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Article #1259Re: Keep Elian from the brainwashing in Havana Re: Elian: Send The Boy Home!
From: Ivan Gowch
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:00
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:00
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On Mon, 15 May 2000 19:07:20 -0400, "James Doemer" <bigtoe@provide.net> wrote: ==>Just as a scenario, consider the possibility that someone on the BATF/FBI, ==>say an inexperienced new agent, a bit trigger happy, and a bit scared, fired ==>the first shot. Would a person, not even considering the Branch Davidians ==>for a second, but just any person, be availed of the right of self defense ==>in that case? The issue of self-defence is hardly relevant here. The fact is that it's stupid beyond belief -- suicidal, in fact -- to engage a heavily armed force of government gunmen in a firefight. You may have right on your side; you may the law on your side; you may have God on your side, but the fact is that if you shoot it out with government troops you're almost certain to end up dead. Governments seldom back down in these circumstances, and there's a never-ending supply of armed agents that can be sent into the fray. Faced with that kind of situation, anyone who's not certifiably insane will surrender peacefully and let the lawyers argue it out later. Martyrdom may be romantic, but it's so damned permanent. - Ivan Gowch <gowch@hotmail.com>
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 115469,7f073e921835d714 X-Google-Attributes: gid115469,public X-Google-Thread: 101049,7f073e921835d714 X-Google-Attributes: gid101049,public X-Google-Thread: fb785,a8398a72aed6996e X-Google-Attributes: gidfb785,public From: Ivan Gowch <gowch@SPAMMENOThotmail.com> Subject: Re: Keep Elian from the brainwashing in Havana Re: Elian: Send The Boy Home! Date: 2000/05/16 Message-ID: <3921572d.62530181@news.ican.net> X-Deja-AN: 624082237 References: <8c3hoh$23o8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> <38E6DE70.40A34EBE@nospam.com> <390BA851.E0E53C@bellsouth.net> <390C20F7.A71BCC6D@bellsouth.net> <hamilton-3004001114060001@host-209-214-117-127.bna.bellsouth.net> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10004301143010.23433-100000@spock.peak.org> <hamilton-3004001440300001@host-209-214-119-149.bna.bellsouth.net> <390CC716.D44@hotmail.nospamcom> <hamilton-3004001759250001@host-209-214-116-35.bna.bellsouth.net> <390D7B4F.4C8D@hotmail.nospamcom> <hamilton-0105000807000001@host-209-214-119-82.bna.bellsouth.net> <391A3BB2.E7D892C2@olg.com> <391ABA5D.BF39DD93@gats-inc.com> <391B3405.4F2018F1@earthlink.net> <391B8629.2781E494@clark.net> <8fh1n8$t4n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8fhgep$da4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8fhk7b$i0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <391cb638.130810001@news.ican.net> <391fe186_1@news.provide.net> <3920246c.10702966@news.ican.net> <39208353_1@news.provide.net> X-Complaints-To: news@primus.ca X-Trace: news1.tor.primus.ca 958487177 216.254.155.16 (Tue, 16 May 2000 10:26:17 EDT) Organization: Words by Gowch, Inc. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:26:17 EDT Newsgroups: va.general,dc.general,soc.culture.cuba