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James wrote:

>"Ivan Marsh" <annoyed@you.now> wrote in message 
>news:pan.2004.10.25.19.43.28.454535@you.now...
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>>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:49:09 +0000, Uncle Samuel wrote:
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>>>Ivan Marsh wrote:
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>>>>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:26:06 +0000, Uncle Samuel wrote:
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>>>>>>You have to admit, though, it certainly doesn't read like a very
>>>>>>enthusiastic endorsement...
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>>>>>Oh...it has to be "enthusiastic" does it?
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>>>>>They're freaking COMMIES you dipstick!
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>>>>>They think Skerry is helpful to THEIR cause!
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>>>>>Sheesh!
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>>>>Actually, the American communist party is a labor party.
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>>>roflmao!!!
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>>>yeh, hard labor, Gulag style labor!
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>>You should learn something about communism before you poke fun at it.
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>>There's never been a communist government on this planet.
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>That is the standard excuse given by the apologists for the failure of 
>communism. I think that there must be a manual somebody distributes to the 
>true believers such as Ivan so that they can be certain to adhere to the 
>party line. They are all so consistent.
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You shouldn't be surprised. The Truth has a habit of being consistent.

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>That is the essence of the problem with the theory of Communism, Ivan. In 
>practice, a society in which power ends up in the hands of a few elite (the 
>vangard, in Marx's terms)  inevitably degenerates into just another despotic 
>government. And this particular varient of despotism is more dangerous than 
>most, as it is combined with a belief in the unaceptability of error.
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Ah, there is your error. You describe a form of government that is the 
transitional predecessor to communism. You really should understand the 
term, James.

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>The succcess of communism is judged by its results, not some scriblings on a 
>piece of paper by a long-dead crackpot.
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>James 
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I agree with you. The problem is that so far a communism is concerned, 
it has never been fully implemented by a national government before. The 
past attempts (if indeed they were ever intended to be serious attempts 
to achieve a truly communist plane) always got stuck in fascist 
totalitarianism.

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