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ID help please. ID7
#127
Author: Beng
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:48
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Hi.

Which goose might this be ?

My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)

Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..

Thanks 

//Ben
Re: ID help please. ID7
#129
Author: Beng
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:38
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Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in 
news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:

> 
> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng 
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Hi.
>>
>>Which goose might this be ?
>>
>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>
>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>
> But you haven't told us where either is :-(
> 

Sorry..

http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm

//Ben
Re: ID help please. ID7
#130
Author: Beng
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:48
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Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in 
news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:

> 
> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng 
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Hi.
>>>>
>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>
>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>
>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>
>>> But you haven't told us where either is :-(
>>>
>>
>>Sorry..
>>
>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>
>>//Ben
>>
> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the first 
> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
> 
> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page 43 
of 
> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much larger 
> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with pink 
> over the top and along the sides.
> 

But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports this 
year..

All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one bird.

But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was totally 
un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..

The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility 
occoured..

It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..

Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..

If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't "have 
"that one.

//Ben
Re: ID help please. ID7
#131
Author: Beng
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:46
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Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in 
news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:

> 
> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng 
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, 
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>
>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is :-(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry..
>>>>
>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>
>>>>//Ben
>>>>
>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the 
first
>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>
>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page 43
>>of
>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much 
larger
>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with 
pink
>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>
>>
>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports this
>>year..
>>
>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one bird.
>>
> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in the 
> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that some 
> of the features aren't visible.
> 
>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was totally
>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>
>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>occoured..
>>
>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>
>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>
>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't "have
>>"that one.
>>
> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about that. 
> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been 
> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip is 
> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top like 
> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
> 

Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got GOOD 
photos !!

It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as close 
as 1 meter..

take a look:

http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm

//Ben
Re: ID help please. ID7
#133
Author: Beng
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:03
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Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in 
news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:

> 
> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng 
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, 
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>Beng
>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
>>first
>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page 
43
>>>>of
>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
>>larger
>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
>>pink
>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports 
this
>>>>year..
>>>>
>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one 
bird.
>>>>
>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in 
the
>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that 
some
>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>
>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was 
totally
>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>
>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>occoured..
>>>>
>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>
>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>
>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't 
"have
>>>>"that one.
>>>>
>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about 
that.
>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip 
is
>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top 
like
>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>
>>
>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got 
GOOD
>>photos !!
>>
>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as close
>>as 1 meter..
>>
>>take a look:
>>
>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>
> Those are better pics!  The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year. It 
> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more 
likely 
> bearing in mind where you live!
> 

Hmm.. so you would say Bean goose now ???

I've had lots of opinions from the local and national ornitologists, and 
they ALL say pink-footed..

//Ben
Re: ID help please. ID7
#134
Author: Beng
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:05
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Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in 
news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:

> 
> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng 
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, 
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>Beng
>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
>>first
>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page 
43
>>>>of
>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
>>larger
>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
>>pink
>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports 
this
>>>>year..
>>>>
>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one 
bird.
>>>>
>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in 
the
>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that 
some
>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>
>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was 
totally
>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>
>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>occoured..
>>>>
>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>
>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>
>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't 
"have
>>>>"that one.
>>>>
>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about 
that.
>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip 
is
>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top 
like
>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>
>>
>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got 
GOOD
>>photos !!
>>
>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as close
>>as 1 meter..
>>
>>take a look:
>>
>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>
> Those are better pics!  The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year. It 
> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more 
likely 
> bearing in mind where you live!
> 

But.. the leg-color then ?? Bean goose = orange legs ?

This one does NOT have orange legs.

So, I would say Pink-footed..

//Ben
Re: ID help please. ID7
#135
Author: Beng
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:59
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Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:eFUixMm$rtLDFwd0
@indaal.demon.co.uk:

