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Shame no-one's doing much about uncapped prices.

"Andy M Jenkins" <andy_nfTORIES@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> PLusnet have reduced their prices - 1Mb now under �15,
> and 2Mb under �20 !!!!
>
> More @ http://snipurl.com/8n9s
>
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Trent SC wrote:
> Shame no-one's doing much about uncapped prices.

Took the words right out of my mouth!

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"Andy M Jenkins" <andy_nfTORIES@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Trent SC wrote:
> > Shame no-one's doing much about uncapped prices.
>
> Took the words right out of my mouth!

On the other hand people who need uncapped connections are the heavy users.
Up till now the heavy few were subsidised by the many more 'lite' customers.
So as we move gradually back towards a PAYU charging basis - at least the
(now unsubsidised) price has not increased!

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Andy M Jenkins <andy_nfTORIES@btopenworld.com> wrote:
: Trent SC wrote:
:> Shame no-one's doing much about uncapped prices.

: Took the words right out of my mouth!

Don't think anyone *CAN* do much!

adslguide says that, under BT's capacity charging scheme, the speed of the line
does not count for that much. For unlimited - presumably - it still does!!!

"Andy M Jenkins" <andy_nfTORIES@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> PLusnet have reduced their prices - 1Mb now under �15,
> and 2Mb under �20 !!!!
>
> More @ http://snipurl.com/8n9s
>
> -- 
> Regards
> Andy M Jenkins
> UK Broadband Usergroup http://www.uk-bug.net

Nothing on their site about this?


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RobertJM wrote:
> "Andy M Jenkins" <andy_nfTORIES@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:TP2dnVNtQNcT5rHcRVnyug@giganews.com...
> 
>>PLusnet have reduced their prices - 1Mb now under �15,
>>and 2Mb under �20 !!!!
>>
>>More @ http://snipurl.com/8n9s
>>
>>-- 
>>Regards
>>Andy M Jenkins
>>UK Broadband Usergroup http://www.uk-bug.net
> 
> 
> Nothing on their site about this?

Not yet.  As in the article - it will be tomorrow though.  Take it as a 
heads up, and consider migration / regrading if appropriate ;o)

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Andy M Jenkins wrote:

> PLusnet have reduced their prices - 1Mb now under �15,
> and 2Mb under �20 !!!!
> 
> More @ http://snipurl.com/8n9s
> 

Any they are still persisting with the �70/�58 setup and charging for 
modems, while most others are not...

I used to recommend Plusnet, as they were a decent ISP (they still are) 
at the best price, but at the moment, I cannot recommend them, knowing 
that Pipex and the like are offing better value for money.

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In article <412cc766$0$23672$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>,
Black Shuck <mgbackup2003@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Andy M Jenkins wrote:
>
>> PLusnet have reduced their prices - 1Mb now under �15,
>> and 2Mb under �20 !!!!
>> 
>> More @ http://snipurl.com/8n9s
>> 
>
>Any they are still persisting with the �70/�58 setup and charging for 
>modems, while most others are not...
>
>I used to recommend Plusnet, as they were a decent ISP (they still are) 
>at the best price, but at the moment, I cannot recommend them, knowing 
>that Pipex and the like are offing better value for money.

They've had a few technical hitches over the past 6 months but all
seems good again now. Like many others, I assume, I kept faith with
them because of their support and communications which are the best I
have come across. But I'll be switching to their new lower priced 2Mbps
offering: hope they don't mind... ;-)

Stan

In article <412c7d6a$0$23960$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>, Trent SC
wrote: 

> Shame no-one's doing much about uncapped prices.

Last time I looked �39.99 was the going rate for an uncapped 1MBit connection. 
PlusNet are now charging �29.99 - not much more than some SPs charge for 1
512Kbit connection. 

I have just regraded to the 1MBit uncapped service.

I don't actually *need* an uncapped connection - I don't do much downloading -
but neither do I want to buy a crippled product. 

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In article <9rCdnb96JNbcWrHcRVnyug@giganews.com>, 
andy_nfTORIES@btopenworld.com says...

> > Nothing on their site about this?
> 
> Not yet.  As in the article - it will be tomorrow though.  Take it as a 
> heads up, and consider migration / regrading if appropriate ;o)

The portal change will be rolled out tomorrow, if you check in the 
afternoon then we will have the updated content there for people to 
browse.

Regards,
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Black Shuck wrote:

> Any they are still persisting with the �70/�58 setup and charging for 
> modems, while most others are not...

I don't think "most others" are offering ADSL without a connection charge 
or with a free modem. The big players are but you need to be careful about 
such "generousity" and it is usually based upon them recouping that 
initial cost from you in other ways - ie higher subscriptions over a 
longer minimum term.

