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"johngood_____" <void@voidacious.net> wrote in message 
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> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I 
> might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to 
> Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.
>
> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the 
> inconvenience
> of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
> easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
> phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a 
> search
> on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
> far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.
>


Free and Public Usenet News Servers:
http://freenews.maxbaud.net/

Find a news server at:
http://www.newzbot.com/
-- 
Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP 

johngood_____ wrote:
> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.

Newsgroups is not a profitable business for ISP's.  It's better to 
access NG directly using a good NG reader like Thunderbird or whatever 
or even browsing Google Groups.

"johngood_____" <void@voidacious.net> wrote in message 
news:SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I 
> might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to 
> Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.
>
> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the 
> inconvenience
> of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
> easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
> phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a 
> search
> on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
> far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.


I have been very satisfied with the free one I am using.
http://news.motzarella.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php

<hint>
They do however impose a limit on the number of groups
a you can x-post to, so it might not be ideal for you .
<\hint>
-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation% 

{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> johngood_____ wrote
> on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT in message
> <SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>
>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that
>> I might sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide
>> access to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.
>>
>> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the
>> inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a
>> reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using
>> this new provider please. I phoned up the technical line and they
>> said to use RSS feeds, I did a search on this but it doesn't seem to
>> me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as far as I can see. Thanks
>> for any advice.
>>
>>
>
>
> For text only:
>
> Free:
>
> news.motzarella.org
>
> news.albasani.net
>
> Are two and have been reliable all the time I've used them.
>
> Then there's news.individual.net for �10 (Ten Euro) per year.  When I
> used them in the past, they were reliable.
>
> For binaries, afraid someone else will have to answer there.

Hey, Welcome - can you please explain your sig in a bit more detail? I live 
in Preston and I'm on BT Internet (or whatever they're calling themselves 
this week) but a neighbour four doors down is on Virgin cable, so I'm 
curious now.

John 

>
> For text only:
>
> Free:
>
> news.motzarella.org
>
> news.albasani.net
>
> Are two and have been reliable all the time I've used them.
>
> Then there's news.individual.net for �10 (Ten Euro) per year.  When I used
> them in the past, they were reliable.
>
> For binaries, afraid someone else will have to answer there.


I concur - I'm on Sky, which doesn't have any usenet access, and I'm now 
using motzarella with OE, which works fine for text.  I subscribe to 
EasyNews for binaries - been with them for years, cheap and reliable.

Barb UK 

johngood_____ wrote:
> 
> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.

Although there are loads of different e-mail clients, many of them free and 
Outlook Express is not everybody's cuppa, OE is fairly standard and commonly
used. Sounds to me like some misunderstanding of what the ISP has told you.
I can't see why they should object to Outlook Express in particular. Here, 
I'm using Netscape Messenger.

Graham. wrote:

> <hint>
> They do however impose a limit on the number of groups
> a you can x-post to, so it might not be ideal for you .
> <\hint>

What?  this is a bad thing?  like the OP on 5 groups?

xposter=spammer

Thanks for the Sunday morning funny...

