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Article #1242Re: Keep Elian from the brainwashing in Havana Re: Elian: Send The Boy Home!
From: Ivan Gowch
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:00
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:00
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On Wed, 17 May 2000 16:19:24 GMT, Ivan Zlatnik <soylentgrn@hotmail.com> wrote: ==>In article <3922a250.2364276@news.ican.net>, ==> Ivan Gowch <gowch@SPAMMENOThotmail.com> wrote: ==>> ==> And WACO did not have to end that way. ==>> ==>> No argument here, either. I've never understood why the FBI didn't ==>> simply wait the Waco wackos out. Their food was going to run out ==>> sooner or later and, as crazy as they were, I doubt if they were ==>> prepared to engage in cannibalism. ==>The FBI did not wait the wackos out becacause ==> ==>1. the feds had a search warrant...it really isn't up to the subject of ==>the warrant to decide when to comply Let's keep the chronology straight: It was the BATF who had the warrant. The FBI came in response to the shooting of the BATF agents, so they didn't need a warrant, and it was the FBI that was in charge during the siege. ==>2. the BDs had food in there to last a long time...over a year How do you know this? Certainly not from the rubble that remained after the fire. Did they have a year's supply of water, too? An indoor well? In any case, nothing would have been lost by simply waiting, other than a few bucks. ==>3. from experience, the feds knew that people under siege have a habit ==>of destroying evidence You're kidding, right? The siege had lasted for 51 days already. If the Davidians wanted to "destroy evidence," that evidence would have been long gone before the FBI decided to knock down the walls. ==>4. the BDs were led by a man believed to have apocalyptic visions and ==>they would do themselves (and the children) in if left to it It's only speculation whether that fear motivated the FBI to act. ==>5. if you remember the situation there, armed wackos of various flavors ==>had begun to congregate at the site...many of whom wanted to enter the ==>compound and join the BDs to help fight off the black helicopters. As I recall, the FBI was keeping everybody --- even the media -- a good distance from the compound. If there were "armed wackos" coming around, they didn't figure into the equation. - Ivan Gowch <gowch@hotmail.com>
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 115469,7f073e921835d714 X-Google-Attributes: gid115469,public X-Google-Thread: 101049,7f073e921835d714 X-Google-Attributes: gid101049,public X-Google-Thread: fb785,a8398a72aed6996e X-Google-Attributes: gidfb785,public From: Ivan Gowch <gowch@SPAMMENOThotmail.com> Subject: Re: Keep Elian from the brainwashing in Havana Re: Elian: Send The Boy Home! Date: 2000/05/18 Message-ID: <3923f5f4.2846714@news.ican.net> X-Deja-AN: 625078352 References: <8c3hoh$23o8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <38E6DE70.40A34EBE@nospam.com> <390BA851.E0E53C@bellsouth.net> <390C20F7.A71BCC6D@bellsouth.net> <hamilton-3004001114060001@host-209-214-117-127.bna.bellsouth.net> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004301143010.23433-100000@spock.peak.org> <hamilton-3004001440300001@host-209-214-119-149.bna.bellsouth.net> <390CC716.D44@hotmail.nospamcom> <hamilton-3004001759250001@host-209-214-116-35.bna.bellsouth.net> <390D7B4F.4C8D@hotmail.nospamcom> <hamilton-0105000807000001@host-209-214-119-82.bna.bellsouth.net> <391ABA5D.BF39DD93@gats-inc.com> <391B3405.4F2018F1@earthlink.net> <391B8629.2781E494@clark.net> <8fh1n8$t4n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8fhgep$da4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8fhk7b$i0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391cb638.130810001@news.ican.net> <391fe186_1@news.provide.net> <3920246c.10702966@news.ican.net> <39208353_1@news.provide.net> <3921572d.62530181@news.ican.net> <8frrcv$dgn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3922a250.2364276@news.ican.net> <8fugpp$e8b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news1.tor.primus.ca 958672898 216.254.151.105 (Thu, 18 May 2000 14:01:38 EDT) Organization: Words by Gowch, Inc. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:01:38 EDT Newsgroups: va.general,dc.general,soc.culture.cuba