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Article #31Re: No 64-bit OpenVMS soon?
From: Christopher T. Day
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:44
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:44
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In article <C19M1B.KHM@dscomsa.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: |> In article <1993Jan20.001847.1807@eco.twg.com>, reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. |> Pollack) writes: |> |> |>In article <C13yJK.CMJ@dscomsa.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill |> |>Hallam-Baker) writes: |> |>|>What matters a damn sight less than a 64 bit O/S is a 64 bit database. When |> |>will |> |>|>Rdb be 64 bit is the real question. |> |> |> |>Not being sarcastic in the least, what part of RDB needs to be 64 bit? |> |>Expanding the address space from 32 to 64 bits is not in itself going |> |>to make things better, unless the application is starved for memory. |> |>Remember that Alpha/VMS doesn't suffer from the Vax/VMS 512Mb physical |> |>memory limitation, even though any single process is still limited to |> |>a 2Gb virtual address space. |> |> Each of our events is approx 100Kb |> |> We take 10 million of them per second. |> |> Even with filtering we take Terabytes of data per month. |> |> 2Gb is small beans, we will be getting machines with that sort of memory within |> the next few years. The successor machine to ZEUS will be producing 2 GB |> events. |> |> |> |>|>Although it would be handy to do big transfers of data - the VMS 64K limit |> |>is |> |>|>far too small, this is not essential yet. It will become essential once |> |>alphas |> |>|>start operating with a 64K page size though! |> |> |> |>The limitiation of I/Os to 64Kb was lifted quite some time ago. The VAX/VMS |> |>I/O User's Reference Manual: Part 1 for VAX/VMS V4.4 states: |> |> |> |>"Non-DSA disk devices can read or write up to 65.535 bytes in a single |> |> request. DSA devices connected to an HSC50 can transfer up to 4 billion |> |> bytes in a single request. In all cases, the maximum size of the transfer |> |> is limited by the number of pages which can be faulted into the process's |> |> working set and then locked into memory." |> |> |> |>The relevant fields of the IRP were expanded to 32 bits during the V3 -> V4 |> |>enhancements. |> |> Read the device driver manual and look at the format of the QIO. The 16 bit |> length is hard coded in there. |> |> What I would like to do is to read in single events with single reads. |> |> -- |> |> Phill Hallam-Baker Hmmm, it's been awhile since I've looked at this, but I thought the 16-bit QIO field was a transfer count of _things_, not necessarily bytes. The driver could convert that number to a larger one for the IRP's 32-bit field. Chris Day
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!randolf!ctday From: ctday@randolf.lbl.gov (Christopher T. Day) Newsgroups: vmsnet.alpha,comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: No 64-bit OpenVMS soon? Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:44:16 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA Lines: 67 Distribution: world Message-ID: <28581@dog.ee.lbl.gov> References: <1993Jan15.194312.3438@sol.UVic.CA> <1993Jan18.172458.24506@eco.twg.com> <1993Jan18.211506.27601@oracle.pnl.gov> <1jg5msINN1mk@manuel.anu.edu.au> <C13yJK.CMJ@dscomsa.desy.de> <1993Jan20.001847.1807@eco.twg.com> <C19M1B.KHM@dscomsa.desy.de> Reply-To: ctday@randolf.lbl.gov (Christopher T. Day) NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.196.7