-- larry/dallas

{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> John wrote
> on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:59:12 +0100 in message
> <EtKdnRMcb6eox5bVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>:
>
>> {{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
>>> johngood_____ wrote
>>> on Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT in message
>>> <SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>>>
>>>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that
>>>> I might sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide
>>>> access to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.
>>>>
>>>> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the
>>>> inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a
>>>> reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups
>>>> using this new provider please. I phoned up the technical line and
>>>> they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search on this but it doesn't
>>>> seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as far as I can
>>>> see. Thanks for any advice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For text only:
>>>
>>> Free:
>>>
>>> news.motzarella.org
>>>
>>> news.albasani.net
>>>
>>> Are two and have been reliable all the time I've used them.
>>>
>>> Then there's news.individual.net for �10 (Ten Euro) per year.  When
>>> I used them in the past, they were reliable.
>>>
>>> For binaries, afraid someone else will have to answer there.
>>
>> Hey, Welcome - can you please explain your sig in a bit more detail?
>> I live in Preston and I'm on BT Internet (or whatever they're
>> calling themselves this week) but a neighbour four doors down is on
>> Virgin cable, so I'm curious now.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> Sure, no worries:-
>
> Virgin Media Technical Support - Karl Rio wrote
> on Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:59:39 GMT in message
> <%yIMj.7737$yD2.3770@text.news.virginmedia.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know there have been many queries regarding STM (Traffic
>> Management), and below is the official statement regarding changes
>> to the STM policy.
>>
>> If you have any questions or comments, please can I ask that you
>> post these in the Feedback group (virginmedia.feedback) to keep the
>> support groups clear for the team to respond to service affecting
>> issues. This has been cross-posted to feedback.
>>
>> Thankyou.
>>
>> STM Statement:
>>
>> �       As part of our continued efforts to improve our customer's
>> broadband experience we are continuing to trial measures which will
>> more efficiently and pro-actively manage network traffic.
>>
>> �       As part of our continued efforts to improve our customer's
>> broadband experience, we are making changes to the current Traffic
>> Management Policy within certain trial regions.
>>
>> �       This updated policy will be trialed within the following
>> regions Preston, Wigan, Blackpool, Camden, Dalston, Enfield and
>> Haringey.
>>
>> �       These measures are based on policies that detect traffic
>> patterns that are deemed potentially abnormal and apply traffic
>> management rules to ensure that other customers are not adversely
>> affected by this traffic.
>>
>> �       The trial aims to prevent or reduce the effects of a
>> minority of users abusing the network and preventing the majority of
>> subscribers from having the network performance they desire.
>>
>> �       For the vast majority of customers, upwards of 95% of the
>> base, their experience will be a more consistent speed (both upload
>> and download).
>>
>> �       Those who have the policies applied to their connection will
>> experience their download / upload speed being constrained (less
>> than 5% affected). Breach of acceptable use policy may lead to these
>> policies being applied.
>>
>> �       These optimisation policies are being trialed during the
>> following times where the potential for abnormal traffic has been
>> identified as having the greatest adverse impact on our customers'
>> experience.
>>
>> 10am - 3pm Download only
>> 4pm - 9pm Download
>> 3pm - 8pm Upload
>>
>>
>> During these times the following thresholds will be applied for
>> upstream and downstream.
>>
>> 10am - 3pm Download
>> Size M: 900Mb
>> Size L: 2400Mb
>> Size XL: 6000Mb
>>
>> 4pm - 9pm Download
>> Size M: 450Mb
>> Size L:1200Mb
>> Size XL: 3000Mb
>>
>> 3pm - 8pm Upload
>> Size M: 200Mb
>> Size L: 700Mb
>> Size XL: 1400Mb
>
> If you hit these limits your broadband connection will be throttled
> at the speeds of that of which the STM applies for users in other
> areas.
>
> http://abcde.co.uk/virginmedia/stm.html
>
> 2Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 1Mbit
> 4Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 1Mbit
> 10Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 2.5Mbit
> 20Mbit users get throttled for 5 hours down to 5Mbit.
>
> The standard hours where VM check for the amount you download or
> upload are 16:00 - 21:00 this means you can get hit once per 24 hours
> with slow speeds for 5 hours.
>
> In the areas mentioned above the hours they check for the amount you
> download or upload are 10:00 - 21:00 so you could get hit a couple of
> times with slow speeds for 5 hours a time.

Thanks for that, Welcome - very interesting.

John. 

I dropped Wanadoo some time ago because they dropped their newsserver.
Signed up with Madasafish and happy with them so far.  I have an "up to 
8meg" speed and a 20Gb monthly allowance for �17.99.  That's split 10Gb news 
and 10Gb internet.
For downloading binaries you'll need something other than OE.  I'm using 
Newsbin Pro but there aoters like Forte Agent.

-- 
Kenny Cargill




"johannes" <johs@sizef4467866445itter.com> wrote in message 
news:480B5D94.985C14B3@sizef4467866445itter.com...
>
>
> johngood_____ wrote:
>>
>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I 
>> might
>> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to 
>> Newsgroup
>> via Outlook Express.
>
> Although there are loads of different e-mail clients, many of them free 
> and
> Outlook Express is not everybody's cuppa, OE is fairly standard and 
> commonly
> used. Sounds to me like some misunderstanding of what the ISP has told 
> you.
> I can't see why they should object to Outlook Express in particular. Here,
> I'm using Netscape Messenger. 

Kenny wrote:
> 
> I dropped Wanadoo some time ago because they dropped their newsserver.
> Signed up with Madasafish and happy with them so far.  I have an "up to
> 8meg" speed and a 20Gb monthly allowance for �17.99.  That's split 10Gb news
> and 10Gb internet.
> For downloading binaries you'll need something other than OE.  I'm using
> Newsbin Pro but there aoters like Forte Agent.

