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

But there's more. The Irish Diaspora - by many estimates > 60 million
people - mainly in the US, Britain, Canada, Australia and South
America - all either descended from emigrants, or emigrants
themselves, just as my family and I are. A closer acquaintance with
the history of the behaviour of the British in Ireland - still going
on of course - would go some way to explain why so much emigration,
but I doubt you have that acquaintance, nor I think any inclination to
find out such things.

I infer from your posting address that you are if not British then a
resident of that country, which explains for me the ignorant an
derogatory tone of your post, above.

But on the off-chance that you might be interested, please check out
the following recent work on this issue:

Coogan, Tim Pat. "Wherever Green is Worn: the Story of the Irish
Diaspora". London, Hutchinson, 2000.

It is a very good read from an excellent writer, and you will see that
it is actually published by and English house, in London.

Patric Scully