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-=Baja[-|-]Rat=- (-=BajaRat@ix.Nospamnetcom.com=-) wrote:
-> On 15 Oct 1998 20:35:06 GMT, jsc@swamp.oit.gatech.edu (John S. Cronin)
-> wrote:
-> 
-> >-=Baja[-|-]Rat=- (-=BajaRat@ix.Nospamnetcom.com=-) wrote:
-> >> On 15 Oct 1998 14:33:00 GMT, jsc@swamp.oit.gatech.edu (John S. Cronin)

-> >> Somebody ought to sick Bob Barr on your lousy ass, Cronin.
-> >
-> >Sick [sic] is the word for it.  And just what is he supposed to do to
-> >me, anyway?
-> 
-> Correct you, of course.

Correct me how?  The way you stated it sounds like he was supposed to
attack me somehow.  I ain't no Slick Willie who would have to sit there
and take it.  I put Bob Barr in the same category I put you in - he
can kiss my lousy ass.

And what is this great love you have for the Republicans anyway?  Isn't
it the Republicans and their big business buddies who support the H-1B
quota increases, which brings thousands of Chinese, Indians and others
into the US (and California).  Of course, I agree with this particular
decision - it brings educated people to fill vital job needs - exactly
what immigration should do.  However, in general, I consider the Republicans
to be every bit as screwed up and corrupt as the Democrats.
 
-> >> >Oh, don't sell yourself short.  You really don't care about the law,
-> >> >you just want the Mexicans gone.  
-> >> 
-> >> That's for sure, Cronin. And seeing that there are upwards of 5
-> >> million of these stinking parasites here in violation of our laws,
-> >> what's your problem?
-> >
-> >My problem is your attitude.  
-> 
-> Sounds like a personal thing.

Sho'nuff.
 
-> >At least you admit here you don't care
-> >about the law.  
-> 
-> Do you mean that Americans should while Mexicans don't?

If you want to make any pretense that we are in fact better than
them somehow, why, yes, that is exactly what I mean.  Enforce the
law, fine.  Change the law, fine.  Violate the law, you're a criminal,
just like the illegal aliens you so berate.
 
-> >I have no problem with stopping illegal immigration
-> >in some sane fashion.  However, I don't consider mining the border,
-> >putting up lethal electric fence and nuking Mexico to be sane.  
-> 
-> Whatever works, Cronin. It's results that count.

Brilliant comment, as usual.  The Final Solution.  Whatever works.
And you wonder why folks call you a Nazi.  Arbeit macht frei.
 
-> >And
-> >I don't think you really care about or differentiate between the ones
-> >who are here legally (even citizens) and the ones who are "here in
-> >violation of our laws".
-> 
-> Your opinion is about as cheap as a bag of Vidalias.

And still worth every bit as much as yours, amazingly enough.

-> >And liberals of any sort, and definitely Jews, and Germans (immigrant
-> >or not), and Italians, and so on.  Your recollection is quite poor.
-> 
-> I really have little regard for economic refugees from anywhere,
-> Cronin.

I don't think you have much regard for anybody.  Which is fine, because
I have none for you.
 
-> >I thought about it, and then wished I hadn't.  So what you are saying,
-> >is that you are being discriminated against by not being allowed to
-> >violate the law.  
-> 
-> Look at it this way, Cronin. There isn't an illegal alien on U.S. soil
-> that has not flouted the law. Our government isn't enforcing one of
-> the most important laws on the books. Now, what do you expect will
-> come of this after a while?

Let's see - without having to export all of our manufacturing, because
we will have plenty of cheap labor here, perhaps we may become even more
economically dominant than we are now.  One possible scenario.

Civil war in the USA, with American citizen against American citizen,
because a bunch of vigilantes begin hunting Mexican illegal aliens
in the desert (and probably killing a bunch of citizens, because they
"looked Mexican").  Another possible scenario.

Effective enforcement of immigration laws, and effective reform of
immigration laws.  Another possible scenario.

War with Mexico, resulting in some Mexicans who support the US side,
and then, when the USA wins the border skirmish, it's not fair to
leave the Mexicans who supported the USA in Mexico, so we grant them
all asylum (don't tell me this can't happen, it seems it has happened
in the last few wars we fought).  Another possible scenario.
 
-> >You are even more convoluted than I remember.  Sure,
-> >let's go to anarchy.  Then you can set up your demented utopia, except
-> >for the fact that most people are NOT going to agree with you, and without
-> >protection of law, you will probably be killed if you rant and carry on
-> >like you do now.
-> 
-> If we don't get rid of these parasites that is likely to be the case,
-> Cronin.

