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"John Henry" <johnshenry@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
news:3A8BEC52.155A3550@sprintmail.com...

> And BTW, I don't consider a high beam flash as a personal attack.

Of course not, there has to be some way to communicate with other drivers,
and it's less distracting than the horn.

> But most people don't want to be bothered with having to change lanes,
signal,
> etc.  They just would rather sit in the left lane and stay there.  Some
could
> care less who is behind them, some will move over only if someone comes up
> behind them, some a$$holes will speed up if you try to pass them on the
right.
>
> Its all about courtesy and consideration (as is turn signal use, if you
think
> about it).
>
> "Passing" does have some grey areas.  There is pass approaching,
overtaking and
> clearing.  People's definitions of the length and duration of each of
these
> differs.  My approach nd clears tend to be very short.  Some people will
just
> rationalize that if theirs are long enough, it warrants them to just stay
in the
> left lane as they are technically "approaching" that minivan 300 yds down
the
> road...
>
>
> >
> > > > I've found my blood pressure
> > > > doesn't rise as much when I read things I disagree with in an
objective
> > > > point of view.
> > >
> > > Interestingly, my blood pressure doesn't rise a third as much when I
> > *encounter*
> > > people who can't understand lane use concepts on the road as much as
it
> > does
> > > when I see people actually post things like "I'd be right pissed if
I'm
> > crawling
> > > at 30mph on the right lane, and the left is open."
> > >
> > > If I come across as a raging driver who fumes behind left lane
squatters
> > and
> > > considers violent retaliation, I assure you I am not.  99% of the time
I
> > just
> > > swing right and pass.  Most often the rightmost lane is EMPTY around
here.
> >
> > Lane squatters are a significant problem.  If I'm in the left lane, and
> > someones closing up on me (which is seldom, as I don't tend to go slow
as it
> > is), I'll move over to let him through, then go back to where I was.
Not a
> > problem.
>
> But go back to where you were, ie in the left lane, when you aren't
passing
> anyone?  If so, you are part of the problem.  People need to think of that
> passing lane as though it is one with oncoming traffic.  You don't stay
there
> unless you NEED to be there.

And if the lane is clear, I see absolutely no reason why I shouldn't use it.

> > > > 'm sure you'll disagree with me when you're done (as our
> > > > viewpoints obviously differ),
> > >
> > > I will.
> > >
> > > > but you can at least do so after actually
> > > > having read what I posted instead of looking for an excuse to whine.
> > > >
> > > "Keep right except to pass" is the law in every state that I have
lived
> > in.
> > > Five simple words, not nuclear physics.  If you aren't passing
someone,
> > move
> > > right.  That's all.  No more complicated than that.  For life of me I
> > can't see
> > > why some folks just can't grasp this concept.  Many can, but just
don't
> > think
> >
> > It's not that we don't grasp the concept, or can't follow the law, it's
that
> > we don't agree with the law (and yes, where it's the law, I think it
should
> > be followed, but I also don't think it should be law in the first
place).
>
> Understood.  I don't agree with the speed limit laws in many places.  Put
the
> lane use laws were designed not to generate revenue, but to ensure smooth,
and
> effective use of all lanes where vehicles are traveling at differing
speeds.
> What part of that don't you agree with?

I don't see it as an effective use of all lanes.  First of all, for those
traveling faster, it requres constantly changing speed and lanes to go back
into the right lane when they're just going to be in the left lane again.
Second, I doubt the benefits of restricting lane usage.

> > > that it applies to them.  Or assert that *they* choose what lane they
will
> > > travel in.  It is a PASSING lane, not a travel lane.  Not an "I'm
going
> > fast
> > > enough" lane.  <sigh>
> >
> > If there are too few lanes, that needs to be re-examined.
>
> To some degree.  I agree it begins to get unreasonable when traffic
*density*
> gets to a certain (very high) threshold.  But a practice, the left lane
should
> be reserved for passing *everywhere* and every driver should embrace that.

Ve haf vays of making you stay in the left lane.

> > > I concur with those folks who talked about driving in Europe.  I go
their
> > often
> > > on business and usually over weekends drive a LOT.  You can see lane
> > discipline
> > > work over there.  Why?  Because it is the law?  No, (its the law here
> > too),
> > > because it is taught and enforced, that is why.  Dawdle in the left
lane
> > in
> > > Germany and watch a 5000 lb Benz approach you at 150 mph in your
rearview.
> > > You'll rethink your views on using another "travel" lane.
> >
> > If I can't handle doing the 150 that the lane's going, I shouldn't be in
> > that lane.
> >
>
> <sigh>
>
> We're still not there.  It has *nothing* to do with "how fast that lane is
> going!!! Or if you can "handle" the 150 mph!!! It is not the 150mph lane!!
it is
> the PASSING lane!!!!  If you are going 17  mph, but still passing other
cars,
> you have every right to be there.  How hard is that to understand!?

That's not very effective use of the lanes.

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