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Beng wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> This time it was a pair of falcons.
> 
> They sounded a little different from each other, so I've included
> sound from both of them.
> 
> The pics are of same poor quality as usual ;-)
> 
> My guess = Kestrel (Falco tinnunculus)
> 
> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id4/id4.htm
> 
> Thanks !
> 
This is a much better photo !
Merlin male.

Mikkel

"Jens Mikkel Lausten" <mlausten@worldonline.dk> wrote in 
news:9JDwe.57560$Fe7.189721@news000.worldonline.dk:

> Beng wrote:
>> Hi.
>> 
>> This time it was a pair of falcons.
>> 
>> They sounded a little different from each other, so I've included
>> sound from both of them.
>> 
>> The pics are of same poor quality as usual ;-)
>> 
>> My guess = Kestrel (Falco tinnunculus)
>> 
>> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id4/id4.htm
>> 
>> Thanks !
>> 
> This is a much better photo !
> Merlin male.
> 
> Mikkel

What do you base that on ???

There were 2 birds.. the one sitting in the tree (photo) and another one 
hovering/screaming close to me.. I could only see ONE dark band on the 
underside of the spreadout tail.. therefore I guess Kestrel !

Do Merlin male/female have different sound ? Can you, in that case, say 
which of my soundfiles that are the bird (male according to you) on the 
Photo ?


//Ben

"Beng" <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Hi.
>
> This time it was a pair of falcons.
>
> They sounded a little different from each other, so I've included sound
> from both of them.
>
> The pics are of same poor quality as usual ;-)
>
> My guess = Kestrel (Falco tinnunculus)
>
> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id4/id4.htm
>
> Thanks !
>
> //Ben

It does look like a Kestrel, but the picture is quite poor I have to say.
The details are washed out and not much indication on what the bird is. But
the Kestrel does have one broad band on the tail though.
http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1391486&forward=viewportfolio

Best regards,
Thomas

"Thomas Pedersen" <sass@'sletdette'mail.tele.dk> wrote in
news:42c40f2b$0$240$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk: 

> 
> "Beng" <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:Xns9684E0CF6593Axnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4...
>> Hi.
>>
>> This time it was a pair of falcons.
>>
>> They sounded a little different from each other, so I've included
>> sound from both of them.
>>
>> The pics are of same poor quality as usual ;-)
>>
>> My guess = Kestrel (Falco tinnunculus)
>>
>> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id4/id4.htm
>>
>> Thanks !
>>
>> //Ben
> 
> It does look like a Kestrel, but the picture is quite poor I have to
> say. The details are washed out and not much indication on what the
> bird is. But the Kestrel does have one broad band on the tail though.
> http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1391486
&forward=viewportfolio
> 
> Best regards,
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 

Yes.. but the sound says Kestrel too?

//Ben

Beng wrote:
> "Jens Mikkel Lausten" <mlausten@worldonline.dk> wrote in
> news:9JDwe.57560$Fe7.189721@news000.worldonline.dk:
> 
>> Beng wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> This time it was a pair of falcons.
>>> 
>>> They sounded a little different from each other, so I've included
>>> sound from both of them.
>>> 
>>> The pics are of same poor quality as usual ;-)
>>> 
>>> My guess = Kestrel (Falco tinnunculus)
>>> 
>>> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id4/id4.htm
>>> 
>>> Thanks !
>>> 
>> This is a much better photo !
>> Merlin male.
>> 
>> Mikkel
> 
> What do you base that on ???


> 
> There were 2 birds.. the one sitting in the tree (photo) and another
> one hovering/screaming close to me.. I could only see ONE dark band
> on the underside of the spreadout tail.. therefore I guess Kestrel !

Kestrels are not bluishgrey on the back and on the crown, they are reddishbrown
Adult Male Merlin have also a dark subterminal tailband.
The bird on the picture is absolutely spot on Adult Male Merlin.
How can you tell that a bird is 29-34 cm ??

