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5 total messages Started by Samuel Scott Patterson Thu, 07 Jan 1993 07:14
Unibus Serial port problems
#270
Author: Samuel Scott Patterson
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 07:14
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This didn't seem to get through the first time so here it is again..
Hello,

     I need some help with my PDP-11/34a.  I am trying to hook up the 
M7856 card which the serial port/real time clock card.  But I don't know
what the jumper settings on it should be.  My system behaves fine until I
plug it into any Unibus slot (Yes, I plug it into the most foreward
position in the machine).  After I put it in and turn my machine on,
the RUN lamp comes on and stays on.  When I press HALT or LAD or 
anything else, the BUS ERROR lamp comes on and the RUN lamp goes off.
     If I remove the card and restart the system, the system works fine,
what's wrong!?
     I know that the M7856 requires the bus grant jumper on the backplace,
as would an open space.  So that shouldn't be the problem.  Is it possible
that the real time clock is screwing it up?  I vaguely remember that if
you only have more than one M7856 in the machine, only one clock should
be enabled.  However, this is the only one in my machine.  In fact, the
only things in my machine are the two processor boards, the RAM board,
the console board, the bus terminator, and bus grant cards.  Is it 
possible that the memory address on the M7856 is coliding with one of
those? 
     Lastly, I really need to know the DIP settings for the board.
I want to set it up as 9600B, No Parity, 8 Data, 1 Stop, and how to 
set the address of the card.  Should it be at a specific address or
merely an unused one?
     Any help with be very greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance!

						-Scott
11/34a problem (was serial port problem)
#273
Author: Gadget
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 03:42
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sspatter@netcom.com (Samuel Scott Patterson) writes:

>     I need some help with my PDP-11/34a.  I am trying to hook up the 
(etc. read the original!)
>the RUN lamp comes on and stays on.  When I press HALT or LAD or 
>anything else, the BUS ERROR lamp comes on and the RUN lamp goes off.

I am having exactlt the same problem with my 11/34a. The only thing is I 
hadn't tried eliminating the 7859 (RL-11 V? (Sorry, I'm not currently 
living with my machine)) to fix it. I have two of the
machines (One with the extended console) and both of them have this problem.
I also have the friend who is also having the same problem. It seems to me
that this must be a fairly basic mistake we are making with the machines.
Any hints?

Thanx

Matt Tovey 	       |  Commpower Engineering	|	
                       |  Melbourne,		| tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU
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Re: Unibus Serial port problems
#277
Author: J Lothian
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:59
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Here's some stuff about the M7856 (DL11-W) module 
(combined serial port/real-time clock), taken from
the print-set. As far as I can remember, there are 5
sets of dip-switches on the board. Mode of operation
is selected as follows:

Mode 1: serial line and RTC can both be addressed.
Serial line addresses are restricted to 77756X. [Standard
console address]. Line clock is at 777546.
Mode 2: Only serial line can be addressed. Address selection
ranges from 774000 to 777777. Line clock is disabled. 
Mode 3: Only line clock can be addressed, serial line 
does not respond to any address. Line clock is at 777546.

Mode selection & address bits:

Address bit	A10  A09  A08  A07  A06  A05  A04  A03  N/A  N/A
Switch		S5-3 S5-2 S5-1 S5-4 S5-5 S5-6 S5-8 S5-7 S5-9 S5-10
Mode 1		Off  Off  Off  On   Off  Off  Off  On   Off  On
Mode 2		Off  Off  Off  On   Off  Off  Off  On   On   Off
Mode 3		Off  Off  Off  On   Off  Off  On   On   On   On

Mode 2 is shown for serial line addresses 77756X. For address 
bits in mode 2, switch off = 1 and switch on = 0.
[Apparently, it is not possible to deviate from the specified
address for the serial port in Mode 1 -- I have a feeling that
if you fiddle with the address switches in Mode 1, the LTC
address may move as well.]

