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"BOOKLEARNED!!!!!" <mrpooh@stupidhead.com> wrote...

> When did the Americans loose control of the Taliban?

I've never heard *any* claim that the Americans *ever* controlled the
Taliban.

> Did they not give them weapons and money?

According to one news source, before Sept 11 they were giving Afghanistan
more aid then the rest of the world combined.  I suppose you'll twist this
to make them look evil.

During the Soviet occupation, they of course sent weapons to Afghanistan.
Not the Taliban - they didn't exist.

> > > They managed to kill a bunch of Canadian Soldiers with out any
> > > accountability (None, nothing, If a cop shot a bunch of protesters
after
> > > being told not to open fire, would they be held accountable).

> > Where did you get a stupid idea like this?  The pilots in question and
their
> > commanders have been essentially in court ever since, and will likely
face a
> > court-martial.

> So Mr Court Reporter, What's the status? Has the pilot been suspended?

 It's been reported that he was.

> Has he been charged with "not obeying an order" and causing the death
> of innocent  "Allies".   Is he going to jail or just going to lose his
pension?

Read what I said - The pilots in question and their commanders have been
essentially in court ever since, and will likely face a court-martial.

> > He's used weapons of mass destruction on his own people, he's declared
his
> > intent to do the same with the US, and he's putting together the weapons
to
> > do so.  Ignoring him would be a Really Stupid Thing To Do.

> THERE WAS SOMETHING CALL THE GULF WAR.

So now you remember.

> What has Iraq done after the war that has warrented this upcoming
> offensive..

As a condition to ending the Gulf War, they agreed to U.N. weapons
inspections.  These are vital, since (and this is just for starters) Iraq
has a history of using weapons of mass destruction and lobbing missiles at
other countries.)  He kicked the inspectors out and been caught resuming his
weapons program.  That alone justifies continuing the Gulf War where we left
off.  Combine that with his stated goal of using them against the States....

Then there's the "trivial" stuff.... Attempting to assassinate a former U.S.
president, funding car bombers in Israel, etc.

And as usual,  Saddam is again using the people of Iraq as pawns.  As long
as the U.N. weapons inspections are kept out, the embargo stays in place and
people starve.  Since letting him build and use weapons of mass destruction
isn't an option, getting rid of Saddam is the best hope for the people of
Iraq.

> > Reporters do it all the time.  But of course some people will assume
that
>>  anyone who has anything bad to say about Saddam must be biased....

> I have not seen any of these. How ever I would be interested in see or
> reading anything you may have.

Read the papers.  Go to the news sites.  It's real easy to find news not
produced in the U.S.

> I'll  believe it when I see it.

You do that.

> so the embargo is on for everyone EXCEPT FOR THE US so
> they can buy oil at rock bottom prices.

Aw, c'mon - stop making stuff up.

It's a U.N. embargo.  Iraq is allowed to sell oil on the WORLD market, but
the bulk of it has to be spent on food and humanitarian aid for the people
of Iraq.  That's it.

> > No-one is planning mass destruction of their cities and murder of their
> > civilians.

> See Gulf war......happened about  a decade ago...

Exactly.  There was no mass-destruction of cities.  Some civilians died -
but the only way to prevent that is not to have started the war in the first
place.

The Americans held back.  For example, when the Iraqi's parked a lot of
their fighter jets on streets in civilian areas, the Americans left them
alone.  When Saddam spend most of the war in his bunker below and behind the
Al Rashid Hotel, the Americans left it alone.

Since the Gulf War the Americans have been working to improve the accuracy
of the weapons and get remote cameras on the spot to make civilian
casualties even less likely.  They even have a "bomb" used to scatters
carbon filaments over a power distribution station.  The idea is to knock
out the station without anyone being hurt, and make it easy to recommission
the station when the fighting stops.

> > After each attack, the government of
> > Afghanistan refused to hand over Osama and friends.

> Why in the world would the US give them money and such for eliminating the
heroin fields?

They gave humanitarian aid to the Afghan people, who were starving due to
Taliban incompetence and several years of bad drought..  If this helped
eliminate the heroin fields, well, why the hell not?  We even sent
humanitarian aid to the Soviet Union at the height of the cold war  It's a
great way to turn enemies into friends, and to influence tyrants not to do
bad things.

btw, Some have said that the Taliban was using heroin to finance their
weapons deals.  (What's wrong with selling drugs to infidels in Europe?)
They say it's the drought that killed the heroin crop, not the Taliban.

> > They weren't outright enemies with Iraq like they are now.  Which means
> > there were diplomatic ties, business dealings, etc.  But hardly allies.
> > Afghanistan was controlled by the Soviet Union.  (Or so they tried....)

> So the US never sold ARMS or Helped out either country during their
> conflicts with other nations during that Decade?

I'm sure there were deals with Iraq, and I'm sure they regret it.  There
were no dealings with the Taliban government in the 80's, since they didn't
exist.

> I'm pretty sure that would make them an Ally if they did.

We were allies with the Soviet Union in 1941.  We sent them weapons,  That
doesn't make us allies in 1961.

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Disclaimer:  I believe that Attorney General John Ashcroft is turning into
quite the authoritarian despot, using the war against terrorists to take
away basic rights to privacy and fair trial.  I believe VP Dick Cheney
should be in jail for peddling influence to Enron during the election and
maybe for fraud when he was a CEO.  I'm not sure about Bush, 'cause he just
does what his handlers tell him to do.  But that doesn't change my opinions
on the invasion of Afghanistan.