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Re: Besides their Oil, Why is the US so bent on destroying Iraq?

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From: BOOKLEARNED!!!!!
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:07
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replies.


"Roger Strong" <rstrong@anon.net> wrote in message =
news:%P979.8866$_7.38299@news1.mts.net...
> "BOOKLEARNED!!!!!" wrote....
>=20
> > How ever I've still not seen any of this "over whelming" evidence =
that
> > pinned 9/11/1 on Osama.
>=20
> A lot of it has been reported, not the least of which is videotape of =
Osama
> himself taking credit.  I suppose you see only what you want to see.

I saw a little bit of that video tape, it didn't look like him, I've had =
friends tell me that the Arabic was broken as well, (might be just due =
to regionalization of the language)

>=20
> > The "co-alition" did a good job at bombing a third world country =
into the
> > dust, (whooo dumping bombs on already oppressed people)
>=20
> When the al-Qa'ida/Taliban (different arms of the same organization)  =
bombed
> the Marine barracks in Saudi Arabia, the Americans held back - =
otherwise
> innocent Afghani civilians could be killed.
>
When did the Americans loose control of the Taliban? Did they not give =
them weapons and money?
I belive they were given Millions and millions of dollars just a few =
months before 9/11 by the US for eliminating the Heroin Fields out =
there?
A task in which was reported as 100 percent effective.=20

>=20
> > They managed to kill a bunch of Canadian Soldiers with out any
> > accountability (None, nothing, If a cop shot a bunch of protesters =
after
> > being told not to open fire, would they be held accountable).
>=20
> Where did you get a stupid idea like this?  The pilots in question and =
their
> commanders have been essentially in court ever since, and will likely =
face a
> court-martial.

So Mr Court Reporter, What's the status? Has the pilot been suspended? =
Has he been charged with "not obeying an order" and causing the death of =
innocent  "Allies" . Is he going to jail or just going to lose his =
pension? (Sorry about the sarcasm)

>=20
> > The whole time the "war on terrorism" was going on I haven't heard
> anything
> > that Iraq has done to anyone or anything that would warrant such and
> attack.
>=20
> If you weren't in a cave somewhere, you might have heard about poison =
gas
> attacks on his own people.  You might have heard about the approx. 1 =
million
> people who died when he invaded Iran.  You might have heard about his
> invasion of Kuwait and attacks on Saudi Arabia.  You might have heard =
about
> his attempts to drag Israel into the gulf war by launching missiles at =
them.
> He's used weapons of mass destruction on his own people, he's declared =
his
> intent to do the same with the US, and he's putting together the =
weapons to
> do so.  Ignoring him would be a Really Stupid Thing To Do.

Yah I remember that...THERE WAS SOMETHING CALL THE GULF WAR...Do you =
remember that? it happened in 91 or so...Remember the US made the Iraqi =
army look like they were in the "Flintstones" or something.
What has Iraq done after the war that has warrented this upcoming =
offensive....It would have to be something really really bad.. as GWB =
looks like a salivating dog just waiting for the okay to go and finish =
what his old man started......

>=20
> > Isn't there already a trade embargo on this country? (does this =
include
> >oil  as well?)
>=20
> Yup, one which ends when he allows weapons inspections, as he agreed =
to do
> after the gulf war.  The embargo does little to stop his weapons
> development.

So the US is and has not buying/bought any oil from Iraq?

>=20
> > Has anyone spoken to anyone in Iraq to see if they have perhaps =
heard
> > anything?
>=20
> Reporters do it all the time.  But of course some people will assume =
that
> anyone who has anything bad to say about Saddam must be biased....

I have not seen any of these. How ever I would be interested in see or =
reading anything you may have.
>=20
> > 1. What happened to the pilot who dropped the bomb on the Canadian
> Soldiers?
>=20
> See above.

I'll  believe it when I see it.


>=20
> > 2. With the embargo on Iraq, does the US still buy oil from them?
>=20
> Wouldn't surprise me.  But if I'm not mistaken, most of their oil =
doesn't
> even come from the middle-east, let alone Iraq.  (Think Venezuela, =
Alaska,
> Canada, etc....)

so the embargo is on for everyone EXCEPT FOR THE US so they can buy oil =
at rock bottom prices.

> > 3. What has Iraq "supposed" to have done to Warrant some mass =
destruction
> of
> > their cities and murder of their civilians?
>=20
> No-one is planning mass destruction of their cities and murder of =
their
> civilians.

See Gulf war......happened about  a decade ago...

> > 4. Where was the overwhelming proof that  "Osama" was behind 9/11, =
Even if
> > it was Osama, why was Afghanistan Attacked?
>=20
> See the attacks on Americans and others listed above.  Osama's =
Al-Qa'ida and
> the Taliban are different arms of the same organization, and they were =
the
> government of Afghanistan.  (Osama even married a daughter of the head =
of
> the Taliban, to strengthen the ties.)  After each attack, the =
government of
> Afghanistan refused to hand over Osama and friends.

Why in the world would the US give them money and such for eliminating =
the heroin fields?

> > 5. Do you think that there is any connection with all the recent
> "corporate
> > accounting scams" to the 9/11 as well?
>=20
> Why would there be?
>=20
> > 6. Weren't Iraq, and Afghanistan allies of the states in the 80's?
>=20
> They weren't outright enemies with Iraq like they are now.  Which =
means
> there were diplomatic ties, business dealings, etc.  But hardly =
allies.
> Afghanistan was controlled by the Soviet Union.  (Or so they =
tried....)

So the US never sold ARMS or Helped out either country during their =
conflicts with other nations during that Decade? I'm pretty sure that =
would make them an Ally if they did.

