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From: Brian Blankski <BrianBlankski@nitzkor.NAMBLA.net>
Newsgroups:can.general,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.canadian,wpg.general,tor.general,ont.general
Subject: Re: ZHID Abortionist Kills Babies-for MILLION$$$
References: <WBVB2JL938318.2628587963@reece.net.au>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:40:31 -0700

Subject: ZHIDS=ABORTIONS=Killing for Dollars!!

Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag in Canada,
Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the
Canadian branch of NAMBLA,now finally dying as a
diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
about all his fellow criminals and perverts.

Here is a photo of Ken McVay, director of WWW.NIZKOR.ORG--
Does he not have the uncouth look as to fit the profile of a
person who would say in general regarding child porn:
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn."
I've seen photos of naked children, ... and fail to see the
harm, or any great moral danger to our society)."?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
     Would any of you want to leave this person, Ken McVay,
                alone with your children?

Here is the latest.......

Pepost from January 8, 2002:

<<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed
a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit
research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/Library/opposition/vol1num5/art3.htm
(Link still active March 5, 2003)

HLI AND ANTI-SEMITISM, CONTINUED
Human Life International, which held its international conference in
Montreal April 19-23, 1995, went on the defensive in the face of critical reports in the Canadian press. However, HLI spokespersons underscored the very issues raised by concerned groups. For example, responding to concerns that HLI fingers Jews as the primary promoters of abortion, HLI spokesperson Judith Reisman said,
"...everyone knows Jews do [emphasis in the original] lead the
abortion industry, and I'll thank B'Nai Brith from the bottom of my heart if they can prove otherwise."(1)

Notes
1.Joe Woodward, "Extremism in Defense of the Unborn: Human Life
International is Accused by B'Nai Brith of Anti-Semitism," British Columbia Report, January 9, 1995.

<end>

I also invite one and all to consider this vintage post of mine:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=35488b33.219890968%40news.tavish-central.net&rnum=8
Subject: Re: WONG is Right!  Jews support abortion - the evidence is
overwhelming! (Re: More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion
<> Jewish Community Relations Council >)
Date: 1998/04/30
Message-ID: <35488b33.219890968@news.tavish-central.net>

Classic repost. Not all links may be active today.

I make this challenge regarding the information below. I want anyone
to show any other "world religion" - i.e. Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, etc. that takes such of an active role in the promotion of infanticide aka abortion.
We all know that each major organization may have splinter sects that approve abortion BUT we do not see any "world religion" as a whole defending and promoting abortion such as Judaism! Read all the documented links, verify them and then ask yourselves if Jewry as a whole deserves the "Holocaust" sympathy they currently
receive! I hope the following awakes millions up from their slumber
concerning these hypocrites who like wallowing in their own misery while actively advocating death for the unborn.

I also wish to make this challenge to all Americans- name one Jew in
Congress that is pro-life and has a record of voting against any bill that condones abortion. Can you name one? I can't! Did you know that the legislation written by two Jews (one each in the House and Senate) became Law and is now used to harass abortion protestors such as Operation Rescue? Click this link and see who these two Jews were and the bill numbers and their exact text that became law:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=abts9t01vldb7n7g5vpqeetkt9cd2vp5ts%404ax.com&rnum=14
Subject: Operation Rescue West Seeks $500,000 Reward (REPOST)..
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:18:58 -0600
Message-ID: <abts9t01vldb7n7g5vpqeetkt9cd2vp5ts@4ax.com>


Doc Tavish

----------  Forwarded Message Follows  ----------

Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The Numbers>>>

Folks I have a minor proposition for all of you to consider. It is a
mathematical problem of sorts and its variables are not absolutes. I
only give generally accepted variables (rounded figures) or arbitrary variables as starting points.

The problem is- which group of people actually have more blood guilt
in spilling the blood of innocents?

Here are the variables (as they apply to present day United States):

The Nazi Third Reich lasted for 12 years from 1933 to 1945 as compared
to Roe Vs Wade (legalization of abortion on demand) ~27 years
[1973 to February 3, 2000]
for ease of computation-- twice as long in rounded figures.

Again in "rounded figures" and I would appreciate documented exact
numbers if they are available- there were at least 1,000,000 Nazis and the United States has 1,000 abortion doctors at the beckoning call which means Nazis outnumbered abortionists at least a 1,000 to 1.

