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sanjian wrote:

> "John Henry" <johnshenry@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3A8A9CC8.FA1EAC48@sprintmail.com...
>
> > > Well, once you've fished your head out of your ass, maybe you can go and
> > > actually read what I posted, and my points.
> >
> > I have read every one.....
>
> And yet you still posted as you did.  If you had read and understood them,
> you should have responded to the objections I posted, instead of exploding.
>
> Here's what I see happening.  I'm on I-64 heading up to Williamsburg.
> Traffic is slow, and I want to get around.  The left lane is open, so I
> slide over into it.  Now, I can either hop from car to car, sliding into
> every opening, and then immediatly back out (something like a touch and go),
> or I can continue in the left lane for quite a while.  Now, the cops pull me
> over for driving in the left lane, as I've driven too far to just be
> passing.

Highly dependent on the space between each of the cars.  My rule is that if
there is no one behind me, and the spacing is 100yds or more, I will pop in and
out, signaling each time.  If for nothing else to demonstrate to the other
drivers that I respect the left lane.

If someone is reasonably close behind me, I will pop into a much shorter gap,
but expect them to step on it and come past.  If they don't, I'll probably pull
back out in front of them as I reach the end of the gap and next time won't pull
over unless the gap is very large.

And BTW, I don't consider a high beam flash as a personal attack.

But most people don't want to be bothered with having to change lanes, signal,
etc.  They just would rather sit in the left lane and stay there.  Some could
care less who is behind them, some will move over only if someone comes up
behind them, some a$$holes will speed up if you try to pass them on the right.

Its all about courtesy and consideration (as is turn signal use, if you think
about it).

"Passing" does have some grey areas.  There is pass approaching, overtaking and
clearing.  People's definitions of the length and duration of each of these
differs.  My approach nd clears tend to be very short.  Some people will just
rationalize that if theirs are long enough, it warrants them to just stay in the
left lane as they are technically "approaching" that minivan 300 yds down the
road...


>
> > > I've found my blood pressure
> > > doesn't rise as much when I read things I disagree with in an objective
> > > point of view.
> >
> > Interestingly, my blood pressure doesn't rise a third as much when I
> *encounter*
> > people who can't understand lane use concepts on the road as much as it
> does
> > when I see people actually post things like "I'd be right pissed if I'm
> crawling
> > at 30mph on the right lane, and the left is open."
> >
> > If I come across as a raging driver who fumes behind left lane squatters
> and
> > considers violent retaliation, I assure you I am not.  99% of the time I
> just
> > swing right and pass.  Most often the rightmost lane is EMPTY around here.
>
> Lane squatters are a significant problem.  If I'm in the left lane, and
> someones closing up on me (which is seldom, as I don't tend to go slow as it
> is), I'll move over to let him through, then go back to where I was.  Not a
> problem.

But go back to where you were, ie in the left lane, when you aren't passing
anyone?  If so, you are part of the problem.  People need to think of that
passing lane as though it is one with oncoming traffic.  You don't stay there
unless you NEED to be there.

>
>
> > > 'm sure you'll disagree with me when you're done (as our
> > > viewpoints obviously differ),
> >
> > I will.
> >
> > > but you can at least do so after actually
> > > having read what I posted instead of looking for an excuse to whine.
> > >
> > "Keep right except to pass" is the law in every state that I have lived
> in.
> > Five simple words, not nuclear physics.  If you aren't passing someone,
> move
> > right.  That's all.  No more complicated than that.  For life of me I
> can't see
> > why some folks just can't grasp this concept.  Many can, but just don't
> think
>
> It's not that we don't grasp the concept, or can't follow the law, it's that
> we don't agree with the law (and yes, where it's the law, I think it should
> be followed, but I also don't think it should be law in the first place).

Understood.  I don't agree with the speed limit laws in many places.  Put the
lane use laws were designed not to generate revenue, but to ensure smooth, and
effective use of all lanes where vehicles are traveling at differing speeds.
What part of that don't you agree with?

>
>
> > that it applies to them.  Or assert that *they* choose what lane they will
> > travel in.  It is a PASSING lane, not a travel lane.  Not an "I'm going
> fast
> > enough" lane.  <sigh>
>
> If there are too few lanes, that needs to be re-examined.

To some degree.  I agree it begins to get unreasonable when traffic *density*
gets to a certain (very high) threshold.  But a practice, the left lane should
be reserved for passing *everywhere* and every driver should embrace that.

>
> > I concur with those folks who talked about driving in Europe.  I go their
> often
> > on business and usually over weekends drive a LOT.  You can see lane
> discipline
> > work over there.  Why?  Because it is the law?  No, (its the law here
> too),
> > because it is taught and enforced, that is why.  Dawdle in the left lane
> in
> > Germany and watch a 5000 lb Benz approach you at 150 mph in your rearview.
> > You'll rethink your views on using another "travel" lane.
>
> If I can't handle doing the 150 that the lane's going, I shouldn't be in
> that lane.
>

<sigh>

We're still not there.  It has *nothing* to do with "how fast that lane is
going!!! Or if you can "handle" the 150 mph!!! It is not the 150mph lane!! it is
the PASSING lane!!!!  If you are going 17  mph, but still passing other cars,
you have every right to be there.  How hard is that to understand!?

I give up.




>

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