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Started by Mr Benn
Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:28
Cycling casualties still high in Cambs
Author: Mr Benn
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:28
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Of the 468 casualties in Cambridgeshire, almost half of them - 218 - were in the city. Though only provisional figures for 2011, the data raises concerns about cyclist safety in Cambridge in a week when the city council pledged its support to a national cycling campaign. Casualty reduction officer PC Steve Gedny said the attitude of both drivers and cyclists needs to change if the number of injured cyclists is to be cut. "You have the cyclists who say it is all the drivers' fault, then you have drivers saying it is the cyclists' fault," he said. "I have been in traffic policing for 20 years and have seen cyclists go straight through red lights in front of a police car. Then you will have a driver who will not give a cyclist any room. It's all about changing ?these attitudes." The 218 casualties - about 190 of these were slight injuries - is a fall from 2010's count of 230. Those figures painted a worrying picture of cyclists being involved in 59 per cent of road accidents in Cambridge. Only last week, a 56-year-old cyclist was taken to Addenbrooke's with serious ?injuries after colliding with a coach in Trumpington Road. On top of the figures, hundreds of accidents involving cyclists go unreported each year. As part of The Times' Cities Fit For Cycling campaign - prompted after Cambridge University graduate and reporter at the newspaper Mary Bowers, 27, collided with a lorry on her way to work in London in November and has been in a coma ever since - Cambridge City Council has agreed the city should be first to heed the Times' call. Cambridge MP and keen cyclist Julian Huppert said an extension of 20mph zones in the city, being looked at by the council, could ?be beneficial. "Every one of these accidents is one too many; but we have to keep this is in perspective. We have the most people cycling in the UK and therefore considerably more than cycling across the county ?generally," he said. "We are fortunate that cyclists are well catered for in Cambridge ?with designated cycle lanes and cycle routes. "There are, however, more steps we can take to improve the safety of cyclists on our roads and our Government can do more to achieve this." PC Gedny, who has been in his new role for two months, advised cyclists to be "defensive" in ?their cycling. "If there is a cycling lane down the left-hand side of a lorry and you have right of way, it doesn't meant you have to go down the side of the lorry. There is only going to be one winner," he said. http://www.cambridgefirst.co.uk/home/468_cyclists_were_injured_on_our_roads_last_year_1_1224234
Senior Met officer says TfL could face corporate manslaughter charge in Deep Lee death case
Author: Simon Mason
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:31
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:31
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QUOTE: A senior Metropolitan Police traffic officer has confirmed that corporate manslaughter charges against Transport for London (TfL), the body responsible for managing and maintaining the capitalâs road network, are among options being studied in connection with the death last October of Deep Lee at Kingâs Cross in London, reports The Times. The 24-year-old student was killed after being hit by a lorry at the junction of Pentonville Road and York Way. Shortly afterwards, the Kings Cross Environment blog revealed that a report into pedestrian safety on the Kingâs Cross gyratory system, commissioned by TfL in 2008, had made a number of recommendations regarding road layout, none of which had been acted upon. That report, written by independent consultants, also warned that casualties were âinevitableâ at the locations surveyed, as well as highlighting the location where Ms Lee lost her life as an âabsolute priority.â In October, Will Perrin from the Kings Cross Environment blog called for corporate manslaughter charges to be brought against TfL, and later that month met with senior police officers from the Metâs Road Death Investigation Unit and local politicians, with the meeting focusing on that specific issue. Quoted in The Times today, Detective Chief Inspector John Oldham, who is in charge of the Road Death Investigation Unit, revealed: âThere is a portfolio of offences that might have occurred. Obviously corporate manslaughter is one of them.â However, he said that there were problems associated with bringing a successful prosecution under the relevant legislation, the Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007, which he described as âa badly drafted Act; there are loopholes everywhere.â There is no news of whether action is to be taken against the driver of the vehicle involved in the incident, but talking about fatalities of cyclists in general, DCI Oldham said: âWe canât see this as small potatoes. London has to make a decision. Does it want cyclists on the roads? How is it going to make it safe? We need a fully informed debate.