The generally accepted figure of "Holocaust" victims is 6,000,000
while Operation Rescue with numbers verified by Alan Guttmacher Institute gives abortions a number of over 35,000,000 or about six times the death rate in about twice the time.

Now run this premise through your heads and let it soak in. Not all
Nazis ever physically took a life BUT all abortionists have!
Going by arbitrary ratios of 1,000,000 Nazis killing 6,000,000 Jews we see that each Nazi would have had to kill 6 Jews personally and as we all know- not all Nazis did any actual killings
On the other hand if the U.S. has 1,000 abortion doctors (of which
each and everyone of them has taken life as a fact) and they collectively performed over 35,000,000 abortions then that would mean each doctor for his part would have had to "kill" at least 35,000 babies or roughly 1522 babies a year or ~127 a month which could be easily done with only 4 "procedures" done daily.

Again all the above are arbitrary numbers meant to evoke your thoughts
and for conjecture!

New challenges I ask now on January 8, 2002:
1) Can anyone name just one Jewish congressperon past or present who
has ever been "pro-life"? Just name one!
2) Can anyone name just one (well known) Jewish organization known for
its "pro-life" struggles and activism? Just name one!

From the material below take notice of what Jewry said in these chosen
"snippets":

"In the fall of 1992, when Operation Rescue mobilized an anti-abortion
campaign in Wichita, Kan, Jewish groups were at the foreground of its
opposition."

"This is not a pro-choice state," a staffer at the New Orleans
Federation told New Voices...  Shows of Jewish support like in.. Louisiana are scarce.
In fact, according to some Jewish leaders, such actions are not needed, since Jewish women do not abort."

"According to Planned Parenthood, Long Island Jewish Hospital is among
a dozen hospitals nationwide that teaches abortion procedures to their
resident doctors.
Another organization, the Jewish Communal Fund, supports Planned
Parenthood with financial contributions."

In other words these Jews are fighting for the "right" of non-Jewish
women to abort!
Does it not seem strange that Jews are interested in preserving
"rights" for others when they themselves don't elect to use them? Have any of you ever wondered what the ratio of abortion doctors is?

How many Jewish versus Gentile abortionists?
How many mainline religions support abortion the way
that Jewish religious groups do? Think about it!

Classic Doc Tavish Repost From the Vintage Archives
[Not all links may still be active many of the links quoted are at
least two years old. Tavish comment February 1, 2000]

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3547a05d.159763437%40news.tavish-central.net&rnum=5
"More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion
<> Jewish Community Relations Council >"
Message-ID: <3547a05d.159763437@news.tavish-central.net>

Jewish Community Relations Council

http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm
[Link active February 1, 2000]

"JCRC firmly endorses the right of women to reproductive choice. We
are concerned about the new-found strength of abortion opponents in
Congress."

"Long supportive of a woman's legal right to reproductive choice, JCRC
opposes legislation, citizen initiatives and other measures that seek to weaken the guarantees of a woman's right and access to reproductive services."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

More on Jewry supporting infanticide:

The Jewish Communication Network

http://www.jcn18.com/jsps/oct1995/page9.htm
[Link active February 1, 2000]

Abortion: On the Line

Also see: http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088&fmt=text
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_311967088
Message-ID: <34abf874.258761288@news.smart1.net>

"B'nai B'rith Women has been one of dozens of Jewish organizations
that have made their pro-choice stance publicly known and have rallied around women's right to choose abortion. Here, activists participated in the March for Women's Lives in Washington, D.C. in 1992." [Caption quote from web site picture.]

Where Do Jewish Groups Stand?
By Udi Ofer, Staff Writer

"One Jewish organization which has been vocal in the past and
continues to support access to abortion is the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the Reform movement's umbrella organization. Even before Roe Vs. Wade, the 1973 landmark Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, the UAHC passed a resolution in favor of a woman's right to choose. "We commend those states which have enacted humane legislation in this area (abortion) and we appeal to other
states to do likewise and permit abortions under such circumstances as
threatened disease or deformity of the embryo or fetus, threats to the
physical and mental health of the mother, rape and incest and the social, economic and psychological factors that might warrant
therapeutic termination of pregnancy," the November 1967 UAHC position
paper stated.

After Roe vs. Wade passed, the UAHC stated in 1975: "We oppose those
riders and amendments to other bills aimed at halting Medicaid, legal counselling and family services in abortion-related activities...We are opposed to attempts to restrict the right to abortion through constitutional amendments."

