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Beng wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Well this one is either Redpoll or Arctic redpoll ?
> 
> My guess Redpoll.
> 
> So:
> 
> Redpoll: 1
> Arctic redpoll: 0
> Other: 0
> 
> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id5/id5.htm
> 
> Thanks !
> 
> //Ben

I don't hear any sound or see a way to start it. I see none of your 
posted pictures because mu News server doesn't allow binaries or 
attachments in text newsgroups.

Jerry
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Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in news:_t2dnT5JxYKVxz7fRVn-1g@rcn.net:

> Beng wrote:
>> Hi.
>> 
>> Well this one is either Redpoll or Arctic redpoll ?
>> 
>> My guess Redpoll.
>> 
>> So:
>> 
>> Redpoll: 1
>> Arctic redpoll: 0
>> Other: 0
>> 
>> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id5/id5.htm
>> 
>> Thanks !
>> 
>> //Ben
> 
> I don't hear any sound or see a way to start it. I see none of your 
> posted pictures because mu News server doesn't allow binaries or 
> attachments in text newsgroups.
> 
> Jerry

What? just go to the website, it works fine.

But sound only at one of the pages: http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm

//Ben

Beng wrote:

   ...

> What? just go to the website, it works fine.
> 
> But sound only at one of the pages: http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
> 
> //Ben

Sorry, Ben, not for me. (I can hear sound from other sources.)

Jerry
-- 
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Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in news:QO-dnaejEv56_j7fRVn-ug@rcn.net:

> Beng wrote:
> 
>    ...
> 
>> What? just go to the website, it works fine.
>> 
>> But sound only at one of the pages: 
http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>> 
>> //Ben
> 
> Sorry, Ben, not for me. (I can hear sound from other sources.)
> 
> Jerry

Thats strange, I just now, copied the adress I've given above 
(http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm) , and pasted it into my Internet 
Explorer adressfield, and there is both pictures and sound.

//Ben

Beng wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Well this one is either Redpoll or Arctic redpoll ?
> 
> My guess Redpoll.
> 
> So:
> 
> Redpoll: 1
> Arctic redpoll: 0
> Other: 0
> 
> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id5/id5.htm


Redpoll. 

Mikkel

Beng wrote:
> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in news:QO-dnaejEv56_j7fRVn-ug@rcn.net:
> 
> 
>>Beng wrote:
>>
>>   ...
>>
>>
>>>What? just go to the website, it works fine.
>>>
>>>But sound only at one of the pages: 
> 
> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
> 
>>>//Ben
>>
>>Sorry, Ben, not for me. (I can hear sound from other sources.)
>>
>>Jerry
> 
> 
> Thats strange, I just now, copied the adress I've given above 
> (http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm) , and pasted it into my Internet 
> Explorer adressfield, and there is both pictures and sound.
> 
> //Ben


Sound with IE. None with Netscape.

Jerry
-- 
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Jerry Avins wrote:
> Beng wrote:
> 
>> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in news:QO-dnaejEv56_j7fRVn-ug@rcn.net:
>>
>>
>>> Beng wrote:
>>>
>>>   ...
>>>
>>>
>>>> What? just go to the website, it works fine.
>>>>
>>>> But sound only at one of the pages: 
>>
>>
>> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>
>>>> //Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, Ben, not for me. (I can hear sound from other sources.)
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>> Thats strange, I just now, copied the adress I've given above 
>> (http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm) , and pasted it into my Internet 
>> Explorer adressfield, and there is both pictures and sound.
>>
>> //Ben
> 
> 
> 
> Sound with IE. None with Netscape.
> 
> Jerry

None w/ Mozilla either.

Phill

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Phillip Sherman <captphill@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:Tlope.59727$8S5.31458@bignews3.bellsouth.net: 

> Jerry Avins wrote:
>> Beng wrote:
>> 
>>> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in
>>> news:QO-dnaejEv56_j7fRVn-ug@rcn.net: 
>>>
>>>
>>>> Beng wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What? just go to the website, it works fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> But sound only at one of the pages: 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>
>>>>> //Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, Ben, not for me. (I can hear sound from other sources.)
>>>>
>>>> Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thats strange, I just now, copied the adress I've given above 
>>> (http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm) , and pasted it into my
>>> Internet Explorer adressfield, and there is both pictures and sound.
>>>
>>> //Ben
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sound with IE. None with Netscape.
>> 
>> Jerry
> 
> None w/ Mozilla either.
> 
> Phill
> 

Well, I just used Frontpage to insert a background sound, I know that 
many things aint compatible with oter webbrowsers than IE.. sorry..

