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Re: The Ken Pangborn Challenge

#215
From: Ben
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 02:27
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Does the name David Moore come in the picture any more??? Last I heard a man
by that name has been using Pangborns name for everything and it has not
been the actual Ken Pangborn.  That's the way it is since I have had
personal E-mail conversations with him and he seems like an everyday nice
citizen.  Also, if you are so sure that it really is him, then why must you
post anonymously?  No one likes to listen to anonymous people.


"Anonymous User" <anonymous@remailer.havenco.com> wrote in message
news:64d00dd3272c4d60e7aa24a667b57fd0@remailer.havenco.com...
>
>                    The Ken Pangborn Challenge
>
>    Ken Pangborn has received a warning from one of his ISPs to stop
> harassing people so you will see a notable change in his demeaner from
> now on at least from that account. He has others a Compuserve one and
> sometimes posts from Keith Ray's AOL account and anonymous accounts.
> Pangborn has  made numerous efforts to silence me and to have the
> web pages at http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com removed.  His efforts over
> the past two years have included:
>
>           Threats of civil/criminal legal action
>           Threats against me
>           Threats against my wife and children, including fraudulent
>           complaints to
>           Child Protective Services
>           Attacks against third parties, such as Wilbur Street and the
>           admin of my  ISP, in hopes of pressuring them into denouncing/
>           censoring me.
>            "Mailbombing" campaigns against my ISP's abuse desk
>           Campaigns of defamation against me
>           Creating illusion of "majority support" through posting from
>           alias and "sock puppet" accounts
>
>    All of these efforts have failed miserably.  However, I'm hereby
> restating a long standing  offer to Ken.  My side of the agreement is
> that I will remove these web pages, and will cease to point out Ken's
> lies and unethical business practices in the newsgroups.  Ken's part is
>    simple:
>
>    Ken must comply with the terms posted here.  In brief, Ken must admit
> that he has lied maliciously, with intent to defame, on hundreds of
> occasions.
>
>    OR
>
>    Ken must provide proof for any one of his numerous claims, which are
> listed  here.
>
>    Once Ken fulfills either of these objectives, I will remove these
> pages and stop pointing out what a liar and con artist he is.
>
>    The terms of "proof":
>
>    Ken must provide incontrovertible evidence for any of his claims.
> "Hearsay", such as "Several poeple wrote to me and said that they had
> found that yopu were LYING" is  not considered evidence. It is not
> considered evidence for him or his sock puppets to say, "WE ALREADY
> SHOWED YOU THE PROOF" because that is what they said from Day One.  An
> example of "incontrovertible evidence" would be:
>
> "Attached is a scanned document, in .jpg format.  As you can see in
> paragraph 3, the subject has been ordered not to come within 1000 miles
> of his wife and child.  If you look further in the document, you can see
> the signature of the judge, and at the top of the page you can see the
> case number."
>
>    Such incontrovertible proof can be posted either by Ken Pangborn or by
> anyone else who is able to obtain proof.  This should not be difficult
> for Ken to accomplish...after all, he has claimed that over 1900 other
> people have had no difficulty obtaining this information. Ken also
> claimed several people had obtained my military service records, which
> would have information in them to support Ken's claims if they were
> true.
>
>    Update on the Challenge
>
>    Nearly two years after I made the first Challenge, Ken Pangborn has
> posted no proof of any of his claims. The flame war will continue until
> he meets one of the criteria listed above. To see a partial list of the
> lies Ken Pangborn has told look at:  http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
>
>
>
>
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