Note: remove R63 from DL11-W operating in Mode 2 to allow proper 
operation of a line frequency clock or other DL11-W in Mode 1
or Mode 3. [R63 goes from the BUS LTC L signal at pin CD1
on the backplane connector to (among other things) pin 9 on a 7414,
and is a 330 ohm resistor. It should be easy enough to find --
I don't have a layout diagram for the board.]

Vector Address Assignments

Line clock is fixed at 100. Serial line assignments are
floating vectors of the form XX0 (receiver) and XX4 (transmitter),
where XX is 00 to 77. For console device, vector should be
060/064.

Vector bit	V8   V7   V6   V5   V4   V3
switch		S2-8 S2-7 S2-5 S2-3 S2-6 S2-4
060/064		Off  Off  Off  On   On   Off
On=1, Off=0.

Data Format

Bits per Character
S4-4 S4-3 Bits
On   On   5
On   Off  6
Off  On   7
Off  Off  8

Parity
S4-2 S4-6 Parity
Off  Off  Off
On   Off  Off
Off  On   Even
On   On   Odd

Stop Bits
S4-5 Stop bits
On   1
Off  2 (or 1.5 if 5 data bits selected)

Baud Rate Selection
Rate  	Receiver	Transmitter
	S3-2 S3-3 S3-5  S4-10 S3-1 S3-4
110	Off  Off  Off	On    On   On
150	On   Off  Off	Off   On   On
300	Off  On   On	On    Off  Off
600	Off  On   Off	On    Off  On
1200	Off  Off  On	On    On   Off
2400	On   On   On	Off   Off  Off
4800	On   On   Off	Off   Off  On
9600	On   Off  On	Off   On   Off

Current Loop Active/Passive Selection
Transmitter	S1-1 S1-2 S1-3 S1-6 S1-7
Active		On   On   Off  Off  On
Passive		Off  Off  On   On   Off

Receiver	S3-6 S3-7 S3-8 S3-9 S3-10
Active		On   Off  On   Off  On
Passive		Off  On   Off  On   Off

Reader Enable	S1-4 S1-5 S1-8 S1-9 S1-10
Active		On   Off  On   Off  On
Passive		Off  On   Off  On   Off

[There is a spade lug on the board, near the front
edge, which can be connected to one of the spade lugs
on the M9301 bootstrap module, so that pressing BREAK 
on your terminal keyboard will cause the machine to bomb
into the bootstrap module's console emulator.]

So there you go. I've used one of these boards on my 11/40
for several years now, without much bother. I have an M9301
for bootstrap, and am good at avoiding BREAK when typing!

The only thing that occurs to me about the problems
you've been having is: is there another device (e.g.
bootstrap board) in your system that includes an
LTC circuit? See the note about R63 above.

You can reset the 11/34 CPU by placing CONT/HALT
in HALT position, then operating BOOT/INIT. 

Good luck.

James
-- 

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James Lothian        |      "It's life, Jim, 
james@uk.ac.ed.caad  |   but not as we know it"
Re: 11/34a problem (was serial port problem)
#278
Author: Samuel Scott Patterson
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 06:28
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In article <9300814.8072@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gadget) writes:
>I am having exactlt the same problem with my 11/34a. The only thing is I 
>hadn't tried eliminating the 7859 (RL-11 V? (Sorry, I'm not currently 
>living with my machine)) to fix it. I have two of the
>machines (One with the extended console) and both of them have this problem.
>I also have the friend who is also having the same problem. It seems to me
>that this must be a fairly basic mistake we are making with the machines.
>Any hints?