//Ben

"Phillip Sherman" <captphill@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry Avins wrote:
> > Beng wrote:
> >
> >> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in
news:QO-dnaejEv56_j7fRVn-ug@rcn.net:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Beng wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> What? just go to the website, it works fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> But sound only at one of the pages:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
> >>
> >>>> //Ben
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, Ben, not for me. (I can hear sound from other sources.)
> >>>
> >>> Jerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thats strange, I just now, copied the adress I've given above
> >> (http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm) , and pasted it into my Internet
> >> Explorer adressfield, and there is both pictures and sound.
> >>
> >> //Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > Sound with IE. None with Netscape.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> None w/ Mozilla either.
>
> Phill


I had a look at the source code and guessed at :

 http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/ljud.wav

then all will become apparent  :-)

Liz

Beng Bengsson wrote:

   ...

> Well, I just used Frontpage to insert a background sound, I know that 
> many things aint compatible with oter webbrowsers than IE.. sorry..

The problem is that neither Frontpage nor IE conform to internet 
standards agreed to by Microsoft.

Jerry
-- 
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"Liz" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:d86j7p$upg$1
@domitilla.aioe.org:

> 
> "Phillip Sherman" <captphill@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:Tlope.59727$8S5.31458@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Jerry Avins wrote:
>> > Beng wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in
> news:QO-dnaejEv56_j7fRVn-ug@rcn.net:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Beng wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>   ...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> What? just go to the website, it works fine.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But sound only at one of the pages:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>> >>
>> >>>> //Ben
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry, Ben, not for me. (I can hear sound from other sources.)
>> >>>
>> >>> Jerry
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thats strange, I just now, copied the adress I've given above
>> >> (http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm) , and pasted it into my 
Internet
>> >> Explorer adressfield, and there is both pictures and sound.
>> >>
>> >> //Ben
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sound with IE. None with Netscape.
>> >
>> > Jerry
>>
>> None w/ Mozilla either.
>>
>> Phill
> 
> 
> I had a look at the source code and guessed at :
> 
>  http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/ljud.wav
> 
> then all will become apparent  :-)
> 
> Liz
> 
> 
> 
> 

So.. Mozilla and Netscape can't play embedded .wav ?

I few snobs can't here the sound with their browser.. I can live with 
that..


//Ben

"Beng" <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> wrote in message
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> "Liz" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:d86j7p$upg$1
> @domitilla.aioe.org:
>
> >
> > "Phillip Sherman" <captphill@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:Tlope.59727$8S5.31458@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> Jerry Avins wrote:
> >> > Beng wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in
> > news:QO-dnaejEv56_j7fRVn-ug@rcn.net:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Beng wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> What? just go to the website, it works fine.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> But sound only at one of the pages:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>>> //Ben
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sorry, Ben, not for me. (I can hear sound from other sources.)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jerry
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thats strange, I just now, copied the adress I've given above
> >> >> (http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm) , and pasted it into my
> Internet
> >> >> Explorer adressfield, and there is both pictures and sound.
> >> >>
> >> >> //Ben
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sound with IE. None with Netscape.
> >> >
> >> > Jerry
> >>
> >> None w/ Mozilla either.
> >>
> >> Phill
> >
> >
> > I had a look at the source code and guessed at :
> >
> >  http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/ljud.wav
> >
> > then all will become apparent  :-)
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> So.. Mozilla and Netscape can't play embedded .wav ?
>
> I few snobs can't here the sound with their browser.. I can live with
> that..