â Last year, Cotswold Geotechnical became the first organisation to be successfully prosecuted under the legislation and was fined ÂŁ385,000. It lost an appeal and subsequently went into liquidation. Even the prospect that the police are considering corporate manslaughter charges â the final decision to proceed rests with the Crown Prosecution Service â will provide a major embarrassment for TfL and its chair, Mayor of London Boris Johnson, who despite his promised âCycling Revloutionâ has been heavily criticised by opposition politicians and cycle campaigners for his policy of prioritising motor vehicle traffic flow. The Times, which last month launched its Cities Fit For Cycling campaign, said that its own investigations had revealed that the section of road where Ms Lee died did not appear to conform to TfLâs own published Cycling Design Standards, which say that lane widths of 4m to 4.5m âshould be avoided except on narrow quiet roads;â the two lanes in question at the busy Kingâs Cross junction have a combined width of 6.2m, added the newspaper. Last month, London Assembly Members quizzed Mr Johnson on whether the junction met TfLâs own safety standards. In reply, pointing out that the layout had bee put in place prior to the publication of that document, he said it was âbest practice document intended to ensure that consistently high standards are applied to new schemes in order to reduce barriers to cycling.â Since Ms Leeâs death, TfL has carried out a strategic review of the junction and plans for works there to be completed ahead of this Summerâs Olympic Games. Why it failed to implement the recommendations of the 2008 report remains, for now, a mystery http://road.cc/content/news/53751-senior-met-officer-says-tfl-could-face-corporate-manslaughter-charge-deep-lee -- Simon Mason
Cycling casualties still high in Cambs (re-posted thanks to Simon Mason)
Author: Mr Benn
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:52
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:52
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Of the 468 casualties in Cambridgeshire, almost half of them - 218 - were in the city. Though only provisional figures for 2011, the data raises concerns about cyclist safety in Cambridge in a week when the city council pledged its support to a national cycling campaign. Casualty reduction officer PC Steve Gedny said the attitude of both drivers and cyclists needs to change if the number of injured cyclists is to be cut. "You have the cyclists who say it is all the drivers' fault, then you have drivers saying it is the cyclists' fault," he said. "I have been in traffic policing for 20 years and have seen cyclists go straight through red lights in front of a police car. Then you will have a driver who will not give a cyclist any room. It's all about changing ?these attitudes." The 218 casualties - about 190 of these were slight injuries - is a fall from 2010's count of 230. Those figures painted a worrying picture of cyclists being involved in 59 per cent of road accidents in Cambridge. Only last week, a 56-year-old cyclist was taken to Addenbrooke's with serious ?injuries after colliding with a coach in Trumpington Road. On top of the figures, hundreds of accidents involving cyclists go unreported each year. As part of The Times' Cities Fit For Cycling campaign - prompted after Cambridge University graduate and reporter at the newspaper Mary Bowers, 27, collided with a lorry on her way to work in London in November and has been in a coma ever since - Cambridge City Council has agreed the city should be first to heed the Times' call. Cambridge MP and keen cyclist Julian Huppert said an extension of 20mph zones in the city, being looked at by the council, could ?be beneficial. "Every one of these accidents is one too many; but we have to keep this is in perspective. We have the most people cycling in the UK and therefore considerably more than cycling across the county ?generally," he said. "We are fortunate that cyclists are well catered for in Cambridge ?with designated cycle lanes and cycle routes. "There are, however, more steps we can take to improve the safety of cyclists on our roads and our Government can do more to achieve this." PC Gedny, who has been in his new role for two months, advised cyclists to be "defensive" in ?their cycling. "If there is a cycling lane down the left-hand side of a lorry and you have right of way, it doesn't meant you have to go down the side of the lorry. There is only going to be one winner," he said. http://www.cambridgefirst.co.uk/home/468_cyclists_were_injured_on_our_roads_last_year_1_1224234
Re: Senior Met officer says TfL could face corporate manslaughter charge in Deep Lee death case
Author: Simon Mason
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:56
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:56
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On Mar 1, 2:31Â pm, Simon Mason <swldx...@gmail.com> wrote: > QUOTE: > > A senior Metropolitan Police traffic officer has confirmed that > corporate manslaughter charges against Transport for London (TfL), the > body responsible for managing and maintaining the capitalâs road > network, are among options being studied in connection with the death > last October of Deep Lee at Kingâs Cross in London, reports The Times. > > The 24-year-old student was killed after being hit by a lorry at the > junction of Pentonville Road and York Way. Shortly afterwards, the > Kings Cross Environment blog revealed that a report into pedestrian > safety on the Kingâs Cross gyratory system, commissioned by TfL in > 2008, had made a number of recommendations regarding road layout, none > of which had been acted upon. > > That report, written by independent consultants, also warned that > casualties were âinevitableâ at the locations surveyed, as well as > highlighting the location where Ms Lee lost her life as an âabsolute > priority.