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Article #4720Re: Gun Registry
From: Pham Nuwen
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:41
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:41
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Andrew wrote: > I propose that instead of a DNA registry, much stiffer mandatory > sentences be applied, especially for violent crimes. I am quite > confident that this would have a far more profound effect on our > safety than any registry could hope to achieve. You where doing so well till you said this. I agree almost all registries by their very nature are misused by government, and I'm firmly against a DNA registry, however I think mandatory sentencing, and mandatory minimums also are wrong. Mandatory minimums take all discretion away from the judge, and because of them thousands are sent to jail in the US, and here each year when truth be told they shouldn't be. Judges say their hands are tied, and that they have to follow the laws, and that right there is the crux of the problem. We no longer have a justice system, and are goose stepping along to a legal system. I for one think sentencing *guidelines* should only show a expected maximum, but even that could be exceeded if the judge feels the crime is that heinous. Also we need to stop this insanity of concurrent sentencing, and allow the judge to use consecutive sentences. I think those moves along with reforms in the jail system to focus on rehabilitating "short" (less that two years) term offenders as opposed to "long" (greater than 15 years) term offenders. I think these sort of changes would benefit us a lot more than sinking us further into a legal system, that has very little to do with justice. -- /---+----+----+----+----+----+----++----+----+----+----+----+----+---\ I Pham Newen II Necessity is the plea for every I I ========== II infringement of human freedom. I I pham@nerdhive.org II It is the argument of tyrants; I I http://www.nerdhive.org II it is the creed of slaves. I I aim: nerdhive1 II -William Pitt (1759-1806) I \---+----+----+----+----+----+----++----+----+----+----+----+----+---/
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