Madasafish was my first ISP many years ago (dial-up). It was OK for a while,
but when sour when they installed new user accounts software which was unable
to recognise my old account; just incompetent system upgrade. So I went to
Surfanytime, name sounds good, but they got stroppy about users taken the
name at face value! Surfanytime didn't mean surf anytime. So on I went to 
Tesco broadband with 1Mb. But Tesco lied to me when they told me that I 
could not upgrade to 2Mb because of my local exchange. I jumped ship to
ADSL24 which gave me 8Mb (same local exchange) and huge download allowance.
So far so good.

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT, "johngood_____"
<void@voidacious.net> wrote:

>In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
>sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
>via Outlook Express.

Does this mean that they don't provide NNTP access or that they just
don't support Outlook Express?   If they do provide NNTP groups
access, then you can set up Outlook yourself.  You just need for them
to give you the address for the NNTP/Usenet server.  Just don't expect
them to answer any support questions about it.

>
>Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience
>of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
>easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
>phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search
>on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
>far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.

If your chosen ISP doesn't provide an NNTP feed, the cheapest option
other than finding another ISP might be a Teranews 'free' account --
they charge a 3.95 setup fee, so it's not totally free anymore and
it's limited to 50megs of transfer a day.   So long as you don't read
a lot of groups or hit the binary groups, that should be ok, but keep
an eye on it, as they want users to pay for overages.   They charge a
monthly fee for their premium accounts, which allow more transfer, and
probably have better retention.

http://www.teranews.com/

Giganews is another option for a paid NNTP server.  
http://www.giganews.com

The big advantage to going with an outside paid NNTP feed is that they
tend to be more complete, with longer retention periods and faster
download speeds.  The NNTP servers offered by ISPs tend to be
throttled (ie. slower) and have shorter retention periods to disuade
people from using the binary groups.   However, in the long run, if
those aren't issues for you, finding another ISP that includes an NNTP
feed in the subscription service is going to be a lot cheaper.

Kenny wrote:
> I dropped Wanadoo some time ago because they dropped their newsserver.
> Signed up with Madasafish and happy with them so far.  I have an "up
> to 8meg" speed and a 20Gb monthly allowance for �17.99.  That's split
> 10Gb news and 10Gb internet.
> For downloading binaries you'll need something other than OE.  I'm
> using Newsbin Pro but there aoters like Forte Agent.
>
>
> "johannes" <johs@sizef4467866445itter.com> wrote in message
> news:480B5D94.985C14B3@sizef4467866445itter.com...
>>
>>
>> johngood_____ wrote:
>>>
>>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that
>>> I might
>>> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to
>>> Newsgroup
>>> via Outlook Express.
>>
>> Although there are loads of different e-mail clients, many of them
>> free and
>> Outlook Express is not everybody's cuppa, OE is fairly standard and
>> commonly
>> used. Sounds to me like some misunderstanding of what the ISP has
>> told you.
>> I can't see why they should object to Outlook Express in particular.
>> Here, I'm using Netscape Messenger.

OE downloads binaries alright.

John 

"johngood_____" <void@voidacious.net> wrote in
news:SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net: 

> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I
> think that I might sign up with. But they tell me that they
> do not provide access to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.
> 
> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want
> the inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google;
> is there a reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to
> the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I phoned up
> the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a
> search on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any
> way with Newsgroups as far as I can see. Thanks for any
> advice. 

Frankly, I wasn't sure if you weren't having us all on, since 
the statement above is so full of confusion and misinformation 
that I thought you were a troll.

All Internet Surveillance Providers used to offer Usenet access 
as part of the basic package, MANY MOONS ago. As a smaller and 
smaller /percentage/ of internet users access the Usenet, many 
have dropped that service and others will continue to do so. 
Those that still provide it do a lousy job with limited groups, 
low retention, and no service.

ANY computer with a newsreader program can access ANY Usenet 
server in the world, it's just like visiting a web site 
anywhere. I use www.usenetrocket.com which has a 6GB/$7.50 (for 
TEN years) pay-as-you-go plan. Whenever you need more, you buy 
more. If you don't access their server for three months, it 
costs you nothing. Retention is 2-3 months plus depending on 
groups, more than enough for anyone IMO.

If you are not interested in binaries, you just might be able to 
get 10 years of Usenet for $7.50. The service is second to none 
since it's a small operation by a person who cares about his 
customers. Try getting ANY service from some of the "big" 
premium providers.

Xnews is an excellent though slightly complicated free 
newsreader. GrabIt is a less excellent but super-simple free 
newsreader - it's more of a binary grabber than a post-oriented 
program, but you CAN post with it, and needless to say, read 
text as well.