So , those of us using Firefox and other non IE browsers are snobs??  Sorry,
I don't follow your reasoning.  I'd say it was rather sensible!  :-)  An
ever-growing number of people have seen the light and are using alternatives
to IE.
If you're asking for help, then making access to information easy should
possibly be a priority I would have thought.  Why not put a link to the .wav
file on the page for us "snobs" who are not prepared to have to look at your
page source to work it out.  People are only trying to help, so calling us
snobs is probably not going to encourage people to continue to help with
your regular requests for bird IDs

Liz

Beng wrote:

   ...

> So.. Mozilla and Netscape can't play embedded .wav ?

They can when it's embedded properly.

> I few snobs can't here the sound with their browser.. I can live with 
> that..

Everyone who doesn't use your favorite brand is a snob? For you, the 
world must be populated with snobs. I can live with that.

Jerry
-- 
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Jerry Avins wrote:
> Beng wrote:
> 
>   ...
> 
>> So.. Mozilla and Netscape can't play embedded .wav ?
> 
> 
> They can when it's embedded properly.
> 
>> I few snobs can't here the sound with their browser.. I can live with 
>> that..
> 
> 
> Everyone who doesn't use your favorite brand is a snob? For you, the 
> world must be populated with snobs. I can live with that.
> 
> Jerry

I'll take SNOB over SOB any day.

-- 
I live in Zone 9B-10A-Sunset Zone 25
The zone splits in my City
I live on the Treasure Coast of Florida

Phillip Sherman <captphill@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:70kqe.80477
$8S5.69876@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

> Jerry Avins wrote:
>> Beng wrote:
>> 
>>   ...
>> 
>>> So.. Mozilla and Netscape can't play embedded .wav ?
>> 
>> 
>> They can when it's embedded properly.
>> 
>>> I few snobs can't here the sound with their browser.. I can live 
with 
>>> that..
>> 
>> 
>> Everyone who doesn't use your favorite brand is a snob? For you, the 
>> world must be populated with snobs. I can live with that.
>> 
>> Jerry
> 
> I'll take SNOB over SOB any day.
> 

But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW that 
99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. 
SORRY !!

//ben

 

Beng wrote:
> Phillip Sherman <captphill@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:70kqe.80477
> $8S5.69876@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
> 
> 
>>Jerry Avins wrote:
>>
>>>Beng wrote:
>>>
>>>  ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>So.. Mozilla and Netscape can't play embedded .wav ?
>>>
>>>
>>>They can when it's embedded properly.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I few snobs can't here the sound with their browser.. I can live 
> 
> with 
> 
>>>>that..
>>>
>>>
>>>Everyone who doesn't use your favorite brand is a snob? For you, the 
>>>world must be populated with snobs. I can live with that.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>
>>I'll take SNOB over SOB any day.
>>
> 
> 
> But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW that 
> 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. 
> SORRY !!
> 
> //ben
> 
>  
Actually it's more like 60%. Check the link below.
You'll have to scroll down a bit to see the stats.
At it's highest IE was only about 72%

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Firefox has been a big hit with users

gls858

gls858 wrote:
> Beng wrote:
>> But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW
>> that 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for
>> Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. SORRY !!
>>
>> //ben
>>
>>
> Actually it's more like 60%. Check the link below.
> You'll have to scroll down a bit to see the stats.
> At it's highest IE was only about 72%
>
> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
>
> Firefox has been a big hit with users
>
> gls858

And one of those users is right here. :-)

(I'm retaining the x-posting since that's the way it began.)

-- 
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"gls858" <gls858@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> Beng wrote:
>> Phillip Sherman <captphill@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:70kqe.80477
>> $8S5.69876@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>
>>>Jerry Avins wrote:
>>>
>>>>Beng wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So.. Mozilla and Netscape can't play embedded .wav ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They can when it's embedded properly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I few snobs can't here the sound with their browser.. I can live
>>
>> with
>>>>>that..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Everyone who doesn't use your favorite brand is a snob? For you, the 
>>>>world must be populated with snobs. I can live with that.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry
>>>

What we perhaps need to remember is that English is not Ben's first 
language.
When my German friend was staying with me, we were having a robust 
discussion when she said  "that's not *my* problem"  which in the context it 
was said, offended me badly.
What it turned out in the end that she meant was "I don't have a problem 
with that."
Such a totally different in meaning in English. She was forgiven 
immediately.