However, these were only organizational proclamations. And as the
years pass, so did more resolutions.

In 1994, various occurrences of clinic violence erupted throughout
thecountry.
Headlining these events were the murders of Dr. John Britton and James
Barrett at a Pensacola, Fl. clinic. Immediately, the Jewish community
mobilized by rushing to its fax machines with press releases. "We call on leaders of the anti-abortion movement not only to condemn these outrageous murders and all violence at and about abortion clinics but to abandon the rhetoric of murder and hate which encourages those in this movement to believe such acts of violence are justifiable," stated the AJCongress after the murders.

But not all national organizations restrict themselves to decrees. In
the fall of 1992, when Operation Rescue mobilized an anti-abortion campaign in Wichita, Kan, Jewish groups were at the foreground of its opposition. For weeks violent anti-abortion protests and clinic violence dominated the Wichita. In the end, however, Operation Rescue was run out of town.

"B'nai Brith Women helped women secure safe access to clinics in
Wichita, by organizing the community to work with city legislature," said Aileen Cooper, the public affairs coordinator at BBW. According to Maya Townsend, also of BBW, members of the organization became part of an escort service to assist women in securing access to abortion providers. The escort service protected women from harrassment from abortion foes. BBW was also a member of the Kansas Choice Alliance, a local pro-choice movement.

Another Jewish leader who has taken action in the issue of abortion is
Rabbi Michael Matuson.

In 1992, Rabbi Matuson challenged the Louisiana state legislature in
its strict new anti-abortion laws. The Reform rabbi volunteered as a plaintiff in a lawsuit seeking an injunction to prevent enforcement of the new law. Immediately following his challenge, Rabbi Matuson and his Baton Rouge congregation received death threats. However this did not stop the rabbi, and eventually the anti-abortion law was overturned. When asked whether he received any support
from the Jewish community, Matuson replied "the UAHC and the Central Conference of American Rabbi's supported me. However, I did receive much opposition. Though it was inappropriate for me to get involved, I did anyway." "This is not a pro-choice state," a staffer at the New Orleans Federation told New Voices.

Shows of Jewish support like in Wichita and Louisiana are scarce. In
fact, according to some Jewish leaders, such actions are not needed, since Jewish women do not abort.

Rabbi Israel Vana and Rabbi William Schwartz now live in Pensacola,
Fl. Both are Conservative rabbis and both agree that women should have a choice on abortion.
However, when asked how the Jewish community reacted to the murders at
the Pensacola clinic, neither were able to state a specific action that was taken on the part of the Jewish community. But both remembered that various organizations passed resolutions condemning the act. Neither Vana nor Schwartz lived in Pensacola at that time. When asked if a woman in their congregations had ever
sought an abortion, both replied with a terse, " it neverhappened."
This is strange to Cooper, who cites a 1985 survey of 485 Jewish women
conducted by BBW that concluded that 91 percent of Jewish American women are pro-choice.
According to BBW's survey, of 471 non-Jewish women, 56 percent were
pro-choice.
When asked how is it that the rabbi's insist that the Jewish women in
their congregations have not approached their rabbis about abortion, Cooper replied that it is between woman and doctor and does not usually involve a rabbi. The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, believe that the only way to decide on whether to decide on whether to abort is through one's rabbi. In its resolution, it stated that abortion should only be allowed "under certain unfortunate
circumstances." It is up to rabbi to decide which "circumstances" are
"unfortunate."

Other organizations decide to neither pass resolutions nor take action
on the issue of abortion.

"Judaism is neither pro-choice nor pro-life," insisted Amy Bebchick,
the Mitchell Fellow at Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life.
Hillel, an international Jewish student organization, with more than 100 chapters nationwide, lets every chapter create its own policy concerning every issue. If they want to take action, whether
pro-choice or pro-life, they may.

Other organizations show support in different ways.

According to Planned Parenthood, Long Island Jewish Hospital is among
a dozen hospitals nationwide that teaches abortion procedures to their
resident doctors.
Another organization, the Jewish Communal Fund, supports Planned
Parenthood with financial contributions."

