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5 total messages Started by Green Xenon [Radium] Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:29
Using an FM-Carrier for the Y [Luminance] Signal -- how to relieve the bandwidth issue?
#162
Author: Green Xenon [Radium]
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:29
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Hi:

One major reason the luminance signals of television are broadcasted on 
an AM-carrier instead of FM is because FM requires large amounts of 
bandwidth. Is there a way to use FM video without hogging so much bandwidth?

Quotes from 
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/0c013cf5371da8dc?hl=en& 
:

 >Multiple-level quadrature modulation,
 >"constellation modulation",
 >is most common for packing
 >lots of bits per Hz of bandwidth.
 >The more you pack,
 >the better the s/n ratio has to be.

 >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation

 >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation_diagram

Does this mean that Quadrature Modulation and Constellation Modulation 
can -- at least in theory -- be applied to FM video so that excessive 
bandwidth is not needed? If so, then what would be the minimum 
radio-frequency required to transmit the video signal?


Thanks,

Radium
Re: Using an FM-Carrier for the Y [Luminance] Signal -- how to relieve the bandwidth issue?
#163
Author: Brian Gregory [UK]
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:36
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"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message 
news:46f6d850$0$11068$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Hi:
>
> One major reason the luminance signals of television are broadcasted on an 
> AM-carrier instead of FM is because FM requires large amounts of 
> bandwidth. Is there a way to use FM video without hogging so much 
> bandwidth?
>
> Quotes from 
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/0c013cf5371da8dc?hl=en& :
>
> >Multiple-level quadrature modulation,
> >"constellation modulation",
> >is most common for packing
> >lots of bits per Hz of bandwidth.
> >The more you pack,
> >the better the s/n ratio has to be.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation_diagram
>
> Does this mean that Quadrature Modulation and Constellation Modulation 
> can -- at least in theory -- be applied to FM video so that excessive 
> bandwidth is not needed? If so, then what would be the minimum 
> radio-frequency required to transmit the video signal?

No.

These are like special modified forms of AM.

You can only use these to reduce bandwidth of an FM signal in the same way 
that you can use AM to reduce the bandwidth of an FM signal. It just won't 
be FM any more.

-- 

Brian Gregory. (In the UK)
ng@bgdsv.co.uk
To email me remove the letter vee. 
Re: Using an FM-Carrier for the Y [Luminance] Signal -- how to relieve the bandwidth issue?
#164
Author: Brendan Gillatt
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:02
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Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> One major reason the luminance signals of television are broadcasted on
> an AM-carrier instead of FM is because FM requires large amounts of
> bandwidth. Is there a way to use FM video without hogging so much
> bandwidth?
> 
> Quotes from
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/0c013cf5371da8dc?hl=en&
> :
> 
>>Multiple-level quadrature modulation,
>>"constellation modulation",
>>is most common for packing
>>lots of bits per Hz of bandwidth.
>>The more you pack,
>>the better the s/n ratio has to be.
> 
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation
> 
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation_diagram
> 
> Does this mean that Quadrature Modulation and Constellation Modulation
> can -- at least in theory -- be applied to FM video so that excessive
> bandwidth is not needed? If so, then what would be the minimum
> radio-frequency required to transmit the video signal?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Radium

Okay now you're actualy irritating me quite a LOT.

Please, do yourself a favour: buy an Amazon book voucher and shut up.

- --
Brendan Gillatt
brendan {at} brendangillatt {dot} co {dot} uk
http://www.brendangillatt.co.uk
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Re: Using an FM-Carrier for the Y [Luminance] Signal -- how to relieve the bandwidth issue?
#153
Author: Michael A. Terrell
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:59
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"Brian Gregory [UK]" wrote:
> 
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:46f6d850$0$11068$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> > Hi:
> >
> > One major reason the luminance signals of television are broadcasted on an
> > AM-carrier instead of FM is because FM requires large amounts of
> > bandwidth. Is there a way to use FM video without hogging so much
> > bandwidth?
> >
> > Quotes from
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/0c013cf5371da8dc?hl=en& :
> >
> > >Multiple-level quadrature modulation,
> > >"constellation modulation",
> > >is most common for packing
> > >lots of bits per Hz of bandwidth.
> > >The more you pack,
> > >the better the s/n ratio has to be.
> >
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation
> >
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation_diagram
> >
> > Does this mean that Quadrature Modulation and Constellation Modulation
> > can -- at least in theory -- be applied to FM video so that excessive
> > bandwidth is not needed? If so, then what would be the minimum
> > radio-frequency required to transmit the video signal?
> 
> No.
> 
> These are like special modified forms of AM.
> 
> You can only use these to reduce bandwidth of an FM signal in the same way
> that you can use AM to reduce the bandwidth of an FM signal. It just won't
> be FM any more.


   radium is a troll.  he tries this crap on a lot ot different
newsgroups, and asks stupid questions to entertain himself.  If you
don't believe me. look at his posting history on Google Groups, then
kill file him.


-- 
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Re: Using an FM-Carrier for the Y [Luminance] Signal -- how to relieve the bandwidth issue?
#230
Author: Steven
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:16
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On Sep 24, 12:59 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> "Brian Gregory [UK]" wrote:
>
> > "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com> wrote in message
> >news:46f6d850$0$11068$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> > > Hi:
>
> > > One major reason the luminance signals of television are broadcasted on an
> > > AM-carrier instead of FM is because FM requires large amounts of
> > > bandwidth. Is there a way to use FM video without hogging so much
> > > bandwidth?
>
> > > Quotes from
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/0c013cf5371...:
>
> > > >Multiple-level quadrature modulation,
> > > >"constellation modulation",
> > > >is most common for packing
> > > >lots of bits per Hz of bandwidth.
> > > >The more you pack,
> > > >the better the s/n ratio has to be.
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation_diagram
>
> > > Does this mean that Quadrature Modulation and Constellation Modulation
> > > can -- at least in theory -- be applied to FM video so that excessive
> > > bandwidth is not needed? If so, then what would be the minimum
> > > radio-frequency required to transmit the video signal?
>
> > No.
>
> > These are like special modified forms of AM.
>
> > You can only use these to reduce bandwidth of an FM signal in the same way
> > that you can use AM to reduce the bandwidth of an FM signal. It just won't
> > be FM any more.
>
>    radium is a troll.  he tries this crap on a lot ot different
> newsgroups, and asks stupid questions to entertain himself.  If you
> don't believe me. look at his posting history on Google Groups, then
> kill file him.
>
> --
> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #85.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida

We're all trolls, damn you, least the exceptional you.
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