Tina

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I believe 99% IE use is probably exaggerated but even if it were true, 
you don't have to be rude.

My $.02 worth.
Pat


Beng wrote:

>Phillip Sherman <captphill@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:70kqe.80477
>$8S5.69876@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>
>  
>
>>Jerry Avins wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Beng wrote:
>>>
>>>  ...
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>So.. Mozilla and Netscape can't play embedded .wav ?
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>They can when it's embedded properly.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I few snobs can't here the sound with their browser.. I can live 
>>>>        
>>>>
>with 
>  
>
>>>>that..
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Everyone who doesn't use your favorite brand is a snob? For you, the 
>>>world must be populated with snobs. I can live with that.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>      
>>>
>>I'll take SNOB over SOB any day.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW that 
>99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. 
>SORRY !!
>
>//ben
>
> 
>  
>

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I believe 99% IE use is probably exaggerated but even if it were true,
you don't have to be rude.<br>
<br>
My $.02 worth.<br>
Pat<br>
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  <pre wrap="">Phillip Sherman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:captphill@bellsouth.net">&lt;captphill@bellsouth.net&gt;</a> wrote in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:70kqe.80477">news:70kqe.80477</a>
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  ...

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      <pre wrap="">
They can when it's embedded properly.

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    </pre>
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But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW that 
99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. 
SORRY !!

//ben

 
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Beng wrote:


> But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW that 
> 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. 
> SORRY !!

You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a snob? 
That's like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold out his thumb.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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"Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
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> Beng wrote:
>
>
>> But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW that 
>> 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. 
>> SORRY !!
>
> You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a snob? That's 
> like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold out his thumb.
>
> Jerry
>
See my previous post about English not being the first language. Take Ben's 
posts very literally, without offence.
Somewhat like your Swedish, not expert yet.

Tina

Christina Websell wrote:
> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
> news:Qd-dnYFBzo4fdDTfRVn-3g@rcn.net...
> 
>>Beng wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW that 
>>>99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. 
>>>SORRY !!
>>
>>You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a snob? That's 
>>like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold out his thumb.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
> 
> See my previous post about English not being the first language. Take Ben's 
> posts very literally, without offence.
> Somewhat like your Swedish, not expert yet.

I'm always impressed by most European's English ability. I assume Ben 
understood the import when he wrote, "i do NOT bother to adjust it ..." 
with the indicated capitalization.

Jerry
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"Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
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> Christina Websell wrote:
>> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
>> news:Qd-dnYFBzo4fdDTfRVn-3g@rcn.net...
>>
>>>Beng wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW that 
>>>>99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. 
>>>>SORRY !!
>>>
>>>You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a snob? 
>>>That's like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold out his thumb.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>
>> See my previous post about English not being the first language. Take 
>> Ben's posts very literally, without offence.
>> Somewhat like your Swedish, not expert yet.
>
> I'm always impressed by most European's English ability. I assume Ben 
> understood the import when he wrote, "i do NOT bother to adjust it ..." 
> with the indicated capitalization.
>
> Jerry

I'm not so sure, ask him if he meant to be rude.  He probably didn't, and I 
only know this because of my German friend who has taken me aback sometimes. 
We Brits are far too polite to communicate with others sometimes.  So many 
unwritten rules.
If Ben did mean to be rude, well, that's another thing..and only he can tell 
you.

Tina

"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in 
message news:3gu9q1FehchkU1@individual.net...
>
> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
> news:Qd-dnYFBzo4fdDTfRVn-3g@rcn.net...
>> Beng wrote:
>>
>>
>>> But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I 
>>> KNOW that 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for 
>>> Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. SORRY !!
>>
>> You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a 
>> snob? That's like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold 
>> out his thumb.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
> See my previous post about English not being the first 
> language. Take Ben's posts very literally, without offence.
> Somewhat like your Swedish, not expert yet.
>
> Tina
>

As Tina rightly points out English is our Scandinavian cousin 
Ben's 2nd language, or possibly even 3rd or 4th?
Some of the ringers(banders) who worked with me in Sweden put us 
Brits to shame both in the birding and language stakes. One 
Polish girl speaking 6 languages and an Estonian no less than 8.
But my oh my what beautiful girls the Estonians are......
A few years back the Guardian travel writer started his report on 
Tallinn
by saying he thought he had accidentally wandered into the finals 
of the Miss World competition.