~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~

There you have it folks. The world's largest Jewish Organization, the
ADL and Union of American Hebrew Congregations are all for abortion! I did NOT delete one word form the texts above and I provided the click links so anyone may verify that I showed exactly what the Jews wrote.
 Doc Tavish

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http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/judaism.html
[All links active February 1, 2000]

Judaism and Abortion

By Rabbi Raymond A. Zwerin and Rabbi Richard J. Shapiro

The issue of abortion in Jewish life is both complex and
multi-faceted, with roots going back to the Bible. Its complexity is
due, in large measure, to the reluctance of Jewish legal authorities to establish a single principle by which to determine the morality of abortion. Within the context of an overriding Jewish concern for the sanctity of human life, legal authorities have relied largely on individual cases and derivative legal concepts in determining when an abortion may take place. Especially during the past century, the increased diversity of traditions and practices within the
Jewish community has naturally led to a diversity of approaches to the
abortion issue. Nonetheless, out of this complex diversity a clear, general concept can be adduced from the centuries of Jewish tradition; and, it is that concept which this article will address.

There are four aspects to the issue of abortion in Jewish tradition:

(1) the legal status of the embryo/fetus,
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section1.html

"The Legal Status of the Embryo/Fetus
According to Jewish law, a fetus is not considered a full human being
and has no juridical personality of its own. While recognizing the potentiality of becoming human, Rashi, the great 12th century
commentator on the Bible and Talmud, states clearly of the fetus "lav
nefesh hu--it is not a person." The Talmud contains the expression "ubar yerech imo--the fetus is as the thigh of its mother," i.e., the fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant woman's body.

[...]

Jewish law is quite clear: while the fetus in the womb is to be
protected as a potential human being, it has no personhood; it is not a bar kayamah (a viable, living being), thus, it is not accorded any of the rights or privileges of a human being."
[excerpt]

(2) the time of ensoulment;
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section2.html

"The Time of Ensoulment
While the status of a fetus is of interest with regard to the ultimate
question of the morality of abortion, so, too, is the issue of
ensoulment. Namely, at what moment does the soul enter the body? In
Jewish legal tradition, there are several theories. The most famous text in this regard is from the Talmud and concerns a somewhat strange dialogue between the Roman Emperor Antoninus and Rabbi Judah the Patriarch, the compiler of the Mishna.[*]

Antoninus asked Rabbi Judah: 'From when is the neshamah (soul) endowed
in man: from the time of birth, or from the moment of intercourse?' Rabbi Judah answered. `From the time of birth.' The Emperor then asked. `Can meat remain three days without salt and not putrify?'"

[...]

The Rabbis were saying, in effect, that the moment of ensoulment is
unclear at best, and subject to a great deal of speculation and disagreement.
They state, therefore, that is one of the "secrets of God" that will be revealed only when the Messiah comes. As a result, the issue of ensoulment plays virtually no role in Jewish considerations of the morality of abortion." [excerpt]

(3) conditions under which a therapeutic abortion may take place; and
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section3.html

"Conditions for Therapeutic Abortions
The issue of therapeutic abortion itself is first dealt with in a
second century Jewish legal text quoted in the Mishna.

If a woman is in hard labor (that threatens her life), one dismembers
the fetus within her and removes it limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over its life. Once the greater part of it emerges it may not be touched, for we donot set aside one life for another.

In commenting on this passage, later authorities further define the
phrase "the greater part of it." During a normal delivery, this refers to the emergence of the forehead, while during a breach birth, this means more than half the body.

There are two principles employed here to arrive at the conclusion
that the abortion is justified. The first and foremost of the two is that the fetus remains only a potential human life until its emergence from the birth canal.
One must, therefore, sacrifice the potential life in order to save a
fully existent human life, i.e., the pregnant woman in labor.

The second principle deals with the concept of self-defense. In Jewish
law, one is permitted to defend oneself, even to the extent of taking the attacker's life should one's own life be in jeopardy. This point was brought into the discussion on abortion when some authorities in the Talmud challenged the prohibition stated above, of the taking of the life of the now fully human child in order to save the life of its mother. It was argued that the principle of the aggressor
ought to apply here. Since it was pursuing its mother with intent to
kill one should be permitted to kill if necessary, even the fetus whose greater portion had already emerged.

This argument was rejected, however, in favor of a position that the
mother is being pursued "from Heaven;" i.e., that the difficulties she is encountering are an act of God, and that it is impossible to know, in reality, who is pursuing whom. The principle of pursuer and self-defense, therefore, cannot be applied in the case of the child in the process of being born and need not be applied prior
to birth since in that case the pursuer is not a person.