> 
> In article <Xns96D6ADD778324xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng 
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, 
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>Beng
>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>>>Beng
>>>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is :-(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
>>>>first
>>>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on 
page
>>43
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
>>>>larger
>>>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
>>>>pink
>>>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports
>>this
>>>>>>year..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one
>>bird.
>>>>>>
>>>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in
>>the
>>>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that
>>some
>>>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>>>
>>>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was
>>totally
>>>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>>>occoured..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't
>>"have
>>>>>>"that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about
>>that.
>>>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip
>>is
>>>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top
>>like
>>>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got
>>GOOD
>>>>photos !!
>>>>
>>>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as 
close
>>>>as 1 meter..
>>>>
>>>>take a look:
>>>>
>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>
>>> Those are better pics!  The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year. 
It
>>> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more
>>likely
>>> bearing in mind where you live!
>>>
>>
>>But.. the leg-color then ?? Bean goose = orange legs ?
>>
>>This one does NOT have orange legs.
>>
> It's legs are actually quite bright for a juvenile. And not as pure 
pink 
> as all that. And Bean Geese can, rarely, have pink legs!
> 
>>So, I would say Pink-footed..
>>
> It's the bill I'm looking at mostly. It's got an awful lot of colour 
on 
> it for a Pinkfoot and is quite deep at the base, both a bit more like 
> Bean than Pinkfoot.
> 
> 

But ..the bill is also small?

And, the bird itself was not very big..

Now I am confused... Bean or Pink-footed... :(

But again.. really reliable people says Pink-footed.. but I also have a 
lot of trust in your opinion...

Or, should we say that it is impossible to decide betweeen Bean and 
Pink-footed ???

//Ben
Re: ID help please. ID7
#137
Author: Beng
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:03
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Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:lkp8pjqJbvLDFw5
+@indaal.demon.co.uk:

> 
> In article <Xns96D6B71272A57xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng 
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:eFUixMm$rtLDFwd0
>>@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D6ADD778324xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, 
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>Beng
>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>>>Beng
>>>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@
130.133.1.4>,
>>>>>>Beng
>>>>>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in 
the
>>>>>>first
>>>>>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on
>>page
>>>>43
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a 
much
>>>>>>larger
>>>>>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill 
with
>>>>>>pink
>>>>>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>year..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one
>>>>bird.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is 
in
>>>>the
>>>>>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark 
that
>>>>some
>>>>>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was
>>>>totally
>>>>>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>>>>>occoured..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't
>>>>"have
>>>>>>>>"that one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about
>>>>that.
>>>>>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>>>>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing 
tip
>>>>is
>>>>>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on 
top
>>>>like
>>>>>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got
>>>>GOOD
>>>>>>photos !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as
>>close
>>>>>>as 1 meter..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>take a look:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>> Those are better pics!  The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year.
>>It
>>>>> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more
>>>>likely
>>>>> bearing in mind where you live!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But.. the leg-color then ?? Bean goose = orange legs ?
>>>>
>>>>This one does NOT have orange legs.
>>>>
>>> It's legs are actually quite bright for a juvenile. And not as pure
>>pink
>>> as all that. And Bean Geese can, rarely, have pink legs!
>>>
>>>>So, I would say Pink-footed..
>>>>
>>> It's the bill I'm looking at mostly. It's got an awful lot of colour
>>on
>>> it for a Pinkfoot and is quite deep at the base, both a bit more 
like
>>> Bean than Pinkfoot.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>But ..the bill is also small?
>>
> But the bill of some bean geese is not large.
> 
>>And, the bird itself was not very big..
>>
> Nor are some bean geese.
> 
>>Now I am confused... Bean or Pink-footed... :(
>>
> Almost certainly Pink-footed, but it is a strange bird in a strange 
> place and I just said it "might" be Bean to get you thinking :-)
> 
>>But again.. really reliable people says Pink-footed.. but I also have 
a
>>lot of trust in your opinion...
>>
> I think they are very probably right.
> 
>>Or, should we say that it is impossible to decide betweeen Bean and
>>Pink-footed ???
>>
> Sometimes.
> 
> I believe this bird is a Pinkfoot, but some of its charactistics are 
not 
> entirely typical.
> 

Ok, I have really tried to compare to the book.. and I would say Pink-
footed.

Dont'n know if you got my earlier "other opinion".. here it is any way.

And, thanks for your effort Malc !

"Yes, it is a Pink-footed goose.

Shortbilled with pink point of bill and also pink legs (pink/red is a 
better description).

On the pictures whitout flash one can see the brighter tail (than Bean 
goose) and and the brighter back 

(extra obvious silvercolour on some feaders). Back: silver in there. 
Neck and head deeper chokolate-brown 

than Bean.

The light tips on any feader at back and wings indicates young bird."


//Ben
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