â > > In October, Will Perrin from the Kings Cross Environment blog called > for corporate manslaughter charges to be brought against TfL, and > later that month met with senior police officers from the Metâs Road > Death Investigation Unit and local politicians, with the meeting > focusing on that specific issue. > > Quoted in The Times today, Detective Chief Inspector John Oldham, who > is in charge of the Road Death Investigation Unit, revealed: âThere is > a portfolio of offences that might have occurred. Obviously corporate > manslaughter is one of them.â > > However, he said that there were problems associated with bringing a > successful prosecution under the relevant legislation, the Corporate > Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007, which he described as âa > badly drafted Act; there are loopholes everywhere.â > > There is no news of whether action is to be taken against the driver > of the vehicle involved in the incident, but talking about fatalities > of cyclists in general, DCI Oldham said: âWe canât see this as small > potatoes. London has to make a decision. Does it want cyclists on the > roads? How is it going to make it safe? We need a fully informed > debate.â > > Last year, Cotswold Geotechnical became the first organisation to be > successfully prosecuted under the legislation and was fined ÂŁ385,000. > It lost an appeal and subsequently went into liquidation. > > Even the prospect that the police are considering corporate > manslaughter charges â the final decision to proceed rests with the > Crown Prosecution Service â will provide a major embarrassment for TfL > and its chair, Mayor of London Boris Johnson, who despite his promised > âCycling Revloutionâ has been heavily criticised by opposition > politicians and cycle campaigners for his policy of prioritising motor > vehicle traffic flow. > > The Times, which last month launched its Cities Fit For Cycling > campaign, said that its own investigations had revealed that the > section of road where Ms Lee died did not appear to conform to TfLâs > own published Cycling Design Standards, which say that lane widths of > 4m to 4.5m âshould be avoided except on narrow quiet roads;â the two > lanes in question at the busy Kingâs Cross junction have a combined > width of 6.2m, added the newspaper. > > Last month, London Assembly Members quizzed Mr Johnson on whether the > junction met TfLâs own safety standards. In reply, pointing out that > the layout had bee put in place prior to the publication of that > document, he said it was âbest practice document intended to ensure > that consistently high standards are applied to new schemes in order > to reduce barriers to cycling.â > > Since Ms Leeâs death, TfL has carried out a strategic review of the > junction and plans for works there to be completed ahead of this > Summerâs Olympic Games. Why it failed to implement the recommendations > of the 2008 report remains, for now, a mystery > > http://road.cc/content/news/53751-senior-met-officer-says-tfl-could-f... > > -- > Simon Mason
Re: Senior Met officer says TfL could face corporate manslaughter charge in Deep Lee death case
Author: Simon Mason
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:01
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:01
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On Mar 1, 2:31Â pm, Simon Mason <swldx...@gmail.com> wrote: > QUOTE: > > A senior Metropolitan Police traffic officer has confirmed that > corporate manslaughter charges against Transport for London (TfL), the > body responsible for managing and maintaining the capitalâs road > network, are among options being studied in connection with the death > last October of Deep Lee at Kingâs Cross in London, reports The Times. > > The 24-year-old student was killed after being hit by a lorry at the > junction of Pentonville Road and York Way. Shortly afterwards, the > Kings Cross Environment blog revealed that a report into pedestrian > safety on the Kingâs Cross gyratory system, commissioned by TfL in > 2008, had made a number of recommendations regarding road layout, none > of which had been acted upon. > > That report, written by independent consultants, also warned that > casualties were âinevitableâ at the locations surveyed, as well as > highlighting the location where Ms Lee lost her life as an âabsolute > priority.â > > In October, Will Perrin from the Kings Cross Environment blog called > for corporate manslaughter charges to be brought against TfL, and > later that month met with senior police officers from the Metâs Road > Death Investigation Unit and local politicians, with the meeting > focusing on that specific issue. > > Quoted in The Times today, Detective Chief Inspector John Oldham, who > is in charge of the Road Death Investigation Unit, revealed: âThere is > a portfolio of offences that might have occurred. Obviously corporate > manslaughter is one of them.â > > However, he said that there were problems associated with bringing a > successful prosecution under the relevant legislation, the Corporate > Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007, which he described as âa > badly drafted Act; there are loopholes everywhere.â > > There is no news of whether action is to be taken against the driver > of the vehicle involved in the incident, but talking about fatalities > of cyclists in general, DCI Oldham said: âWe canât see this as small > potatoes. London has to make a decision. Does it want cyclists on the > roads? How is it going to make it safe? We need a fully informed > debate.