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Started by YTR
Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:56
The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: YTR
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:56
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:56
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THERE IS A CURE FOR POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER, CALL YOUR DOCTOR
TODAY. HAVE YOU GOT WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE THAT CALL??
6000 US Veterans Killed Themselves In 2005
Your New Reality
Friday November 16, 2007
More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one
year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
It's impossible to comprehend the horror that these men and women
experienced, and witnessed, that made them unable to keep living once
they were home from the war. But the story of the 'Malboro Man', James
Blake Miller (see below) provides some insight into life during and
after the war in Iraq for American soldiers.
A report from CBS News exposes some of the appalling statistics of the
homeland carnage :
* In 2005, more than 120 American war veterans took their own lives
each and every week. That is more than double the national US suicide
rate. As a rough rule, for every successful suicide there are usually
three or four who try and fail to kill themselves.
* More than 100,000 vets are seeking help for mental health issues.
* More than 52,000 were trying to get help for PTSD alone. And that's
only the veterans who have come forward.
* Of 90,000 vets returning from Iraq, 28% had mental health problems.
* Vets are 11% of the general population, but make up 25% of the
United States' homeless people.
Note : this story has been corrected after more research and a third
viewing of the CBS News story made clear that it was 6000 veterans of
America's wars since World War 2 who took their own lives in 2005, not
6000 veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. On a first viewing of
the CBS News story, the introduction gives the mistaken impression
that the 6000 veteran suicides figure was related to only veterans of
the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Regardless, it is still a shocking
number of post-war suicides, and considering the high rate of PTSD in
Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, it is only likely to climb higher
unless more help is made available to these veterans.
The infamous 'Malboro Man', James Blake Miller(above) is just one of
the hundreds of thousands of American 'War on Terror' veterans whose
life has fallen apart since returning from the warzone.
Once hailed by the American media, particularly Fox News and
conservative bloggers , as a true American hero, he has now been
abandoned by those who used him as a recruiting tool. He suffers from
PTSD, his marriage fell apart, he has battled the urge to take his own
life.
The lives of the 'Malboro Man' and his photographer, Louis Sinco, who
captured the iconic image image during the Battle Of Fallouja, have
become intertwined once more , years later.
It's a truly remarkable story of survival, slow recovery, the horror
of war and PTSD, and the bond formed by two men who were thrown
together by the rough tide of American history.
Some excerpts, and quotes from Miller, from the story written by
photographer Louis Sinco :
Miller told...how empty and confused he had felt when combat
ended. How he had placed the barrel of an M-16 assault rifle in his
mouth on the outskirts of Fallouja one day, taken a deep breath and
reached for the trigger.
"What made me so special that I deserved to stay here and my
buddies didn't?" Miller asked, speaking of friends who had died. "At
one point, I was almost mad at them. How could my buddies leave me
like that? We came together. We were supposed to leave together. I
don't know how you can disconnect that feeling."
He told us about an event that haunted him. From an observation
post in Fallouja, he had seen a head pop up amid the wreckage of
several cars. It was a free-fire zone. He squinted into his rifle
scope, saw a patch of dark curly hair and squeezed the trigger.
Later, Marines advanced on the scene and found a dead boy, 6 or 7
years old, his curly hair mottled by bits of brain and blood.
There was more, he said -- terrible things he couldn't divulge.
Not now. Maybe never.
As Miller and I drove back to West Virginia, news crackled over
the radio. The Democrats had routed the GOP in the midterm
congressional election. Public sentiment about Iraq had soured, and
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, the architect of the war, was
resigning.
Miller had mixed feelings. "That's good news, I guess," he said.
"But it should've happened a long time ago. Everybody that's dead now.
I mean, what's the point?"
It was Nov. 9, 2006 -- two years after I took the famous picture
of Miller and a year after he left the Marines.
http://infowars.com/articles/military/veterans_6k_vets_suicide_2005.h
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: BE-VA
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:05
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:05
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR <zzzxtyryyetytryey@googlemail.com> wrote: >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. That's a lie.
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: Mr.Smartypants
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:48
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:48
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On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel...@testland.net> wrote: > On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR > > <zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one > >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. > > That's a lie. The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives. Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives. The same thing is happening now. Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it.