Realising that Ben lives in the northern climes of a land 
populated by the World's greatest birder's(patronising or what? 
;-)
 I wonder why we do not receive pictures of Great Snipe 
(dubbelbeckasin), Siberian Jay(lavskrika) and Gyrfalcon 
(jaktfalc) for ID?
Please!

Of interest to some may be that many of the more picturesque 
words in the old Scots language originate from within Swedish 
roots.
Two birding examples that spring to mind is Gowk (Scots spelling) 
and neb.
Cuckoo & bill
Anyway duty calls back to training for the next 
Olympics...oh...did.. I not mention
.....talking for Britain again.
Bill 

On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:04:04 +0100, "Liz" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> An
>ever-growing number of people have seen the light and are using alternatives
>to IE.

And are therefore having problems viewing web pages!
-- 
R
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o
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y

"I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 08:26:23 +0100, Rooney <paulrooney@aol.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:04:04 +0100, "Liz" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>> An
>>ever-growing number of people have seen the light and are using alternatives
>>to IE.
>
>And are therefore having problems viewing web pages!

I thought in this case it was people having problems *listening to* web 
pages!

Safe to say Mozilla/Firefox have precious little problem IME these days 
displaying the abominations sometimes referred to as web pages.

People can of course use whatever they like, but to say something is
better just because lots of people use it (elsewhere in the thread) is a
pretty weak argument, particularly against the overwhelming credentials
of faster browsing (in rendering and accessability), fewer security
holes, stronger adherence to standards (that developers and users alike
have been clamouring for from IE for years), speedy development and
bug-fixes and cross-platform compatibility. Not to mention all the
pop-up blocking, tabbed browsing and so forth that non-IE browsers take
for granted as standard these days.

IE stands virtually alone as an absolute pig to develop for requireing
all sorts of kludges (particularly with reference to even basic CSS and
PNG images), as a painful security hole with patches still withstanding
for numerous, long-term exploits and as the only browser I know of that
you have to buy a whole new operating system for just to get an upgrade
which might just about match the capabilities of other modern browsers
today.

<sarcasm>But 80%+ of people use it, so it must be good!</sarcasm>

Frink

-- 
Doctor J. Frink     : 'Rampant Ribald Ringtail'
See his mind here   : http://www.cmp.liv.ac.uk/frink/
Annoy his mind here : pjf at cmp dot liv dot ack dot ook
"No sir, I didn't like it!" - Mr Horse

Christina Websell wrote:
> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 

   ...

>>I'm always impressed by most European's English ability. I assume Ben 
>>understood the import when he wrote, "i do NOT bother to adjust it ..." 
>>with the indicated capitalization.
>>
>>Jerry
> 
> 
> I'm not so sure, ask him if he meant to be rude.  He probably didn't, and I 
> only know this because of my German friend who has taken me aback sometimes. 
> We Brits are far too polite to communicate with others sometimes.  So many 
> unwritten rules.
> If Ben did mean to be rude, well, that's another thing..and only he can tell 
> you.

I didn't see it as rude, but as emphatically dismissive. I hope Ben 
tells me if I missed the meaning.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Rooney wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:04:04 +0100, "Liz" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>An
>>ever-growing number of people have seen the light and are using alternatives
>>to IE.
> 
> 
> And are therefore having problems viewing web pages!

I use Firefox but keep IE for viewing those out-of-spec pages that 
Firefox/Mozilla/Netscape won't handle. IE uses Microsoft's broken 
version of Java, which correctly interprets most of the broken Java that 
other Microsoft tools produce, but it can't handle all of the 
standard-conforming Java made by other tools. Firefox handles all real 
Java and only some of the broken Microsoft stuff.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in news:Qd-dnYFBzo4fdDTfRVn-3g@rcn.net:

> Beng wrote:
> 
> 
>> But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW
>> that 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for
>> Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. SORRY !!
> 
> You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a snob? 
> That's like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold out his thumb.
> 
> Jerry

What? of course I DID post an URL ?