-- 
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, 
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas 
most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it 
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, 
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT, "johngood_____"
<void@voidacious.net> wrote:

> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.


It's not really that they don't provide access "via Outlook Express."
It's rather that they don't provide a news server. so you can't access
*their* news server at all, whether via Outlook Express or any other
newsreader.



> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience
> of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
> easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
> phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search
> on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
> far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.


If you want to use these Microsoft newsgroups, the best way to get to
them is via Microsoft's news server, msnews.microsoft.com. You can use
that with Outlook Express (or any newsreader), even with your ISP.

If you want to access other, non-Microsoft, newsgroups, such as those
in the alt. hierarchy, try the free news.motzarella.org news server,
which also works with Outlook Express or any newsreader.

-- 
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

"mcheu" <mpcheu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6mum049ohg4du780p5ku53f4oo23aqcsj4@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:30:10 GMT, "johngood_____"
> <void@voidacious.net> wrote:
>
>>In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
>>sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
>>via Outlook Express.
>
> Does this mean that they don't provide NNTP access or that they just
> don't support Outlook Express?   If they do provide NNTP groups
> access, then you can set up Outlook yourself.  You just need for them
> to give you the address for the NNTP/Usenet server.  Just don't expect
> them to answer any support questions about it.
>
>>
>>Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience
>>of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
>>easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
>>phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search
>>on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
>>far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.
>
> If your chosen ISP doesn't provide an NNTP feed, the cheapest option
> other than finding another ISP might be a Teranews 'free' account --
> they charge a 3.95 setup fee, so it's not totally free anymore and
> it's limited to 50megs of transfer a day.   So long as you don't read
> a lot of groups or hit the binary groups, that should be ok, but keep
> an eye on it, as they want users to pay for overages.   They charge a
> monthly fee for their premium accounts, which allow more transfer, and
> probably have better retention.
>
> http://www.teranews.com/
>
> Giganews is another option for a paid NNTP server.
> http://www.giganews.com
>
> The big advantage to going with an outside paid NNTP feed is that they
> tend to be more complete, with longer retention periods and faster
> download speeds.  The NNTP servers offered by ISPs tend to be
> throttled (ie. slower) and have shorter retention periods to disuade
> people from using the binary groups.   However, in the long run, if
> those aren't issues for you, finding another ISP that includes an NNTP
> feed in the subscription service is going to be a lot cheaper. 

johngood_____ <void@voidacious.net> wrote:

> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might sign up with. But they tell me that they 
> do not provide access to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.

> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google; 
> is there a reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please.

Yes, there are plenty of commercial newsgroup providers that work fine with OE.

> I phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds,

They're fools.

> I did a search on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as far as I can see.

johngood_____ wrote:
> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I
> might sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access
> to Newsgroup via Outlook Express.
>
> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the
> inconvenience of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a
> reasonably priced and easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using
> this new provider please. I phoned up the technical line and they
> said to use RSS feeds, I did a search on this but it doesn't seem to
> me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as far as I can see. Thanks
> for any advice.

Hundreds. Google "news+servers" yields over 7 million hits.

On the larger question of the competency of your prospective ISP, on a scale 
of one-to-ten, I'd rate them somewhere near the baked-beans aisle. 

"John" <noneinuse@> wrote in message 
news:UYKdnTkRGY2dH5bVnZ2dnUVZ8j6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Kenny wrote:
>> I dropped Wanadoo some time ago because they dropped their newsserver.
>> Signed up with Madasafish and happy with them so far.  I have an "up
>> to 8meg" speed and a 20Gb monthly allowance for �17.99.  That's split
>> 10Gb news and 10Gb internet.
>> For downloading binaries you'll need something other than OE.  I'm
>> using Newsbin Pro but there aoters like Forte Agent.
>>
>>
>> "johannes" <johs@sizef4467866445itter.com> wrote in message
>> news:480B5D94.985C14B3@sizef4467866445itter.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> johngood_____ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that
>>>> I might
>>>> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to
>>>> Newsgroup
>>>> via Outlook Express.
>>>
>>> Although there are loads of different e-mail clients, many of them
>>> free and
>>> Outlook Express is not everybody's cuppa, OE is fairly standard and
>>> commonly
>>> used. Sounds to me like some misunderstanding of what the ISP has
>>> told you.
>>> I can't see why they should object to Outlook Express in particular.
>>> Here, I'm using Netscape Messenger.
>
> OE downloads binaries alright.