Nonetheless, in the legal code of Maimonides, the great Jewish sage of
the 13th century, the argument of the pursuer was used once again. In
commenting on the passage from the Mishna quoted above, and in stating the rules governing abortion in his code, Maimonides utilizes the pursuer justification, using the example of a boat about to sink from its load. In order to lighten the load, a passenger without baggage steps forward and proceeds to throw overboard the baggage and
a mule belonging to the others. Maimonides states that that person
is not liable for restitution to the owners, for the baggage and the
mule are pursuers, "seeking" to kill them all." [excerpt]

(4) conditions under which a non-therapeutic abortion may take place.
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section4.html

"Conditions for Non-Therapeutic Abortions

The guidelines for deciding cases of accidental and therapeutic
abortion, then, are reasonably clear-cut, even though there is some disagreement concerning the proper justification. Such cannot be said once one turns to the topic of a non-therapeutic abortion. Here the relevant literature is the Responsa--
questions written to and responses written by rabbinic authorities
from the 10th century to today. It is also here that a divergence in opinion begins to emerge.
Such divergence is due initially to differing understandings of
Maimonides' use of the pursuer argument, cited above. Later, in the 19th and 20th centuries, it becomes part and parcel of the diversity within Judaism itself as liberal streams of Jewish tradition and observance emerge. There are many relevant
Responsa concerning abortion, several of which follow. In all of them,
the principles are those described above. Note, however, how different
understandings of these principles lead to different conclusions.

The first case concerns a child who is nursing and cannot survive
without his mother's milk, being allergic to all other forms of nutrition. The mother, however, having become pregnant once again, sees that her milk has now ceased flowing. Here, where the issue is saving the life of a third party, as opposed to the pregnant woman herself, two different authorities mandate the performance
of an abortion to save the life of the existing child.

Other cases emerge today as a result of a better understanding of
mental health issues. The question is whether or not suicidal
tendencies in a pregnant woman (tendencies that might, as a result of
the pregnancy itself, impel the woman to take her own life), justify the performance of an abortion. In this case, even the most stringent of authorities permit an abortion to save the life of the pregnant woman.

In past centuries, many other circumstances have come before
rabbinical authorities, as well. One case involved a woman whose
pregnancy would leave her permanently deaf, and while some authorities rejected this as sufficient grounds for an abortion, no less an authority than a Chief Rabbi of Israel granted her permission.

In cases involving adultery, there is also a division of opinion. Some
invoke the principle of "let the fruit of the act bear witness to the deed lest adultery flourish in the land." Others maintain that we must do everything possible to save the pregnant woman from great mental pain and anguish, shame being the greatest mental pain. And in several cases involving rape, this latter principle seems to dominate, with many authorities granting permission to take the steps necessary to ensure that a pregnancy will not result

Yet, in the light of these cases, might one assume that abortion is
justifiable under any and all circumstances? The answer, according to Jewish law, is clearly "no." The majority of Jewish legal sources indicate that abortion is permissible at any stage of the pregnancy if the well-being of the pregnant woman is jeopardized, while it is clearly not permissible if the well-being of the future child is the issue. This distinction can best be illustrated by the following
example.

Due to modem medical technology a pregnant woman can now be certain,
long before the birth of her child, whether it will be born defective due to rubella or the taking of Thalidomide during pregnancy, or due to genetic factors such as Tay-Sachs disease, or due to systematically transmitted diseases such
as AIDS, etc.
In all of these cases, abortion is not permitted out of fear or concern over what the child might have to endure during its life. Its lot in life is not to be determined nor judged by humanity. Its quality of life is one of the "secrets of God," and is
not open to human judgment. However, some rabbinical authorities maintain that if the pregnant woman expresses anguish about her own mental, emotional, or psychological well-being resulting from an impending birth, then her pain may warrant an abortion. Other rabbinical authorities would not permit an abortion on such grounds.

In cases of non-therapeutic abortion, then, the major consideration is
"the pain of the mother." It is out of consideration for the woman involved, and not the fate or condition of the fetus, which becomes the determining factor in prohibiting or permitting an abortion. And it is precisely on this issue that diversity of opinion is now the greatest. Not only is the diversity seen between the various movements in Judaism today, but even within each movement itself. In addition to traditional Jewish mores and standards, each movement has
its own criteria for determining the permissibility of abortion under other than therapeutic circumstances."
[quoted in full]

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Doesn't the above make you want to vomit? How many hours of media
exposure do we get monthly concerning the "Holocaust" against Jews yet these same Jews favour and condone the slaughter of millions of innocents!