> I used to recommend Plusnet, as they were a decent ISP (they still are) 
> at the best price, but at the moment, I cannot recommend them, knowing 
> that Pipex and the like are offing better value for money.

Whether they are better value for money will depend upon more than just 
the first payment you make.

Don't forget that the ISP will be paying BT £50.00plus VAT for the 
initial connection and, if they provide a free modem, another £10to £5 
for the modem. That £7 0or £8will have to be paid for somehow - either 
in higher monthly charges or by cutting corners in the provision of the 
actual service.

Jason Clifford
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Jason Clifford wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Black Shuck wrote:
> 
> 
>>Any they are still persisting with the �70/�58 setup and charging for 
>>modems, while most others are not...
> 
> 
> I don't think "most others" are offering ADSL without a connection charge 
> or with a free modem. The big players are but you need to be careful about 
> such "generousity" and it is usually based upon them recouping that 
> initial cost from you in other ways - ie higher subscriptions over a 
> longer minimum term.
> 
> 
>>I used to recommend Plusnet, as they were a decent ISP (they still are) 
>>at the best price, but at the moment, I cannot recommend them, knowing 
>>that Pipex and the like are offing better value for money.
> 
> 
> Whether they are better value for money will depend upon more than just 
> the first payment you make.
> 
> Don't forget that the ISP will be paying BT £50.00plus VAT for the 
> initial connection and, if they provide a free modem, another £10to £5 
> for the modem. That £7 0or £8will have to be paid for somehow - either 
> in higher monthly charges or by cutting corners in the provision of the 
> actual service.
> 
> Jason Clifford

The problem is, that most people who REALLY wanted fast broadband 
connections, are already onboard, the people that ISP's are trying to 
bring onboard now, as the same people that would cough at a �70 setup 
charge.

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> I used to recommend Plusnet, as they were a decent ISP (they still
> are) at the best price, but at the moment, I cannot recommend them,
> knowing that Pipex and the like are offing better value for money.

Choosing an ISP largely on the basis of cost, like so many other things, is 
not a wise move. The reality is that all ISP's have to pay the BT initial 
charges and this has to be passed on to the end user one way or another as 
does the cost of so called free modems. 

"Black Shuck" <mgbackup2003@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The problem is, that most people who REALLY wanted fast broadband
> connections, are already onboard, the people that ISP's are trying to
> bring onboard now, as the same people that would cough at a �70 setup
> charge.

Hmm. I have a 50k 2-hourly dial-up from UKOnline and the same from
Freeserve. If I can get an SMTP server with a port that Freeserve won't
redirect to its own cruddy servers then I'd be happy to stick with
Freeserve. The dial-up is much better with Freeserve but the mail servers
are better with UKOnline.

As far as broadband goes, I'd love it but BT won't broadband enable my local
echange. There are 1500 houses in my village. BT decreed that 500 must want
broadband before they'll put it in. In my area, very few people have jobs
let alone computers....

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On  25 Aug 2004  in uk.telecom.broadband,  "Zebedee"  wrote:

>If I can get an SMTP server with a port that Freeserve won't redirect 

Clara's 10 quid a year account uses port 2525 as an alternative.

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On  25 Aug 2004  in uk.telecom.broadband,  "Zebedee"  wrote:

>BT decreed that 500 must want broadband before they'll put it in.

'trigger levels' of the type you suggest were wiped out earlier this year
and it seemed an upgrade to provide ADSL was likely for the majority
of UK exchanges... 
There may still be some exchanges which are classed as "unviable" (I
don't remember the exact reasoning - perhaps the cost of getting a
faster connection to support the exchange)   it will be needed 
anyway for BT's vision of the future of UK comms.  Peter M.

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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:42:52 +0100, "Stuart" <info@brainsys.com>
wrote:

>So as we move gradually back towards a PAYU charging basis - at least the
>(now unsubsidised) price has not increased!

   That depends upon whether you are on an "Office" connection, where
a 2Mbps line has just gone up by 33%.

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"Jason Clifford" <jason@ukpost.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0408252009100.26400-100000@yeoshua.ukpost.com...
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Black Shuck wrote:
>
> > Any they are still persisting with the �70/�58 setup and charging for
> > modems, while most others are not...
>
> I don't think "most others" are offering ADSL without a connection charge
> or with a free modem. The big players are but you need to be careful about
> such "generousity" and it is usually based upon them recouping that
> initial cost from you in other ways - ie higher subscriptions over a
> longer minimum term.

Pipex is �23.44 a month for 512k unlimited, free modem, free activation.  12
month contract.  So that's �1.50 more than Plus Net or 18 quid extra in that
first year.  After that you could 'switch for free' to PlusNet.  Overall
you've saved about 80 quid.