Lol.  Define "alright".

-- 
  Unlock Your Phone's Potential
        www.UselessInfo.org.uk
   www.ThePhoneLocker.co.uk
     www.GSM-Solutions.co.uk 

John wrote:
> Kenny wrote:
>> I dropped Wanadoo some time ago because they dropped their newsserver.
>> Signed up with Madasafish and happy with them so far.  I have an "up
>> to 8meg" speed and a 20Gb monthly allowance for �17.99.  That's split
>> 10Gb news and 10Gb internet.
>> For downloading binaries you'll need something other than OE.  I'm
>> using Newsbin Pro but there aoters like Forte Agent.
>>
>>
>> "johannes" <johs@sizef4467866445itter.com> wrote in message
>> news:480B5D94.985C14B3@sizef4467866445itter.com...
>>>
>>> johngood_____ wrote:
>>>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that
>>>> I might
>>>> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to
>>>> Newsgroup
>>>> via Outlook Express.
>>> Although there are loads of different e-mail clients, many of them
>>> free and
>>> Outlook Express is not everybody's cuppa, OE is fairly standard and
>>> commonly
>>> used. Sounds to me like some misunderstanding of what the ISP has
>>> told you.
>>> I can't see why they should object to Outlook Express in particular.
>>> Here, I'm using Netscape Messenger.
> 
> OE downloads binaries alright.

OE doesn't do yEnc decodes.

On 20 Apr 2008 18:06:16 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

-------------------8><
> All Internet Surveillance Providers ...

Paranoid, or misinformed?

"johannes" <johs@sizef4467866445itter.com> wrote in message 
news:480B5D94.985C14B3@sizef4467866445itter.com...
>
>
> johngood_____ wrote:
>>
>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I 
>> might
>> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to 
>> Newsgroup
>> via Outlook Express.
>
> Although there are loads of different e-mail clients, many of them free 
> and
> Outlook Express is not everybody's cuppa, OE is fairly standard and 
> commonly
> used. Sounds to me like some misunderstanding of what the ISP has told 
> you.
> I can't see why they should object to Outlook Express in particular. Here,
> I'm using Netscape Messenger.


Some ISPs e.g. don't O2 don't provide news servers.

-- 
Michael Chare 

johngood_____ wrote:
> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
> via Outlook Express.
> 
> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience
> of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
> easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
> phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search
> on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
> far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.
> 
> 
I found a service for 4.95 / 10 gig a month.   Some had an interesting 
concept of letting you roll over your quota from month to month.   So if 
you had 5 gig left over, you could use it next month.   I kinda liked 
that feature.   I can go 3 months without downloads so I could do 30 gig 
on month 4 say?


Some of these are limited but its a small list.  And there are so many 
and the prices vary so much, you check them out.   It would be suggested 
to test before a long commitment.  As some lack groups, some have low 
retention, some may miss parts of messages or whole messages.   It just 
runs the gauntlet.

http://ngroups.net/index1.php?p=3c
News groups .net

http://www.newsrazor.net/pricing.php
News Razor
 

http://www.newsgroupdirect.com/signup/?gclid=CNen3rialpECFUWoGgod52zXOA
news group direct     Has many plans

(69.28.186.120)   Try this for a free server ,  no login etc.
Found at http://www.newsservers.net/FreeNewsServers.php

http://newsgroupservers.easynews.com/
Easy news 


http://www.newsfeeds.com/
newsfeeds.com

http://100proofnews.com/
100 proof 


http://www.powerusenet.com/

http://www.newsrover.com/service.htm
This web page seems to have a ton of servers listed.

Appelation Controlee <me@privacy.net> wrote in 
news:f4eh21b01ty1$.t5t3gjjvj0bq.dlg@40tude.net:

> On 20 Apr 2008 18:06:16 GMT, thanatoid wrote:
> 
> -------------------8><
>> All Internet Surveillance Providers ...
> 
> Paranoid, or misinformed?

No comment.

BTW, (assuming Reply-To is genuine) enjoy your gmail account. 
Google IS the promise of eternal life come true, you know - at 
least for all your email.

"Do not be evil" - but be forever.



-- 
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, 
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas 
most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it 
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, 
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.