â > > Last year, Cotswold Geotechnical became the first organisation to be > successfully prosecuted under the legislation and was fined ÂŁ385,000. > It lost an appeal and subsequently went into liquidation. > > Even the prospect that the police are considering corporate > manslaughter charges â the final decision to proceed rests with the > Crown Prosecution Service â will provide a major embarrassment for TfL > and its chair, Mayor of London Boris Johnson, who despite his promised > âCycling Revloutionâ has been heavily criticised by opposition > politicians and cycle campaigners for his policy of prioritising motor > vehicle traffic flow. > > The Times, which last month launched its Cities Fit For Cycling > campaign, said that its own investigations had revealed that the > section of road where Ms Lee died did not appear to conform to TfLâs > own published Cycling Design Standards, which say that lane widths of > 4m to 4.5m âshould be avoided except on narrow quiet roads;â the two > lanes in question at the busy Kingâs Cross junction have a combined > width of 6.2m, added the newspaper. > > Last month, London Assembly Members quizzed Mr Johnson on whether the > junction met TfLâs own safety standards. In reply, pointing out that > the layout had bee put in place prior to the publication of that > document, he said it was âbest practice document intended to ensure > that consistently high standards are applied to new schemes in order > to reduce barriers to cycling.â > > Since Ms Leeâs death, TfL has carried out a strategic review of the > junction and plans for works there to be completed ahead of this > Summerâs Olympic Games. Why it failed to implement the recommendations > of the 2008 report remains, for now, a mystery > > http://road.cc/content/news/53751-senior-met-officer-says-tfl-could-f... > > -- > Simon Mason
Re: Senior Met officer says TfL could face corporate manslaughter charge in Deep Lee death case
Author: simon
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:10
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:10
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On Mar 1, 2:31Â pm, Simon Mason <swldx...@gmail.com> wrote: > QUOTE: > > A senior Metropolitan Police traffic officer has confirmed that > corporate manslaughter charges against Transport for London (TfL), the > body responsible for managing and maintaining the capitalâs road > network, are among options being studied in connection with the death > last October of Deep Lee at Kingâs Cross in London, reports The Times. > > The 24-year-old student was killed after being hit by a lorry at the > junction of Pentonville Road and York Way. Shortly afterwards, the > Kings Cross Environment blog revealed that a report into pedestrian > safety on the Kingâs Cross gyratory system, commissioned by TfL in > 2008, had made a number of recommendations regarding road layout, none > of which had been acted upon. > > That report, written by independent consultants, also warned that > casualties were âinevitableâ at the locations surveyed, as well as > highlighting the location where Ms Lee lost her life as an âabsolute > priority.â > > In October, Will Perrin from the Kings Cross Environment blog called > for corporate manslaughter charges to be brought against TfL, and > later that month met with senior police officers from the Metâs Road > Death Investigation Unit and local politicians, with the meeting > focusing on that specific issue. > > Quoted in The Times today, Detective Chief Inspector John Oldham, who > is in charge of the Road Death Investigation Unit, revealed: âThere is > a portfolio of offences that might have occurred. Obviously corporate > manslaughter is one of them.â > > However, he said that there were problems associated with bringing a > successful prosecution under the relevant legislation, the Corporate > Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007, which he described as âa > badly drafted Act; there are loopholes everywhere.â > > There is no news of whether action is to be taken against the driver > of the vehicle involved in the incident, but talking about fatalities > of cyclists in general, DCI Oldham said: âWe canât see this as small > potatoes. London has to make a decision. Does it want cyclists on the > roads? How is it going to make it safe? We need a fully informed > debate.â > > Last year, Cotswold Geotechnical became the first organisation to be > successfully prosecuted under the legislation and was fined ÂŁ385,000. > It lost an appeal and subsequently went into liquidation. > > Even the prospect that the police are considering corporate > manslaughter charges â the final decision to proceed rests with the > Crown Prosecution Service â will provide a major embarrassment for TfL > and its chair, Mayor of London Boris Johnson, who despite his promised > âCycling Revloutionâ has been heavily criticised by opposition > politicians and cycle campaigners for his policy of prioritising motor > vehicle traffic flow. > > The Times, which last month launched its Cities Fit For Cycling > campaign, said that its own investigations had revealed that the > section of road where Ms Lee died did not appear to conform to TfLâs > own published Cycling Design Standards, which say that lane widths of > 4m to 4.5m âshould be avoided except on narrow quiet roads;â the two > lanes in question at the busy Kingâs Cross junction have a combined > width of 6.2m, added the newspaper. > > Last month, London Assembly Members quizzed Mr Johnson on whether the > junction met TfLâs own safety standards. In reply, pointing out that > the layout had bee put in place prior to the publication of that > document, he said it was âbest practice document intended to ensure > that consistently high standards are applied to new schemes in order > to reduce barriers to cycling.â > > Since Ms Leeâs death, TfL has carried out a strategic review of the > junction and plans for works there to be completed ahead of this > Summerâs Olympic Games. Why it failed to implement the recommendations > of the 2008 report remains, for now, a mystery > > http://road.cc/content/news/53751-senior-met-officer-says-tfl-could-f... > > -- > Simon Mason
