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"Ivan Zlatnik" <soylentgrn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <8fhk7b$i0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   big_toe_1@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In article <8fhgep$da4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> >   Ivan Zlatnik <soylentgrn@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <8fh1n8$t4n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > >   big_toe_1@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > > Actually, _after_ the Barbeque there was in fact a great deal of
> > > sworn
> > > > > testimony indicating that exactly this sort of thing was going
> on,
> > > > > including testimony by alleged victims.
> > > >
> > > > There were four girls that testified.  Even at that time, their
> > > > testimony was inconsistent with known facts.   Since that time,
> > three
> > > > of the girls recanted their testimony and cited pressure from
> agents
> > > > for making the testimony in the first place.   One of the girls
> > later
> > > > submitted to a medical exam, her hymen was still in place and
> > > > unbroken.  This renders all of the testimony highly suspect, if
> not
> > > > invalid.
> > >
> > > The "blame Janet Reno-types" frequently cite the four girls.  What
> > they
> > > don't mention is that these girls are not the primary source of
> > > information on this subject.
> > >
> > > Currently, a primary source of the information that Koresh fathered
> > > about a dozen children
> >
> > This has been said, but yet, none of the children have ever been
> > located.
>
> The fact that David Koresh said that he wasn't going to release the
> rest of the children from the compound because they were all
> his "biological descendents"...and then said on the videotape that he
> had fathered a bunch of children by teen mothers would seem to be
> reason to believe that he may have done so.

But without the physical evidence, what we have is the rantings of a
nutcase.   None of the girls that originally testified said that they gave
birth to any of his children.    And, according to the testimony of the
survivors, none of the children that were killed were Koresh's biological
children.     Didn't Jesus also run around saying, "My children"??


>
> > Personally, all the evidence I've seen, including the video, would not
> > have stood up in a court of law.   But, at the time, truth was
> obscured
> > by the FBI/BATF trying to cover their asses, and by the adult
> witnesses
> > trying to escape prosecution.
>
> The fact that the evidence against OJ didn't stand up in a court of law
> does not change a lot of opinions about how his wife met her end.
>

But that's what you need, evidence that will stand up in a court of law.
Opinions, while fun to bandy about, is not evidence.

> > Which wasn't true.  They were federally licensed for each and every
> > weapon in the compound.  Including the grenade shells and grenade
> cores
> > that they had stored seperately, as per federal guidelines.   That's a
> > little fact that keeps escaping notice unfortunately.
>
> Please post the names of the residents of the compound who were
> registered by the ATF to manufacture/own automatic weapons, silencers,
> or grenades.
>

David Koresh for one.


> > David Koresh
> > was arrested 23 month prior to this incident for the same charges,
> > brought in and his licenses were scutinized quite closely.  He was
> > released with an apology.
> >
> > >Statutory rape is not a federal offense.
> >
> > Either way, you have to prove statutory rape in order to
> > convict for statutory rape.
>
> No one is trying Koresh for anything.  Ex-cult members said Koresh had
> sex with underage girls...

Three of which later recanted.

> David Koresh said he had sex with underage
> girls.  Therefore it is not entirely unreasonable to think that David
> Koresh had sex with underage girls.  I don't see what your problem is.

That you have no real proof or evidence?   Where are the children?   Why did
three of the witnesses later recant?    Why the big cover-up of the FBI/BATF
activites?    Why did the FBI lab need to fabricate evidence?

>
> > Consider the posibility that there were no victims, and that the
> > BATF/FBI may have started circulating those rumors themselves when the
> > first arrest went sour on them.
>
> Ok, I'll consider it... no, you're still wrong.  If it is your position
> that David Koresh was claiming to have sex with underage girls because
> he wanted to circulate a rumor started by federal agents, that is a new
> one.  Maybe he was making these claims because it made him seem
> more "studly."
>

Who knows what goes on in the mind of a mad man?