I was going to go for PlusNet but that 80 quid saving will pay for the
wireless router with the free modem as a backup.

>
> > I used to recommend Plusnet, as they were a decent ISP (they still are)
> > at the best price, but at the moment, I cannot recommend them, knowing
> > that Pipex and the like are offing better value for money.
>
> Whether they are better value for money will depend upon more than just
> the first payment you make.
>
> Don't forget that the ISP will be paying BT £50.00plus VAT for the
> initial connection and, if they provide a free modem, another £10to £5
> for the modem. That £7 0or £8will have to be paid for somehow - either
> in higher monthly charges or by cutting corners in the provision of the
> actual service.
>
> Jason Clifford
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"Peter Crosland" <g6jns@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> > I used to recommend Plusnet, as they were a decent ISP (they still
> > are) at the best price, but at the moment, I cannot recommend them,
> > knowing that Pipex and the like are offing better value for money.
>
> Choosing an ISP largely on the basis of cost, like so many other things,
is
> not a wise move. The reality is that all ISP's have to pay the BT initial
> charges and this has to be passed on to the end user one way or another as
> does the cost of so called free modems.

But if you do compare the Pipex prices to others over the duration of the
contract period, Pipex come out really well.

>
>

"Stuart" <info@brainsys.com> wrote in message
news:2p3fseFfsu53U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Andy M Jenkins" <andy_nfTORIES@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:fLednVZ87t-THbHcRVnygQ@giganews.com...
> > Trent SC wrote:
> > > Shame no-one's doing much about uncapped prices.
> >
> > Took the words right out of my mouth!
>
> On the other hand people who need uncapped connections are the heavy
users.
> Up till now the heavy few were subsidised by the many more 'lite'
customers.
> So as we move gradually back towards a PAYU charging basis - at least the
> (now unsubsidised) price has not increased!
>

I dont understand what use a 2meg connection is for someone who only looks
at 1Gig of webpages a month....

In the netherlands you can get ion excess of 5Meg down 3Meg up connection
for about �30 completley uncapped.... NTL raise their download speed to
1.5Meg but you still cant upload  at a reasonable speed....

Major ChrisB <cgbrannigan-remove-@ntlworld.com> wrote:

[...]

> I dont understand what use a 2meg connection is for someone who only looks
> at 1Gig of webpages a month....

It means you don't need to worry that you can't download large files
near the end of the month when you hit your limit. Or that you'll get
charged extra. 

Remember all those Windows security updates. Sometimes they're quite
small. From time-to-time they can be pretty chunky.

> In the netherlands you can get ion excess of 5Meg down 3Meg up connection
> for about �30 completley uncapped.... 

It depends where you go, I suppose. But XS4all's Power ADSL (2-8 Mbit/s
/ 512-1024 Kbit/s Datatraffic 150 GB) costs 84.95 (Euros) per month.
That's about 57 quid at today's exchange rate. Planet's Advanced ADSL
(4480/704 Kbit/s and fair use policy) is 79.95. That's about 54 quid.

I don't think these prices are terribly low. What's good is that there
is a wide range of products in the market. 

What is even better is that Amsterdam will have a fibre optic network
connecting just about every home and business. AIUI, different providers
will be able to hook up to the network and provide different, competing
services. The Swedes already provide this sort of civic infrastructure
in lots of places. I hope the rest of the world catches up with them.

Regards,

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"One size never fits all"
RFC 1925

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:15:54 +0100, PlusNet Support Team
<jberry@plus.net> wrote:

>In article <9rCdnb96JNbcWrHcRVnyug@giganews.com>, 
>andy_nfTORIES@btopenworld.com says...
>
>> > Nothing on their site about this?
>> 
>> Not yet.  As in the article - it will be tomorrow though.  Take it as a 
>> heads up, and consider migration / regrading if appropriate ;o)
>
>The portal change will be rolled out tomorrow, if you check in the 
>afternoon then we will have the updated content there for people to 
>browse.

Bzzt! 1530 and still old prices. Do I get a free connection for
spotting this?

In MsgID<cgk51c$s7n$1@newsfeed.th.ifl.net> within uk.net.providers,
'Dave' wrote:

>
>"Jason Clifford" <jason@ukpost.com> wrote in message
>news:Pine.LNX.4.44.0408252009100.26400-100000@yeoshua.ukpost.com...
>> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Black Shuck wrote:
>>
>> > Any they are still persisting with the �70/�58 setup and charging for
>> > modems, while most others are not...
>>
>> I don't think "most others" are offering ADSL without a connection charge
>> or with a free modem. The big players are but you need to be careful about
>> such "generousity" and it is usually based upon them recouping that
>> initial cost from you in other ways - ie higher subscriptions over a
>> longer minimum term.
>
>Pipex is �23.44 a month for 512k unlimited, free modem, free activation.  12
>month contract.  So that's �1.50 more than Plus Net or 18 quid extra in that
>first year.  After that you could 'switch for free' to PlusNet.  Overall
>you've saved about 80 quid.