It's likely to be the case even if we do if you eliminate effective law
and order in your quest to "get rid of these parasites".  Who determines
who is a parasite?  I sure don't think you want me to do it (you won't
be around long) and I sure don't want it to be you - so who?  US citizens?
A lot of them in your area are of Mexican origin - would you deprive them
of the right to vote in this matter?  If so, how is that any more wrong
than them somehow depriving *YOU* of any right to vote in this matter?
[I'm sure you'll explain it to me]
 
-> >> >And I don't say to American citizens "You should be deported".
-> >> 
-> >> You can say whatever you want.
-> >
-> >Yes, and by what I say you can make judgements about me.  As you have.
-> >As I do about you.
-> 
-> First amendment. I am not a Mexican.
 
No, in many ways you would need to improve a lot to be a Mexican.

-> >[oops - stuff about Mexicans committing more crimes in the USA than
-> > all USA citizens combined]
-> >
-> >> >> citizens combined do in a month.
-> >> >
-> >> >I defy you to prove that statement.  Not that I think the truth is terribly
-> >> >important to you.
-> >> 
-> >> Now let's see here. If there are 5 million Mexican nationals on our
-> >> soil illegally every day, and a portion of those varmints do other
-> >> things (like steal jobs), well, you're a Georgia techie. You figure it
-> >> out.
-> >
-> >Oh, OK, I thought you meant crimes like violence and such.  But OK, even
-> >if you count EVERY single petty crime, I say it still doesn't add up.  Even
-> >if you count EACH NEW DAY of illegal presence here as a DIFFERENT crime
-> >(I really don't think that's quite legit, but I'm gonna give it to you),
-> >then I still say that there are so many more *AMERICAN CITIZENS* here doing
-> >things like speeding, parking illegally, smoking dope, buying beer on Sunday,
-> 
-> ....that's illegal? Well, it is in Thunderbolt and Savannah. But it's a
-> short drive to South Carolina, eh?  Do you think that immigrating
-> illegally en masse is the same as buying beer in Thunderbolt on
-> Sunday? Sheesh. You're lost, pal.
-> 
-> >betting on football games, running stop signs, changing lanes in intersections,
-> >failing to come to a complete stop at the stop sign, driving without insurance,
-> >driving without a license, etc, that the AMERICAN CITIZENS are still committing
-> >more crimes than the illegally present Mexican nationals.  I figured it out,
-> >you are just plain wrong.  Of course, I'm cheating, I knew that a long time
-> >ago.
-> 
-> Every illegal alien is a criminal to begin with. Now let's say the
-> illegal (probably a sleazy Mexican) is driving without insurance. Or
-> working illegally. Or carrying false documents. Is that OK with you?

No, but it still doesn't add up to more Mexican nationals committing crimes
in the USA than American citizens do.  This is *EXACTLY* what I am talking
about when I mention your purely fabricated "facts".  Except you said you
you don't fabricate facts about the "Mexipest Invasion".  So how do you
define a fact?  It seems to me you define a fact as anything you decide
to state as the truth, no matter how stupid what you state is.
 
-> >> Come on out to Chatham Co. sometime.
-> >> Perhaps we can do lunch on Tybee, eh? <heh heh>.
-> >
-> >Sure, no problem.  A four hour drive.  I was there last May.  When
-> >should we meet?
-> 
-> I'll let you know.... may have something going out around St. Simons
-> shortly.

I await with breathless anticipation.
 
-> >Actually, I would think you (who give rats a bad name, by the way)
-> >would like central Georgia - outside of the Atlanta metro area, there
-> >are hardly any immigrants in central Georgia at all.
-> 
-> This rat prefers the islands if that's OK by you.

It's fine with me, actually.  The farther away from me you are, the
better off I am.  Just stay over 2,000 miles away in fact, if you
really care what's OK by me (don't bother to say you don't, I know
that's the case).
 
-> >> >I know it is painful and
-> >> >frightening for you to give up the wonderful anonymity of the Internet
-> >> >and risk real life confrontation.  
-> >> 
-> >> With you? He he he he.....
-> >
-> >None other.  You know how to find me - phone number and place of employment
-> >in every post.
-> 
-> Sheer lunacy, Cronin.

Why?  Because I let people know who I am when I say something, so they will
know I really stand behind it.  I don't believe that I am the lunatic in
this particular conversation.
 
-> >> >So much easier to hide behind the
-> >> >protection of the Internet and endlessly hurl insults, isn't it?  Just
-> >> >like a Rat to creep fearfully about in the dark, que no?
-> >> 
-> >> Keep an eye on CNN..... you may see a rat there soon :-D
-> >
-> >Oh, I can hardly wait.  If I miss it, be sure to post a reminder so I
-> >can look for it on their web page.
-> 
-> To be sure.

I knew you would.

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