For pictures of the "handiwork" of what Jews embrace and remember this
was brought out above: "According to Planned Parenthood, Long Island
Jewish Hospital is among a dozen hospitals nationwide that teaches abortion procedures to their resident doctors. Another organization, the Jewish Communal Fund, supports Planned Parenthood with financial contributions."

Challenge: Name any other major world religion who condones and
contributes to planned infanticide!

Now links to pictures (links active January 31, 2001):
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3382/index.htm
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion1.htm
http://www.operationrescue.org/involved/truthtruck.asp
http://www.operationrescue.org/abortion/babypics.asp
From the above link here are the most horrendous and convincing
pictures showing
the atrocity which only one world religion (Judaism) supports:
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby2.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby4.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby6.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby10.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby12.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby14.jpg

Look at those pictures and links and accept the challenge I made at
the top of the page which said:

"I make this challenge regarding the information below. I want anyone
to show any other "world religion" - i.e. Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, etc. that takes such of an active role in the promotion of infanticide aka abortion. We all know that each major organization may have splinter sects that approve abortion BUT we do not see any "world religion" as a whole defending and promoting abortion such as Judaism! Read all the documented links, verify them and then ask yourselves if Jewry as a whole deserves the "Holocaust" sympathy
they currently receive! I hope the following awakes millions up from
their slumber concerning these hypocrites who like wallowing in their own misery while actively advocating death for the unborn."

I use two sig lines in this post. One showing how Jews relate to
communism and the other showing how Jews view non-Jews which would explain why abortion is so attractive to them. What better way could be had than for ignorant people to kill their own and thus be one less GOY the Jew has to deal with?

Doc Tavish Daily Showing the Hypocrisy of Jewry

---
I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
which existed before Stalin took control?

"Because there was very little to criticize."
       Susan Cohen - January 24, 2001

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"We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink
containing
wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non-Jew after the
seal of the
bottle has been opened." <http://www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html>
Information taken from: Is it Kosher, Rabbi E. Eidlitz and Spice and
Spirit,
The Lubavitch Women's Cookbook Publications (July 12, 2001)
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a
glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made
the
wine unclean." Jewish Talmud


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From: "kenmcvay@nazikor.orgy"
Subject: JEW GETS MILLIONS KILLING BABIES!!!
Newsgroups: alt.abortion

From: Joe Kamenar <joelkamenar@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.romancatholic,
soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,alt.abortion
Subject: --> Abortion Is Murder
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:06:41 -0500

If an aborted baby has a heartbeat and functioning
organs (like a brain), then to take its life is murder.
This is not CHOICE.
People who support unlimited abortions and partial
birth abortions should be banned from society.
How can anyone argue otherwise?


From: bmccandlss@aol.com (BMcCandlss)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion
Subject: Re: MILLIONS FROM KILLING BABIES!!!
>Date: Sun, 21 November 1999 02:06 PM EST
>On 21 Nov 1999 18:35:34 GMT, bmccandlss@aol.com
>(BMcCandlss) wrote:
>>  apifar@ibm.net  (Craig Chilton) wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:17:54 -0500 (EST),
>>> "boris@movil.com" <anonymous@cotse.com> wrote:

>> Sorry dude, the American Revolution was founded on the
>> principle that all are created with the RIGHT to LIFE,
>> so your "Benediction" is given with foot in mouth.

Keep dreaming.
Our founding documents were based on principles of
English law, which DID ascribe these rights to the unborn;
it's cited right in Roe v. Wade.

Likewise, our founding documents state that
"all Men are created equal, that they are
endowed by their creator with the right to life..."

Note it says CREATED, not BORN.
NO "Men" were EVER born; only little babies are BORN.
Clearly this "creation" refers to something other than birth.

Likewise, "Men" are not "created," we
don't pop into existence fully formed.

Simply put, abortion was  tolerated only due to primitive
ob/gyn practices of the day, nothing more-- your argument,
being based on them, dies with them.

