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In article <C17D7D.Ay4@demon.co.uk>, gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.144627.2953@lsl.co.uk> snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
> :And you miss the point entirely. The people who advocate a higher limit
> :have also been saying educate people so that they know how to drive safely
> :and considerately. Someone doing so (regardles of the speed limit) would not
> :drive at such speed in the conditions you describe. Indeed I doubt if you'd
> :survive at 50mph, for the circumstances described. So that nullifies that
> :argument, despite the fact that Motorways don't have 'little dips' in them.
> 
> As someone who used to regularly do London to edinburgh by M1/M6, I can assure
> you there *are* places where you come across totally unexpected fog.  However,
> if you want a better argument - pick a 'safe speed' over the limit and tell
> me what happens when you unexpectedly blow a tyre.  Or some kid decides
> to play 'chicken' on the M1 right in front of you, drunk, at 1am...

No problem. The *SAME* thing happens to you as at present when travelling at
60 or 70 mph. Basically thats it, unless a) you're lucky, or b) you're
a rally driver who is used to this happening, and therefore know how to
handle this situation.

As for the kid playing chicken, well that's his/her life in *their* hands,
you'd still be in a right mess at 20mph or 30mph with such an individual,
except that they stand more of a chance of killing the driver at higher
speeds. The driver cannot be held repsonsible for the actions of people
knowingly doing things that are so blatantly stupid, such as playing chicken
whilst drunk or sober.

Funny though, the M6 heads toward Glasgow, why didn't you use the A1? Unless
of course you used the M8/A8.

Graham, please present some coherent argument as to why 71 mph is more
dangerous than 70 mph. 70 mph is a completely arbitary figure. I have not
once asserted it is a safe speed to drive at. I have stated that I believe,
that in some circumstances it is no more dangerous to drive at a higher speed
than 70, than it is to drive at 70. I think the problem you have is that 70mph
is the law, and thus you cannot address 71mph. If the law said that 80 or
90 mph was the maximum speed limit on the motorway, would you still be
arguing this point with me? That is would you be arguing against driving at
71mph?
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