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: Paul
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:47
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:47
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"BE-VA" <blackwater-evangelist@testland.net> wrote in message news:srluj3dt4spjr557udtdchik121q19pe49@4ax.com... > On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR > <zzzxtyryyetytryey@googlemail.com> wrote: > >>More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one >>year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. > > > That's a lie. No actually its true.... but ONLY if you include the suicides of ALL veterans in any given year... NOT just the ones that have served in Iraq / Afghanistan. But CBS spins the issue to make it "Look like" returning Vets are killing themselves at a high rate. Veterans as a group have a SLIGHTLY higher rate if suicide than the general public, if you check more than one years figures.... In 2005, for example, in just those 45 states, there were at least 6,256 suicides among those who served in the armed forces. That's 120 each and every week, in just one year. Dr. Steve Rathbun is the acting head of the Epidemiology and Biostatistics Department at the University of Georgia. CBS News asked him to run a detailed analysis of the raw numbers that we obtained from state authorities for 2004 and 2005. It found that veterans were more than twice as likely to commit suicide in 2005 than non-vets. (Veterans committed suicide at the rate of between 18.7 to 20.8 per 100,000, compared to other Americans, who did so at the rate of 8.9 per 100,000.)
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: BE-VA
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:02
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:02
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:48:30 -0800 (PST), "Mr.Smartypants" <bcpg@canada.com> wrote: >On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel...@testland.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR >> >> <zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one >> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. >> >> That's a lie. > > > >The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives. > >Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives. > >The same thing is happening now. > >Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it. That's a lie too. Is there not enough truth in the world for you atheists? Must you always resort to lies to attempt to spread your dooms day propaganda?
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: BE-VA
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:06
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:06
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:47:37 -0600, "Paul" <helomech@neb.rr.com> wrote: > >"BE-VA" <blackwater-evangelist@testland.net> wrote in message >news:srluj3dt4spjr557udtdchik121q19pe49@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR >> <zzzxtyryyetytryey@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>>More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one >>>year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. >> >> >> That's a lie. > > >No actually its true.... but ONLY if you include the suicides of ALL >veterans in any given year... NOT just the ones that have served in Iraq / >Afghanistan. >But CBS spins the issue to make it "Look like" returning Vets are killing >themselves at a high rate. > >Veterans as a group have a SLIGHTLY higher rate if suicide than the general >public, if you check more than one years figures.... > > In 2005, for example, in just those 45 states, there were at least 6,256 >suicides among those who served in the armed forces. That's 120 each and >every week, in just one year. Dr. Steve Rathbun is the acting head of the >Epidemiology and Biostatistics Department at the University of Georgia. CBS >News asked him to run a detailed analysis of the raw numbers that we >obtained from state authorities for 2004 and 2005. It found that veterans >were more than twice as likely to commit suicide in 2005 than non-vets. >(Veterans committed suicide at the rate of between 18.7 to 20.8 per 100,000, >compared to other Americans, who did so at the rate of 8.9 per 100,000.) One could apply the same formula to suicides among homosexuals, dentist or law enforcement officers and see a rate that far exceeds that of veterans. Numbers lie. Some people use numbers to lie.
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: Hertz Donut
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:15
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:15
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"Mr.Smartypants" <bcpg@canada.com> wrote in message news:cfa4cc00-0b8f-4027-8fbf-cd37d639a8f1@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel...@testland.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR >> >> <zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one >> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. >> >> That's a lie. > > > > The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives. > > Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives. > > The same thing is happening now. > > Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it. > You are a pathetic, ignorant cunt. How do you know "what they did"? Do you know that the vast majority of coalition troops have never killed anyone, much less a woman or a child? Do you understand that in a war, collateral damage is a fact of life? Do you know how many women and children were killed in WWII? Have you ever in your life been able to have a rational thought> Honu
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: Mr.Smartypants
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:57
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:57
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On Nov 17, 11:15 pm, "Hertz Donut" <somewh...@outthere.net> wrote: > "Mr.Smartypants" <b...@canada.com> wrote in message > > news:cfa4cc00-0b8f-4027-8fbf-cd37d639a8f1@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel...@testland.net> wrote: > >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR > > >> <zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in one > >> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. > > >> That's a lie. > > > The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives. > > > Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives. > > > The same thing is happening now. > > > Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it. > > You are a pathetic, ignorant cunt. > > How do you know "what they did"? > > Do you know that the vast majority of coalition troops have never killed > anyone, much less a woman or a child? > > Do you understand that in a war, collateral damage is a fact of life? > > Do you know how many women and children were killed in WWII? > > Have you ever in your life been able to have a rational thought> > > Honu- Join up HERO. Go fight in Iraq. Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: Hertz Donut
