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Re: Using an FM-Carrier for the Y [Luminance] Signal -- how to relieve the bandwidth issue?

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From: Dave Platt
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:59
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In article <46fefb70$0$7493$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Green Xenon [Radium] <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> > Sure it is possible. It won't be of any assistance to you (or to
> > anyone else since you can't put 8 pounds in a 1-pound sack.
> > Bandwidth is bandwidth, no matter how you slice it. Do you
> > really think that nobody has thought of various methods of
> > transmitting video over low-bandwidth paths? If so, you need
> > to study not only science and engineering but the HISTORY
> > of science and engineering.
>
>There are 8-bits-per-symbol, only 1 baud. The symbol is split into 8 
>parts. Each part is 1-bit.
>
>How is this �putting 8 pounds in a 1-pound sack?�
>
>It�s more like �putting 1 pound in a 1-pound sack�

You are using the word "split" without defining what you are meaning,
and I think you may be using the word "bit" in two different ways (as
in "a single binary digit's worth of information" and "a part")...
maybe I'm wrong about the latter.

Sure, you can carry 8 bits of information per symbol, at a rate of one
baud.  That's an information rate of 8 bits per second, which isn't a
terribly useful amount of information.

What I *think* you are saying is something along the lines of

  "If there's no way to carry N bits of information per symbol (where 
   N is a large number) at a rate of 1 symbol per second, in a
   specified bandwidth, over a channel having a certain amount of
   dynamic range / signal-to-noise ratio available, then I'd
   like to somehow divide each symbol into eight sub-symbols which
   each carry N/8 of the information, but which still make up only one
   symbol per second.  My hope is that these eight sub-symbols could
   be easier to transmit, somehow, than a single symbol carrying N
   bits, and that I could thus transmit them more easily but without
   using any more bandwidth.  Can I do that?"
   
If that's what you're asking, the answer is "no".

Once you hit the theoretical information limit of the communication
channel (which is set by the bandwidth you use and by the amount of
noise on the channel) you can't do any better than that.  No matter
how you modulate (changing the baud rate, the amount of information
per symbol, etc.) you can't do better than this.

And, as we've been trying to make clear, your goal is quite far beyond
the theoretical limit.  You just can't get there.  You're trying to
put all of Lake Erie in a water-glass.

Let it go, Radium.

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Subject: Re: Using an FM-Carrier for the Y [Luminance] Signal -- how to relieve
 the bandwidth issue?
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