And  yes, the unborn DO have intrinsic value in terms
of their promise of a future as adults, just like infants
do, which is why they are protected by law, as opposed to
being shipped to the pound to be gassed with the cats
and dogs which, although equally intelligent now, will
NEVER reach adult human intellect.

Maybe the unborn had no value BEFORE conception,
but by the time they're big enough to be aborted that's
no longer the case; the die is cast, so those cast
must not die.

***VERY VALID POINTS OPPOSING
***THE MURDERING ABORTIONISTS!!!

From: "Mark" <mark1w@oanet.com>
Newsgroups: edm.general,can.general
Subject: Re: MORGENTALER MAKES $17 MILLIONS KILLING BABIES!!!
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:36:57 -0700

Melanie Piper wrote in message <3831CB3F.E0753FBC@telusplanet.net>...
>boris.spetznatz@lubyanka.net wrote:
>> From: bk469@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
>> Subject: MORGENTALER: THE $17 MILLION/YEAR ABORTION MAN

Man alive just did a show on Morgentaler.  I was amazed
that he survived both Auschwitz and Dachau and yet still
has such a callous view of life.  His humanist views developed
before WWII by the influence of his humanist father.

I've been doing some reading on humanism lately.  All of the
worst people this century has seen were humanists.  Hitler,
Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were all humanists.  So it isn't
surprising to me that Morgantaller, who signed the Humanist
Manifesto II, would be just as willing to kill as they were.

On an aside, he was also very willing to cheat on his wife,
and did so constantly.

>> abortionist Henry Morgentaler, one can
>> ascertain that Morgentaler makes at least $17,083,764
>> per year

>Do you want your reader to be jealous of his income?  How is
>his income relevant to whether or not his beliefs or activities
>should/should not be supported?

I've heard coimments from reformed abortionists that they
did it for the incredible amount of money they make.
Morgantaler has personally performed 75,000 abortions,
at the going rate of about $600, that amounts to $45,000,000!!

>> from his business of killing unborn babies.

>Your choice of word for what he does.  Sure wouldn't be mine.

I have yet to hear a pregnant woman refer to her unborn baby
as a featus, or a lump of flesh.  "Oh, feel my tummy dear,
our lump of flesh is really kicking".


>> A province by province breakdown of abortion
>> provision is provided by CARAL at
>> http://www.caral.ca/situation1.html .

>> The site lists the number of abortions performed per
>> week at the Morgentaler abortuaries.

>"abortuaries"--again a choice of words designed to inflame
>and influence; a less-biased choice of words would be what
>the facilities are actually termed within the conventional
>medical and health-care "establishment": clinics.

ROTFL.  You call the guy an anti-semite and then you have the
nerve to talk about inflamatory language.  A mill is exactly
what they are, get them in and out as fast as they can.
132,000 abortions were performed in 1996, that's one out
of every five pregnancies.

>Ah, what the hell.  I support your right to your opinions, but
>I just couldn't resist.  I was taught to "read critically" in
>about Grade Nine and sometimes the "button-pushers" just jump
>out at me.

Reading critically isn't worth much if you only read propaganda.

Markw


From: bk469@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
Subject: MORGENTALER: THE $17 MILLION/YEAR ABORTION MAN

MORGENTALER: THE $17 MILLION/YEAR ABORTION MAN

OTTAWA, Nov 10 (LSN.ca) - From statistics and figures
published on the website of the Canadian Abortion Rights
Action League (CARAL) and the website of notorious
Canadian Jewish abortionist Henry Morgentaler, one can
ascertain that Morgentaler makes at least $17,083,764
per year from his business of killing unborn babies.

Health researcher Isabelle Begin who discovered the
information informed LifeSite News that Morgentaler
owns and operates 8 clinics in 7 provinces in Canada.

Adding the numbers of abortions performed in the
Morgentaler clinics (save for the Edmonton clinic figures,
which are unavailable) and multiplying by the average
cost of these abortions (as compiled from information
on Morgentaler's website) one can conclude that
destroying pre-born humans makes a substantial
contribution to Morgentaler's comfortable livelihood.
The calculation goes like this:
Average yearly revenue: $607.25/abortion x 28,133
+ (no info for Edmonton) = $17,083,764
minimum yearly gross revenue.

A province by province breakdown of abortion
provision is provided by CARAL at http://www.caral.ca/situation1.html


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Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

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First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
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We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

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As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
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IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
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In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
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