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In article <1992Oct2.133612.704@cmkrnl.com>, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
> Source listings on fiche or mag tape are no longer available. 

  Right. The last set issued, as far as I know, was for 5.4-3. Of course, the
index has been utterly wrong since 5.1. Alan Frisbie single-handedly waged a
major battle to get the fiche re-issued with the correct indexing, and finally
won. I'll let him relate the story if he chooses to...

> I wouldn't say so.  Getting your local sales critter to even admit that such
> things exist can be difficult.  "Oh, no, we don't sell listings."  This is
> especially painful since a lot of us in DECUS went to a lot of trouble to
> convince DEC to offer the machine-readable listings kit... and they may well
> withdraw it if it doesn't sell well... and it won't sell very well if the sales
> dweebs won't admit that it exists! 

  Well, I haven't had any problems. When V4.whatever (4.5, I think) came out
with the "you have to pay for this if you want it" bit for fiche, I called and
read them the part number. That worked until the big price jump (at contract
renewal, I got hit around 5.3) at which time they noted that fiche would be
discontinued and we'd have to switch to CD. Again, I called up and gave them
the part number.

  I don't think the local offices will do any better or worse with listings
than anything else, provided you give them the part number. Also, I doubt that
thet could do the right thing for simple stuff, like VAX BASIC.

  [This isn't a dig at my local folks, who are as good as I'd wish. However,
I have been to the local office and watched them enter my contract into the
system, only to have it generate a renewal hallucination which got it all
wrong... Strange.

  BTW, they will always master CD's for the CSC - that's where the fiche went
to, and when the CSC switched to CD, so did everybody else.

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