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Article #78Re: A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
From: Peter Wieck
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:19
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:19
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On Mar 8, 1:30 pm, "Karl Winkler" <karlwinkle...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Not necessarily - only that it's interesting in that the discussions > are so lopsided in favor of minutiae rather than information and > discussions most people can use. Karl: You are taking the romance out of the hobby. The OP is clearly trolling for a fight as well as stating the common perceptions dressed up in the authoritative clothing of "A psychologist's view..." But the perceptions stated are entirely anecdotal. Also typical of the species (both psychologists and trolls). _________________________________ Information people can use? Try this: After some pretty basic parameters are met, there is not a whole helluva lot to choose between amplifiers, pre-amplifiers, tuners, or other forms of electronics. *All* other things being equal, more power is always better than less power. Speakers are the weakest link in any system. Effort and attention expended on speakers will pay off infinitely more than equal efforts and attention spent on electronics. Only you are the final judge of any given system. Said system can only be judge in your listening area with your choice of material. After some pretty basic parameters are met, any given CD player is as good as any other given CD player. After some pretty basic parameters are met, a good antenna will do more for your reception (AM or FM) than a fancy tuner. NO tuner can overcome the limitations of a poor antenna. An excellent antenna can put most tuners (after said parameters are met) on a near-as-much-as- matters equal footing. NO tuner will correct bad information coming in. Good antennas are cheaper than excellent tuners, however not every location will permit a good antenna. So there is always a reason to search for the very best tuner one can afford as long as the limitations are fully understood. Vinyl is the last true realm of black-magic in audio. The most costly item in any vinyl system is the vinyl, so the primary attention should be on protecting it. As it happens, systems good at protecting vinyl typically do a fair job of reproduction as well. As with speakers, care, time and attention here has a disproportionately positive result. As with everything else, only you can judge the results. After a certain point, improvements are inaudible. Only you can determine that point. If it seems not to make any sense, it likely does not improve sound either. If it cannot be explained in simple terms and with less than 20 words, it likely does not improve sound either. Not the details, but the concept. Codicil: Terms describing similar items should be common to both descriptions. If you like it and continue to like it, that is entirely enough. Expense does not equal quality. Quality is not necessarily expensive. Codicil A: $1000, some patience, care and attention and a modicum of pure blind luck will net a better system from eBay, flea-markets and/ or garage sales than from your local high-end shop at 5 x that number. Exceptions are anything that touches vinyl unless you are a good technician, and cartridges and stylii nearly always. Codicil B: After a certain point, increases in quality are at the inverse square to the increase in cost. That is, the cost curve goes nearly straight up to a gently sloping nearly linear quality curve. Many things such as speaker placement, room treatments and similar items are ultimately only for you to decide. If you are given advice, you don't have to follow it. If you seek advice, at least try it, but you still do not have to follow it to the end of time. You have the right to change your mind. Always. And for no reason at all. If you are not having fun/enjoying the hobby STOP. This isn't a fetish, after all. ______________________________ Information that can be used, based on my experience. As it is only based on my experience, it is limited in utility and not to be taken as holy writ, endowed with great (any) authority or much more than a vaguely humorous reply to your post. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA
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