Hi!  I got mine running!  Okay, A few hints. :)  Generally, if you get the
BUS ERR light like that, it has something to do with those little cards that
fit in the 3rd slot from the front of the machine.  What happens is there are
some boards that are DMA and some boards that are none DMA.  If you move your
boards around, you could end up with BUS errors.  See, what they don't tell
you is that you have to have that little card in the empty slot but you also
have to have a jumper on the back side.  If you look on the pin side of the
backplane, you will notice there are 4 columns of pins for each card slot 
in the backplane.  The columns are broken into blocks.  Okay, in any non-
DMA slot, on the forth block at the end nearest the back of the computer,
the first pin in the column on the right side (from the front) should have
a wire connected to the first pin in the second column.  Diagram Below:

                            Non DM Device V
    . . . .   . . . .    . . . .    . . . .    . . . .    . . . .
F    . . . .   . . . .    . . . .    . . . .    . . . .    . . . .
R   . . . .   . . . .    . . . .    . . . \    . . . .    . . . . 
O    . . . .   . . . .    . . . .    . . . \    . . . .    . . . .
N   . . . .   . . . .    . . . .    . . . .    . . . .    . . . .
T    . . . .   . . . .    . . . .    . . . .    . . . .    . . . .
         Processor Boards over here

     Okay, of course there are more pins than this but you get the idea.
The \ represents where the jumper should be.  DMA devices are things like
HD controllers and such.  

     The other possibility is that you have more than one M7856 card in it.
If that is the case, you need to either cut a jumper or flip some DIPs to
disable the real time clock on the second one.  But I don't remember how to 
do it offhand.  However, I can give you the DIP settings on my board.

I have it configured for 9600B, no parity, 1 stop, 8 data and (I think)
real time clock enabled.  (Many thanks to people who E-Mailed me)

S1:1101001101 S2:00000100 S3:1100110101 S4:0100101000 S5:0001001010

BTW,  I have the M7859 console card installed and am using it.

							-Scott
Re: 11/34a problem (was serial port problem)
#285
Author: zrepachol
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:26
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In article <1993Jan9.062826.16525@netcom.com>, sspatter@netcom.com (Samuel Scott Patterson) writes:
> In article <9300814.8072@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gadget) writes:
...
>      The other possibility is that you have more than one M7856 card in it.
> If that is the case, you need to either cut a jumper or flip some DIPs to
> disable the real time clock on the second one.  But I don't remember how to 
> do it offhand.  However, I can give you the DIP settings on my board.
> 

Only a BA-11L can drive mopre than one LTC load. So cut R63 on all DL-11Ws
except the one you enable as 'clock'.

The switch setting for a DL-11W are:

Bus address    S5 1=off, 0=on , order (msb) 3 2 1 4 5 6 8 7 (lsb)

Vector         S2 1=on,  0=off  8 7 5 3 6 4

Baud rates    Xmit

	S4-10	S3-1	S3-4
110	on	on	on
150	off	on	on
300	on	off	off
600	on	off	on
1200	on	on	off
2400	off	off	off
4800	off	off	on
9600	off	on	off


		Rec

	S3-2	S3-3	S3-5
110	off	off	off
150	on	off	off
300	off	on	on
600	off	on	off
1200	off	off	on
2400	on	on	on
4800	on	on	off
9600	on	off	on

Yeah, the inverse of Xmit...

20mA stuff...

Xmit Active: s1-1, s1-2, s1-7 on; s1-3,s1-6 off
xmit passive, invert above

Rec active: s3-6, s3-8, s3-10 on; s3-7, s3-9 off
Rec passive, invert

Reader Run active: s1-4, s1-8, s1-10 on; s1-5, s1-9 off


Data bits


	s4-4	s4-3
5	on	on
6	on	off
7	off	on
8	off	off

Stop bits

1	s4-5 on
1.5/2	s4-5 off

Parity, s4-6 on to enable, s4-2 on for even, off for odd

Break bit  S4-1 on to enable

Error enable	s4-7 on

RTC	S5-9	S5-10
On	off	on
off	on	off
only	on	on	*** if RTC only is used. No SLU. Addr == 77754X!!

Fun, fun board to sett up...

~Paul
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