🚀 go-pugleaf

"Dave Rhodes" <captain@teamnasty.net> wrote in message
news:kr9fpvkkbdmqjmbv8703dhbf3o29k0mtcu@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:47:07 -0700, "Ken McVay, OBC"
> <kmcvay@nizkor.org> wrote:
>
> >"Dave Rhodes" <captain@teamnasty.net> wrote in message
> >news:3bhepvolbb9sf52ehdnf02a0k3lm8ilbfr@4ax.com...
>
>
> >> Don't get me wrong, Nizkor is a good site and I commend you for all
> >> your work, but why do you put up with his perpetual attacks?
> >
> >Grosvenor cannot be sued because he uses anonymous remailers.
>
> You have to sign-up for these services no? From his headers:

No, you do not.

> I'm sure they could determine who is responsible for the posts without
> too much difficulty.

No, they cannot, thanks to the technology which makes it easy to chain
multiple anonymous servers.

> >He cannot be
> >charged with criminal defamation because he has not damaged my
reputation -
> >in that, too, he has been a complete failure.
>
> "In order to prove defamation, you have to be able to prove that what
> was said or written about you was false. If the information is true,
> or if you consented to publication of the material, you will not have
> a case. However, you may bring an defamatory action if the comments
> are so reprehensible and false that they effect your reputation in the
> community or cast aspersions on you."
>
> Don't you think what he's written over the years is defamation by the
> definition above?

The definition is meaningless. It's the Supreme Court of Canada's ruling
that counts.

> "Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag in Canada,
> Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
> and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
> unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the
> Canadian branch of NAMBLA, wants all to know
> about all his fellow criminals and perverts."
>
> Surely the above is reprehensible and false.

Yes, but not damaging to my reputation or livelihood. It tells us much more
about Grosvenor than it does about me. The mere fact that he won't make
those assertions under his own name condemns him as a liar of the worst
sort, and that's the reason I tag his tripe with information about him.

> >There is value in identifying Grosvenor to the public.
>
> Certainly.
>
> >People don't often
> >get the chance to see a complete nutbar spew vomit for years at a time.
>
> The net is full of them. But it's good you've collected _his_ details.

> >Grosvenor is the poster boy for Canadian hate mongering, and he's his own
> >worst enemy. Technology makes it possible for him to spread his venomous
> >claptrap without fear of retrobution.
>
> I don't think he has a free ride here in regards to breaking the law,
> but if you're comfortable dealing with it your manner, so be it.

Actually, yes, he does have a free ride, in spite of clear violations of
various sections of the Criminal Code  of Canada. I use Grosvenor as an
example when conducting workshops for police agencies and various
governmental groups. He's a classic example of the Law's inability to deal
with new technology.