Re: Senior Met officer says TfL could face corporate manslaughter charge in Deep Lee death case
Author: simon
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:21
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:21
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On Mar 1, 2:31Â pm, Simon Mason <swldx...@gmail.com> wrote: > QUOTE: > > A senior Metropolitan Police traffic officer has confirmed that > corporate manslaughter charges against Transport for London (TfL), the > body responsible for managing and maintaining the capitalâs road > network, are among options being studied in connection with the death > last October of Deep Lee at Kingâs Cross in London, reports The Times. > > The 24-year-old student was killed after being hit by a lorry at the > junction of Pentonville Road and York Way. Shortly afterwards, the > Kings Cross Environment blog revealed that a report into pedestrian > safety on the Kingâs Cross gyratory system, commissioned by TfL in > 2008, had made a number of recommendations regarding road layout, none > of which had been acted upon. > > That report, written by independent consultants, also warned that > casualties were âinevitableâ at the locations surveyed, as well as > highlighting the location where Ms Lee lost her life as an âabsolute > priority.â > > In October, Will Perrin from the Kings Cross Environment blog called > for corporate manslaughter charges to be brought against TfL, and > later that month met with senior police officers from the Metâs Road > Death Investigation Unit and local politicians, with the meeting > focusing on that specific issue. > > Quoted in The Times today, Detective Chief Inspector John Oldham, who > is in charge of the Road Death Investigation Unit, revealed: âThere is > a portfolio of offences that might have occurred. Obviously corporate > manslaughter is one of them.â > > However, he said that there were problems associated with bringing a > successful prosecution under the relevant legislation, the Corporate > Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007, which he described as âa > badly drafted Act; there are loopholes everywhere.â > > There is no news of whether action is to be taken against the driver > of the vehicle involved in the incident, but talking about fatalities > of cyclists in general, DCI Oldham said: âWe canât see this as small > potatoes. London has to make a decision. Does it want cyclists on the > roads? How is it going to make it safe? We need a fully informed > debate.â > > Last year, Cotswold Geotechnical became the first organisation to be > successfully prosecuted under the legislation and was fined ÂŁ385,000. > It lost an appeal and subsequently went into liquidation. > > Even the prospect that the police are considering corporate > manslaughter charges â the final decision to proceed rests with the > Crown Prosecution Service â will provide a major embarrassment for TfL > and its chair, Mayor of London Boris Johnson, who despite his promised > âCycling Revloutionâ has been heavily criticised by opposition > politicians and cycle campaigners for his policy of prioritising motor > vehicle traffic flow. > > The Times, which last month launched its Cities Fit For Cycling > campaign, said that its own investigations had revealed that the > section of road where Ms Lee died did not appear to conform to TfLâs > own published Cycling Design Standards, which say that lane widths of > 4m to 4.5m âshould be avoided except on narrow quiet roads;â the two > lanes in question at the busy Kingâs Cross junction have a combined > width of 6.2m, added the newspaper. > > Last month, London Assembly Members quizzed Mr Johnson on whether the > junction met TfLâs own safety standards. In reply, pointing out that > the layout had bee put in place prior to the publication of that > document, he said it was âbest practice document intended to ensure > that consistently high standards are applied to new schemes in order > to reduce barriers to cycling.â > > Since Ms Leeâs death, TfL has carried out a strategic review of the > junction and plans for works there to be completed ahead of this > Summerâs Olympic Games. Why it failed to implement the recommendations > of the 2008 report remains, for now, a mystery > > http://road.cc/content/news/53751-senior-met-officer-says-tfl-could-f... > > -- > Simon Mason
Re: Cycling casualties still high in Cambs
Author: Brian Watson
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 00:44
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 00:44
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"Mr Benn" <Mr_Benn_usenet@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:jio131$ce0$1@dont-email.me... > Of the 468 casualties in Cambridgeshire, almost half of them - 218 - were > in the city. > Casualty reduction officer PC Steve Gedny said the attitude of both > drivers and cyclists needs to change if the number of injured cyclists is > to be cut. > > "You have the cyclists who say it is all the drivers' fault, then you have > drivers saying it is the cyclists' fault," he said. > > "I have been in traffic policing for 20 years and have seen cyclists go > straight through red lights in front of a police car. Then you will have a > driver who will not give a cyclist any room. It's all about changing these > attitudes." Don't you come in here with your common sense... -- Brian "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
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