I KNOW that IE istnt the best webbrowser..(or maybe it IS?).. but.. if I 
want to communicate out a sound to as many as possible 
reader/listeners.. I have a copuple of choises..

1. Do it like I did, Frontpage and cutting ot a couple of other 
webbrowsers..

2. Make a bunch of different embeddings to suit all kind of browsers..

I choosed number UNO!

And..  I do mean that there ARE snobs out there.. who can listen to the 
sound if they just WANT to.. but instead starts discussion of "non-
standard" webbrowsers.. I use Frontpage/IE.. I don't LOVE it.. but...

Sorry for my bad english..


//Ben

"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:3gu9q1FehchkU1@individual.net: 

> 
> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
> news:Qd-dnYFBzo4fdDTfRVn-3g@rcn.net...
>> Beng wrote:
>>
>>
>>> But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW
>>> that 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for
>>> Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. SORRY !!
>>
>> You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a snob?
>> That's like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold out his
>> thumb. 
>>
>> Jerry
>>
> See my previous post about English not being the first language. Take
> Ben's posts very literally, without offence.
> Somewhat like your Swedish, not expert yet.
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> 
> 

If sombody got offended.. my english MUST be really bad.. I did NOT mean 
to offend ANYONE I was just tired of "every Microsoft product stinks, I 
use Hdsakdsalbull 1.2.34 Pro XLC" -talk

//Ben
!

//Ben

Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in news:1omdnW-XPZ3LjTffRVn-2w@rcn.net:

> Christina Websell wrote:
>> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
>> news:Qd-dnYFBzo4fdDTfRVn-3g@rcn.net...
>> 
>>>Beng wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW
>>>>that 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for
>>>>Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. SORRY !!
>>>
>>>You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a snob?
>>>That's like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold out his
>>>thumb. 
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>> 
>> See my previous post about English not being the first language. Take
>> Ben's posts very literally, without offence.
>> Somewhat like your Swedish, not expert yet.
> 
> I'm always impressed by most European's English ability. I assume Ben 
> understood the import when he wrote, "i do NOT bother to adjust it
> ..." with the indicated capitalization.
> 
> Jerry

Nope.. I will NOT adjust.. to much work to adjust to every browser.. I 
use Frontpage/Notepad... most peaople can see/read/listen to the it...

//Ben

"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:3gulujFekuf6U1@individual.net: 

> 
> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
> news:1omdnW-XPZ3LjTffRVn-2w@rcn.net...
>> Christina Websell wrote:
>>> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
>>> news:Qd-dnYFBzo4fdDTfRVn-3g@rcn.net...
>>>
>>>>Beng wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW
>>>>>that 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for
>>>>>Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. SORRY !!
>>>>
>>>>You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a snob? 
>>>>That's like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold out his
>>>>thumb. 
>>>>
>>>>Jerry
>>>>
>>>
>>> See my previous post about English not being the first language.
>>> Take Ben's posts very literally, without offence.
>>> Somewhat like your Swedish, not expert yet.
>>
>> I'm always impressed by most European's English ability. I assume Ben
>> understood the import when he wrote, "i do NOT bother to adjust it
>> ..." with the indicated capitalization.
>>
>> Jerry
> 
> I'm not so sure, ask him if he meant to be rude.  He probably didn't,
> and I only know this because of my German friend who has taken me
> aback sometimes. We Brits are far too polite to communicate with
> others sometimes.  So many unwritten rules.
> If Ben did mean to be rude, well, that's another thing..and only he
> can tell you.
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> 
> 

Absolutely NOT rude.. I am SO greatful for every comment I get regarding 
the birds I see.. rude.. is'nt in my.. hrmm.. vocabularity (lol)..