Yes, the  connection fee (I think UKP 58) is the thing that is slowing
me down over plusnet too, I'm sort of holding back and wondering if
they'll follow suit with so many of the other suppliers and waive it.
Apart from that I've heard only good things.

Bah, just checked the supposedly discounted prices, what a load of
bollocks. A 'real' 512K *still* costs 21.99 and 1M is 30 quid. No
discount there that I can see, just chickenfeed to lure the newbies.

-- 
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:42:52 +0100, "Stuart" <info@brainsys.com>
wrote:

>Up till now the heavy few were subsidised by the many more 'lite' customers.

Not 100% true IMHO. Whether I d/l 24/7 or not, my line costs Plusnet
the same. Same with phones, that is why paying per minute is a
rip-off.

It is only if extra capacity needs to be purchased do you come close
to having a point.

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Dave wrote:

> > Choosing an ISP largely on the basis of cost, like so many other things,
> is
> > not a wise move. The reality is that all ISP's have to pay the BT initial
> > charges and this has to be passed on to the end user one way or another as
> > does the cost of so called free modems.
> 
> But if you do compare the Pipex prices to others over the duration of the
> contract period, Pipex come out really well.

What do you think happens when an ISP is spending more on a product than 
it earns from it?

Do you expect that quality of service will continue to be good?

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:48:38 +0100, Jason Clifford <jason@ukpost.com>
wrote:

The whole thing is a con yes they have dropped the price but they have
put up the cost per meg so if you want unlimited download its just
the same as it was last week 

>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Dave wrote:
>
>> > Choosing an ISP largely on the basis of cost, like so many other things,
>> is
>> > not a wise move. The reality is that all ISP's have to pay the BT initial
>> > charges and this has to be passed on to the end user one way or another as
>> > does the cost of so called free modems.
>> 
>> But if you do compare the Pipex prices to others over the duration of the
>> contract period, Pipex come out really well.
>
>What do you think happens when an ISP is spending more on a product than 
>it earns from it?
>
>Do you expect that quality of service will continue to be good?
>
>Jason Clifford

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Samuria wrote:

> The whole thing is a con yes they have dropped the price but they have
> put up the cost per meg so if you want unlimited download its just
> the same as it was last week 

My point isn't about abndwidth charges so much as the fixed BT charges for 
the end user connections and the central pipes.

Many ISPs seem to be charging less than cost - probably on the basis that 
once they have destroyed the competition they can put prices back up to a 
level where there is a profit to be made.

The question then arises as to how long this can carry on without 
degrading the service.

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In article <7lksi0d65fi3obr2fgm65tktreq3evipaa@4ax.com>, 
no_email_here_please@tardis.com says...

> Not 100% true IMHO. Whether I d/l 24/7 or not, my line costs Plusnet
> the same. Same with phones, that is why paying per minute is a
> rip-off.
> 
> It is only if extra capacity needs to be purchased do you come close
> to having a point.

Hi Guy,

This is not true at all with the CBC charging model. All of the accounts 
cost the same at base (using 50:1 contention as an example here) whether 
they are 512K or 1Mb. The major cost of the account is the bandwidth 
that is used over the top - the more you use the less profitable your 
account becomes. This means that there is also a point where your 
account costs more that you pay (assuming you are on one of the premier 
accounts) but this does not apply to that many people so it all balances 
out.

This is why we are able to offer 1Mb for the same price as a £512K 
account - because if you transfer the same amount of data is costs the 
same.

Obviously we don't budget on individual users bandwidth but overall the 
effect is the same.

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In MsgID<MPG.1b9bb321266723329897e3@usenet.plus.net> within
uk.net.providers, 'PlusNet Support Team' wrote:

>In article <7lksi0d65fi3obr2fgm65tktreq3evipaa@4ax.com>, 
>no_email_here_please@tardis.com says...
>
>> Not 100% true IMHO. Whether I d/l 24/7 or not, my line costs Plusnet
>> the same. Same with phones, that is why paying per minute is a
>> rip-off.
>> 
>> It is only if extra capacity needs to be purchased do you come close
>> to having a point.
>
>Hi Guy,
>
[..]

>
>This is why we are able to offer 1Mb for the same price as a �512K 
>account - because if you transfer the same amount of data is costs the 
>same.

It's refreshing to see an ISP whose usenet PR is as straightforward
and down to earth as that. Thank you Josh.

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