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Started by yqdx
Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:53
HELP: Attempted break-ins?
Author: yqdx
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:53
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:53
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Hi- Lately, several users of our VAXStation 3200 have been reporting that when they log in, it often says "one unsuccessful attempt since last login." It is not on every account, and it is not as distressing as if it said "10000 failed attempts" or whatever. However, our computer's address is not broadcast to the world, so we do not expect any random "noise." It has happened enough that I am concerned. Are there techniques for logging the origin of attempted logins, and/or all logins in general? I apologize if this is common knowledge, for I am still a novice system administrator. We are currently running VMS 5.3. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Chris Bruns Cornell Biochemistry Dept. yqdx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Re: HELP: Attempted break-ins?
Author: rharwood
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:56
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:56
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In article <1992Dec18.145352.16583@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, yqdx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: > Lately, several users of our VAXStation 3200 have been reporting that > when they log in, it often says "one unsuccessful attempt since last > login." It is not on every account, and it is not as distressing as if > it said "10000 failed attempts" or whatever. However, our computer's > address is not broadcast to the world, so we do not expect any random > "noise." > It has happened enough that I am concerned. Are there techniques for > logging the origin of attempted logins, and/or all logins in general? > I apologize if this is common knowledge, for I am still a novice system > administrator. We are currently running VMS 5.3. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. I personally always leave auditing enabled for failed logins and breakins. I also have a .COM file in a batch queue that runs EVERY night, which reports the time/terminal/userID of every failed login attempts during the previous 24 hrs... and I read this file RELIGEOUSLY.... I know when something "random" is happening, and when it's becoming "systematic". I have *almost* caught people trying to break into privileged accounts... I HAVE scared them off! <grin> Ray ----- Ray Harwood |Data Basix |Adjunct Faculty, East Campus, Voice: (602)721-1988 |PO Box 18324 | Pima Community College FAX: (602)721-7240 |Tucson, AZ 85731 |Instructor in Ada and Pascal CompuServe: 76645,1370|AppleLink: DATA.BASIX|Internet: rharwood@east.pima.edu
Re: HELP: Attempted break-ins?
Author: rharwood
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:44
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:44
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In article <1992Dec21.215631.1@east.pima.edu>, I write: > I personally always leave auditing enabled for failed logins and breakins. I > also have a .COM file in a batch queue that runs EVERY night, which reports the > time/terminal/userID of every failed login attempts during the previous 24 > hrs... and I read this file RELIGEOUSLY.... I know when something "random" is > happening, and when it's becoming "systematic". I have *almost* caught people > trying to break into privileged accounts... I HAVE scared them off! <grin> Since several of you have asked for it, I have placed this file on min.pima.edu in the \vms\sysmgt directory under the name SECAUDIT.COM. You can get it there via anonymous ftp, or I'll EMail you a copy directly if you so request. I am compiling a list of people interested, so that as I collect comments and suggestions for improvement, I can easily let everyone who's interested know via EMail. Ray ----- Ray Harwood |Data Basix |Adjunct Faculty, East Campus, Voice: (602)721-1988 |PO Box 18324 | Pima Community College FAX: (602)721-7240 |Tucson, AZ 85731 |Instructor in Ada and Pascal CompuServe: 76645,1370|AppleLink: DATA.BASIX|Internet: rharwood@east.pima.edu
Re: HELP: Attempted break-ins?
Author: rharwood
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:26
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:26
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In article <1992Dec22.124421.1@east.pima.edu>, I write: > Since several of you have asked for it, I have placed this file on > min.pima.edu in the \vms\sysmgt directory under the name SECAUDIT.COM. You > can get it there via anonymous ftp [...] As several of you have noted, the file I placed there had no world read access... that problem is now fixed (I am publicly humiliated now in front of my peers!). The offer to EMail the file still stands, in case I have somehow still forgotten some minor yet non-trivial detail! Ray ----- Ray Harwood |Data Basix |Adjunct Faculty, East Campus, Voice: (602)721-1988 |PO Box 18324 | Pima Community College FAX: (602)721-7240 |Tucson, AZ 85731 |Instructor in Ada and Pascal CompuServe: 76645,1370|AppleLink: DATA.BASIX|Internet: rharwood@east.pima.edu
Re: HELP: Attempted break-ins?
Author: jeh
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:08
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:08
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In article <1992Dec18.145352.16583@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, yqdx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> Are there techniques for
> logging the origin of attempted logins, and/or all logins in general?
Yes, and it's already being done for you, unless someone has disabled it.
Try the ACCOUNTING command. HELP ACCOUNTING should give you an idea of the
possibilities. ACCOUNTING/TYPE=(LOGFAIL,PROCESS) is probably a good place to
start. Add /FULL to get more information. Add /SINCE=time and /BEFORE=time
to bracket a particular time period. Add /USER=username to see entries for
just one user. (Note that this will suppress login failure messages where no
username was recorded.)
(One thing which is not recorded, unfortunately, is the terminal server and
port name for logins (and attempted logins) via LAT ports.)
While we're on the subject, you should do
$ set accounting/new
periodically, say once a day or once a week or so. This closes out the current
accounting file (SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSMGR]:ACCOUNTNG.DAT - note that it is not
...:ACCOUNTING.DAT) and starts a new one. Unless you do this periodically
you will have one giant file which will take forever to search through (unless
you have a very quiet system).
It is almost always a good idea to back these files up to special archive tapes
which are explicitly kept forever (rather than relying on the regular system
backups) and then delete the ones that are too old to be of interest most of
the time.
There are several manuals in the System Management portion of the VMS Extended
Documentation Set which you should read. _Guide to VMS System Security_ and
the _VMS Accounting Utility_ manual come to mind. Check the _System Management
Master Index_ for other references to the accounting log file.
--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
drivers, internals, networks, applications, and training for VMS and Windows-NT
uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and
Chair, Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VMS Systems SIG
Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp: ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
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