- Arthur Schopenhauer

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:18:55 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>johngood_____ wrote:
>> In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
>> sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
>> via Outlook Express.
>> 
>> Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience
>> of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
>> easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
>> phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search
>> on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
>> far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.
>> 
>> 
>I found a service for 4.95 / 10 gig a month.   Some had an interesting 
>concept of letting you roll over your quota from month to month.   So if 
>you had 5 gig left over, you could use it next month.   I kinda liked 
>that feature.   I can go 3 months without downloads so I could do 30 gig 
>on month 4 say?
>
>
>Some of these are limited but its a small list.  And there are so many 
>and the prices vary so much, you check them out.   It would be suggested 
>to test before a long commitment.  As some lack groups, some have low 
>retention, some may miss parts of messages or whole messages.   It just 
>runs the gauntlet.
>
>http://ngroups.net/index1.php?p=3c
>News groups .net
>
>http://www.newsrazor.net/pricing.php
>News Razor
> 
>
>http://www.newsgroupdirect.com/signup/?gclid=CNen3rialpECFUWoGgod52zXOA
>news group direct     Has many plans
>
>(69.28.186.120)   Try this for a free server ,  no login etc.
>Found at http://www.newsservers.net/FreeNewsServers.php
>
>http://newsgroupservers.easynews.com/
>Easy news 
>
>
>http://www.newsfeeds.com/
>newsfeeds.com
>
>http://100proofnews.com/
>100 proof 
>
>
>http://www.powerusenet.com/
>
>http://www.newsrover.com/service.htm
>This web page seems to have a ton of servers listed.


http://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=home
100GB for $24 lifetime

In news:Xns9A894B07AF3Athanexit@66.250.146.158,
thanatoid <waiting@the.exit.invalid> typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:

[snip]

: BTW, (assuming Reply-To is genuine) enjoy your gmail account.
: Google IS the promise of eternal life come true, you know - at
: least for all your email.
:
: "Do not be evil" - but be forever.

There is a simple rule when it comes to email, or Usenet for that matter - 
don't type anything you would not be happy for the world to read.

With that in mind, I have no problem with Google mail, I pass all my mail 
through a gmail account in order to take advantage of their excellent spam 
filters.


Ivor

In article <679a3cF2n9tshU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
  [ ... ]
>There is a simple rule when it comes to email, or Usenet for that matter - 
>don't type anything you would not be happy for the world to read.

I tell people to regard email as a postcard that is likely to fall into the
hands of their worst enemy, and to assume that it will. Sometimes, they
actually believe me.

>With that in mind, I have no problem with Google mail, I pass all my mail 
>through a gmail account in order to take advantage of their excellent spam 
>filters.

Must only be on the incoming email.


Gary

-- 
Gary Heston  gheston@hiwaay.net   http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
    Barack and Hillary, sitting in a tree, H-I-S-S-I-N-G;
    First comes a primary, then an election;
    Next thing you know, McCain's getting sworn in.

On 23 Apr 2008 05:25:15 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> Appelation Controlee <me@privacy.net> wrote in 
> news:f4eh21b01ty1$.t5t3gjjvj0bq.dlg@40tude.net:
> 
>> On 20 Apr 2008 18:06:16 GMT, thanatoid wrote:
>> 
>> -------------------8><
>>> All Internet Surveillance Providers ...
>> 
>> Paranoid, or misinformed?
> 
> No comment.
> 
> BTW, (assuming Reply-To is genuine) enjoy your gmail account. 
> Google IS the promise of eternal life come true, you know - at 
> least for all your email.

It's genuine, but I only read mail there when notified.

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:31:19 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:

> With that in mind, I have no problem with Google mail, I pass all my mail 
> through a gmail account in order to take advantage of their excellent spam 
> filters.

I do the same. I used to run POPfile (which, after a period of training,
produces very good results) but Gmail is even better.
And yes, inbound only, as noted by Gary.

In news:tr-dncieBuV7Y5LVnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@hiwaay2,
Gary Heston <gheston@hiwaay.net> typed, for some strange, unexplained 
reason:
: In article <679a3cF2n9tshU1@mid.individual.net>,
: Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:   [ ... ]
: >There is a simple rule when it comes to email, or Usenet for that
: >matter - don't type anything you would not be happy for the world to
: >read.
:
: I tell people to regard email as a postcard that is likely to fall
: into the hands of their worst enemy, and to assume that it will.

Indeed.

: Sometimes, they actually believe me.
:
: >With that in mind, I have no problem with Google mail, I pass all my
: >mail through a gmail account in order to take advantage of their
: >excellent spam filters.
:
: Must only be on the incoming email.
:
:
: Gary

I don't send via them so you're right.

Ivor