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:18
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:18
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"Mr.Smartypants" <bcpg@canada.com> wrote in message news:5c962328-ccdf-4227-bee8-c5924804ff80@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 17, 11:15 pm, "Hertz Donut" <somewh...@outthere.net> wrote: >> "Mr.Smartypants" <b...@canada.com> wrote in message >> >> news:cfa4cc00-0b8f-4027-8fbf-cd37d639a8f1@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel...@testland.net> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR >> >> >> <zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in >> >> >one >> >> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. >> >> >> That's a lie. >> >> > The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives. >> >> > Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives. >> >> > The same thing is happening now. >> >> > Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it. >> >> You are a pathetic, ignorant cunt. >> >> How do you know "what they did"? >> >> Do you know that the vast majority of coalition troops have never killed >> anyone, much less a woman or a child? >> >> Do you understand that in a war, collateral damage is a fact of life? >> >> Do you know how many women and children were killed in WWII? >> >> Have you ever in your life been able to have a rational thought> >> >> Honu- > > > > > Join up HERO. > > Go fight in Iraq. > Spent 23 years in the Army. 1 year in Iraq. Wounded twice. What have you doen, ignorant coward? Honu
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: Mr. Smartypants
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:57
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:57
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On Nov 19, 3:18 am, "Hertz Donut" <somewh...@outthere.net> wrote: > "Mr.Smartypants" <b...@canada.com> wrote in message > > news:5c962328-ccdf-4227-bee8-c5924804ff80@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 11:15 pm, "Hertz Donut" <somewh...@outthere.net> wrote: > >> "Mr.Smartypants" <b...@canada.com> wrote in message > > >>news:cfa4cc00-0b8f-4027-8fbf-cd37d639a8f1@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > >> > On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel...@testland.net> wrote: > >> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR > > >> >> <zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in > >> >> >one > >> >> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. > > >> >> That's a lie. > > >> > The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives. > > >> > Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives. > > >> > The same thing is happening now. > > >> > Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it. > > >> You are a pathetic, ignorant cunt. > > >> How do you know "what they did"? > > >> Do you know that the vast majority of coalition troops have never killed > >> anyone, much less a woman or a child? > > >> Do you understand that in a war, collateral damage is a fact of life? > > >> Do you know how many women and children were killed in WWII? > > >> Have you ever in your life been able to have a rational thought> > > >> Honu- > > > Join up HERO. > > > Go fight in Iraq. > > Spent 23 years in the Army. 1 year in Iraq. Wounded twice. > What have you doen, ignorant coward? Refused to attack non-belligerent nations thus making myself NOT a war criminal. Go join up. If you can jabber on here, you can load ammo clips in Iraq or peel spuds. You are pro-war but like most chickenhawks won't go anywhere near the shooting. Maybe you can get posted with your "son". LOL!!! > > Honu- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
Re: The Vets Know Something is Wrong
Author: BE-VA
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:38
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:38
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:57:18 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Smartypants" <bunghole-jonnie@lycos.com> wrote: >On Nov 19, 3:18 am, "Hertz Donut" <somewh...@outthere.net> wrote: >> "Mr.Smartypants" <b...@canada.com> wrote in message >> >> news:5c962328-ccdf-4227-bee8-c5924804ff80@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Nov 17, 11:15 pm, "Hertz Donut" <somewh...@outthere.net> wrote: >> >> "Mr.Smartypants" <b...@canada.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:cfa4cc00-0b8f-4027-8fbf-cd37d639a8f1@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > On Nov 17, 2:05 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel...@testland.net> wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:56:48 -0800 (PST), YTR >> >> >> >> <zzzxtyryyetytr...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >More American US veterans are dying by their own hand back home in >> >> >> >one >> >> >> >year, than have died in battle in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. >> >> >> >> That's a lie. >> >> >> > The naked aggression against Vietnam cost 57,000 Oilnazi lives. >> >> >> > Since then 60,000 Oilnazis took their own lives. >> >> >> > The same thing is happening now. >> >> >> > Can you blame them? They killed women and kids and can't live with it. >> >> >> You are a pathetic, ignorant cunt. >> >> >> How do you know "what they did"? >> >> >> Do you know that the vast majority of coalition troops have never killed >> >> anyone, much less a woman or a child? >> >> >> Do you understand that in a war, collateral damage is a fact of life? >> >> >> Do you know how many women and children were killed in WWII? >> >> >> Have you ever in your life been able to have a rational thought> >> >> >> Honu- >> >> > Join up HERO. >> >> > Go fight in Iraq. >> >> Spent 23 years in the Army. 1 year in Iraq. Wounded twice. >> What have you doen, ignorant coward? >Refused to attack non-belligerent nations thus making myself NOT a war >criminal. "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill Since we already know what you are no response is required.
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