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Glen Hallick wrote:
> "Carter Lee" <crlee@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

>>Yes and you and other American hating leftists
> 
> 
> American hating leftists?

Yes that's what I said.

  I for one have NOT said anything that is hateful
> of the US. I have indeed criticized its government's foreign policy
> particularly when it comes to overthrowing DEMOCRATICALLY elected
> governments (ie: Arbenz in Guatemala and Allende in Chile) among other
> things.

....and, I might add, tried to use such things to support your 
disagreement with the disarming of a dictatorial despot who is in 
violation of a multitude of UN resolutions.  Maybe you thought Saddam 
was democratically elected?

  Furthermore I have indeed been very critical of the Bush
> Administration's drive to launch a war of aggression against Iraq.

I would be also if it was a war of aggression that he is proposing, it 
is not and only an American hating leftist could consider it such.

  To me
> there is a lot of similarity between Iraq's invasion of Kuwait back in 1990
> and the war Bush et al are pushing for today.

Maybe to you but not to the rest of the population, unless there is 
someone out there who believes Kuwait was thumbing it's nose at UN 
resolutions and had to be disarmed.


> The problem with some of the pro-war crowd is they are fanatics when in
> comes to political correctness. Anyone dare's to say anything blatantly or
> remotely negative about US policy and sure as hell there are people like you
> extremely eager to label that person as being anti-American.

I wouldn't know about that, not being part of the pro-war crowd.  The 
problem is that to you leftists anybody who refuses to be bullied by 
regimes such as that led by Saddam Hussein is pro-war.

I can assure you I am not pro-war, at least not by your definition, but 
I do accept the reality that Saddam Hussein will not voluntarily comply 
with UN resolutions and therefore must be forced to do so.


>>are trying to use that
>>fact to excuse Iraq's refusal to comply with UN resolutions requiring it
>>to disarm.

> More of your narrow minded bullshit.

Very cogent.


> If I am anti-American then by the same reasoning you are nothing more than
> an establishment apparatchik with a very myopic view of the US, one that
> gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling, and is only made worse by the rose-coloured
> glasses you look through.

If you believe that then you know nothing, and throughout our usenet 
conversations, have learned nothing about me but, go ahead, believe what 
you will.


>>Where Iraq may have got it's WMD is totally irrelevant to
>>the issue of it's required disarmament.

> And even more your silly bullshit.

Another of your cogent remarks?

> You seem to be dreadfully unwilling to acknowledge that most of the anti-war
> movement does not want Iraq to have these WMD's.

They have a strange way of showing it.

  That they do indeed realize
> what kind of bastard Saddam Hussien really is. They do not think that a war
> is the best means to rectify the situation and they have come out in the
> millions all over the world.

Yes, but have they come out with any relatively sure way of disarming 
Iraq while Saddam is in charge?  No!


> When you shove your anti-left blathering up your arse...sideways...then
> perhaps you and I can make a little progress discussing this issue.

Not until you shove your pro-war and 'drooling for war' bullshit up your 
arse.

Carter