/ben

"Bill Alexander" <w.alexander1@nospambtinternet.com> wrote in 
news:d8d94u$6rq$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com:

> 
> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in 
> message news:3gu9q1FehchkU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
>> news:Qd-dnYFBzo4fdDTfRVn-3g@rcn.net...
>>> Beng wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I 
>>>> KNOW that 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for 
>>>> Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. SORRY !!
>>>
>>> You want help, but you're too lazy to post the URL? And I'm a 
>>> snob? That's like a hitchhiker who finds it demeaning to hold 
>>> out his thumb.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>> See my previous post about English not being the first 
>> language. Take Ben's posts very literally, without offence.
>> Somewhat like your Swedish, not expert yet.
>>
>> Tina
>>
> 
> As Tina rightly points out English is our Scandinavian cousin 
> Ben's 2nd language, or possibly even 3rd or 4th?
> Some of the ringers(banders) who worked with me in Sweden put us 
> Brits to shame both in the birding and language stakes. One 
> Polish girl speaking 6 languages and an Estonian no less than 8.
> But my oh my what beautiful girls the Estonians are......
> A few years back the Guardian travel writer started his report on 
> Tallinn
> by saying he thought he had accidentally wandered into the finals 
> of the Miss World competition.
> 
> Realising that Ben lives in the northern climes of a land 
> populated by the World's greatest birder's(patronising or what? 
> ;-)
>  I wonder why we do not receive pictures of Great Snipe 
> (dubbelbeckasin), Siberian Jay(lavskrika) and Gyrfalcon 
> (jaktfalc) for ID?
> Please!
> 
> Of interest to some may be that many of the more picturesque 
> words in the old Scots language originate from within Swedish 
> roots.
> Two birding examples that spring to mind is Gowk (Scots spelling) 
> and neb.
> Cuckoo & bill
> Anyway duty calls back to training for the next 
> Olympics...oh...did.. I not mention
> .....talking for Britain again.
> Bill 
> 
> 
> 

Thanks for that NICE input to the group !

English is my 3rd language..

Great snipe is here.. but I've missed it.. Siberian Jay.. nope.. only 
"standard" Jay.. ( http://orre.mine.nu/faglar/notskrika.asp) noone has 
seen it in Abisko.. as far as I have heard . Gyrfalcon is reported by a 
dear friend of mine.. but I havent seen it...

//Ben (never rude, but CRAZY to birds.. right now)

gls858 <gls858@yahoo.com> wrote in news:rIkqe.54$lb5.53@trnddc04:

> Beng wrote:
>> Phillip Sherman <captphill@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:70kqe.80477
>> $8S5.69876@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>> 
>> 
>>>Jerry Avins wrote:
>>>
>>>>Beng wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So.. Mozilla and Netscape can't play embedded .wav ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They can when it's embedded properly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I few snobs can't here the sound with their browser.. I can live 
>> 
>> with 
>> 
>>>>>that..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Everyone who doesn't use your favorite brand is a snob? For you, the
>>>>world must be populated with snobs. I can live with that.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>I'll take SNOB over SOB any day.
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> But.. I need a QUICK way of introducing sound to a Webpage, I KNOW
>> that 99% uses IE.. i do NOT bother to adjust it for
>> Netscape/Modzilla/opera.. SORRY !!
>> 
>> //ben
>> 
>>  
> Actually it's more like 60%. Check the link below.
> You'll have to scroll down a bit to see the stats.
> At it's highest IE was only about 72%
> 
> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
> 
> Firefox has been a big hit with users
> 
> gls858
> 

I don't buy 60% IE-users.. I've been in "the business" for 25 years.. I 
would say, as I did before,  90%...

//Ben

Beng Bengsson wrote:

   ...

> I KNOW that IE istnt the best webbrowser..(or maybe it IS?).. but.. if I 
> want to communicate out a sound to as many as possible 
> reader/listeners.. I have a copuple of choises..
> 
> 1. Do it like I did, Frontpage and cutting ot a couple of other 
> webbrowsers..
> 
> 2. Make a bunch of different embeddings to suit all kind of browsers..
> 
> I choosed number UNO!
> 
> And..  I do mean that there ARE snobs out there.. who can listen to the 
> sound if they just WANT to.. but instead starts discussion of "non-
> standard" webbrowsers.. I use Frontpage/IE.. I don't LOVE it.. but...
> 
> Sorry for my bad english..

Maybe you better try hard to improve it. I seems very much as if you 
just called me a snob.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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