From "Rovfågelsguiden" av Dick Forsman:

"Den gamla stenfalkhanen är en grann fågel. Ryggen, vingtäckarna, de inre armpennorna och stjärten är vackert blågrå. Handpennorna och de yttre armpennorna är ovantill svarta, likaså stjärtens breda subterminalband. Från den vita strupen och nedåt är buksidan rostgul-vitbeige med individuelt varierande fin, svart längsstreckning. Hjässan är mörk. Har mörk mustaschstreck, män det är sällan påfallende. Andre kännetecken är det ofullständiga, rostfärgade nackbandet och det ljusa ögonbrynsstrecket. Trots den granna dräkten förfaller stenfalkshanen mörk på håll och är därför oftast svår att skilja från honorna och ungfåglerna."

> Do Merlin male/female have different sound ? 

Properly.

> Can you, in that case,
> say which of my soundfiles that are the bird (male according to you)
> on the Photo ?

No, I find it very difficult just to identify the different falcon species on alarmcalls.

Mikkel

"Jens Mikkel Lausten" <mlausten@worldonline.dk> wrote in
news:joWwe.57670$Fe7.189820@news000.worldonline.dk: 

> Beng wrote:
>> "Jens Mikkel Lausten" <mlausten@worldonline.dk> wrote in
>> news:9JDwe.57560$Fe7.189721@news000.worldonline.dk:
>> 
>>> Beng wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> 
>>>> This time it was a pair of falcons.
>>>> 
>>>> They sounded a little different from each other, so I've included
>>>> sound from both of them.
>>>> 
>>>> The pics are of same poor quality as usual ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> My guess = Kestrel (Falco tinnunculus)
>>>> 
>>>> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id4/id4.htm
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks !
>>>> 
>>> This is a much better photo !
>>> Merlin male.
>>> 
>>> Mikkel
>> 
>> What do you base that on ???
> 
> 
>> 
>> There were 2 birds.. the one sitting in the tree (photo) and another
>> one hovering/screaming close to me.. I could only see ONE dark band
>> on the underside of the spreadout tail.. therefore I guess Kestrel !
> 
> Kestrels are not bluishgrey on the back and on the crown, they are
> reddishbrown Adult Male Merlin have also a dark subterminal tailband.
> The bird on the picture is absolutely spot on Adult Male Merlin.
> How can you tell that a bird is 29-34 cm ??
> 
> From "Rovf�gelsguiden" av Dick Forsman:
> 
> "Den gamla stenfalkhanen �r en grann f�gel. Ryggen, vingt�ckarna, de
> inre armpennorna och stj�rten �r vackert bl�gr�. Handpennorna och de
> yttre armpennorna �r ovantill svarta, likas� stj�rtens breda
> subterminalband. Fr�n den vita strupen och ned�t �r buksidan
> rostgul-vitbeige med individuelt varierande fin, svart
> l�ngsstreckning. Hj�ssan �r m�rk. Har m�rk mustaschstreck, m�n det �r
> s�llan p�fallende. Andre k�nnetecken �r det ofullst�ndiga, rostf�rgade
> nackbandet och det ljusa �gonbrynsstrecket. Trots den granna dr�kten
> f�rfaller stenfalkshanen m�rk p� h�ll och �r d�rf�r oftast sv�r att
> skilja fr�n honorna och ungf�glerna." 
> 
>> Do Merlin male/female have different sound ? 
> 
> Properly.
> 
>> Can you, in that case,
>> say which of my soundfiles that are the bird (male according to you)
>> on the Photo ?
> 
> No, I find it very difficult just to identify the different falcon
> species on alarmcalls. 
> 
> Mikkel
> 

Ok.. I have to go there again and try to get a photo of the hovering 
one.. but it ain't easy..

The one in the tree sat there for all 20 minutes I spent there..

The 29-34 cm is just a "feeling" of the size.. I find it VERY difficult 
to estimate size..

//Ben