> btw...   There are other sources of oil in the world besides Iraq.  =
With all
> the reasons listed above, not to mention the lack of oil in =
Afghanistan (and
> for that matter, Serbia), the "it's all about oil" conspiracy theory =
is more
> than a bit tired.
>=20
> > PPS.. Thanks in advance.
>=20
> You're welcome.

Yah thanks again for your info on the gulf war,=20
=20
BOOKLEARNED!!!!!

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Snipping and Mid posting as to try to keep =
discussion current=20
to the replies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Roger Strong" &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:rstrong@anon.net"><FONT =
size=3D2>rstrong@anon.net</FONT></A><FONT=20
size=3D2>&gt; wrote in message </FONT><A=20
href=3D"news:%P979.8866$_7.38299@news1.mts.net"><FONT=20
size=3D2>news:%P979.8866$_7.38299@news1.mts.net</FONT></A><FONT=20
size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&gt; "BOOKLEARNED!!!!!" wrote....<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
&gt; How=20
ever I've still not seen any of this "over whelming" evidence =
that<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
pinned 9/11/1 on Osama.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; A lot of it has been reported, =
not the=20
least of which is videotape of Osama<BR>&gt; himself taking =
credit.&nbsp; I=20
suppose you see only what you want to see.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I saw a little bit of that video tape, it =
didn't look=20
like him, I've had friends tell me that the Arabic was broken as well, =
(might be=20
just due to regionalization of the language)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; The "co-alition" did a good job =
at bombing=20
a third world country into the<BR>&gt; &gt; dust, (whooo dumping bombs =
on=20
already oppressed people)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; When the al-Qa'ida/Taliban =
(different=20
arms of the same organization)&nbsp; bombed<BR>&gt; the Marine barracks =
in Saudi=20
Arabia, the Americans held back - otherwise<BR>&gt; innocent Afghani =
civilians=20
could be killed.<BR>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>When did the Americans loose control of the =
Taliban?=20
Did they not give them weapons and money?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I belive they were given Millions and =
millions of=20
dollars just a few months before 9/11 by the US for eliminating the =
Heroin=20
Fields out there?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>A task in which was reported as 100 percent =
effective.=20
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; They managed to kill a bunch of =
Canadian=20
Soldiers with out any<BR>&gt; &gt; accountability (None, nothing, If a =
cop shot=20
a bunch of protesters after<BR>&gt; &gt; being told not to open fire, =
would they=20
be held accountable).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Where did you get a stupid idea =
like=20
this?&nbsp; The pilots in question and their<BR>&gt; commanders have =
been=20
essentially in court ever since, and will likely face a<BR>&gt;=20
court-martial.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>So Mr Court Reporter, What's the status? Has =
the pilot=20
been suspended? Has he been charged with "not obeying an order" and =
causing the=20
death of innocent&nbsp; "Allies"&nbsp;. Is he going to jail or just =
going to=20
lose his pension? (Sorry about the sarcasm)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; The whole time the "war on =
terrorism" was=20
going on I haven't heard<BR>&gt; anything<BR>&gt; &gt; that Iraq has =
done to=20
anyone or anything that would warrant such and<BR>&gt; attack.<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
If you weren't in a cave somewhere, you might have heard about poison=20
gas<BR>&gt; attacks on his own people.&nbsp; You might have heard about =
the=20
approx. 1 million<BR>&gt; people who died when he invaded Iran.&nbsp; =
You might=20
have heard about his<BR>&gt; invasion of Kuwait and attacks on Saudi=20
Arabia.&nbsp; You might have heard about<BR>&gt; his attempts to drag =
Israel=20
into the gulf war by launching missiles at them.<BR>&gt; He's used =
weapons of=20
mass destruction on his own people, he's declared his<BR>&gt; intent to =
do the=20
same with the US, and he's putting together the weapons to<BR>&gt; do =
so.&nbsp;=20
Ignoring him would be a Really Stupid Thing To Do.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Yah I remember that...THERE WAS SOMETHING =
CALL THE=20
GULF WAR...Do you remember that? it happened in 91 or so...Remember the =
US made=20
the Iraqi army look like they were in the "Flintstones" or=20
something.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>What has Iraq done after the war that has =
warrented=20
this upcoming offensive....It would have to be something really really =
bad.. as=20
GWB looks like a salivating dog just waiting for the okay to go and =
finish what=20
his old man started......</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Isn't there already a trade =
embargo on this=20
country? (does this include<BR>&gt; &gt;oil &nbsp;as well?)<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
Yup, one which ends when he allows weapons inspections, as he agreed to=20
do<BR>&gt; after the gulf war.&nbsp; The embargo does little to stop his =

weapons<BR>&gt; development.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>So the US is and has not buying/bought any =
oil from=20
Iraq?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Has anyone spoken to anyone =
in Iraq to=20
see if they have perhaps heard<BR>&gt; &gt; anything?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
Reporters=20
do it all the time.&nbsp; But of course some people will assume =
that<BR>&gt;=20
anyone who has anything bad to say about Saddam must be =
biased....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I have not seen any of these. How ever I =
would be=20
interested in see or reading anything you may have.</STRONG><BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
&gt; 1. What happened to the pilot who dropped the bomb on the =
Canadian<BR>&gt;=20
Soldiers?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; See above.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I'll &nbsp;believe it when I see=20
it.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 2. With the embargo on Iraq, =
does the=20
US still buy oil from them?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Wouldn't surprise me.&nbsp; =
But if=20
I'm not mistaken, most of their oil doesn't<BR>&gt; even come from the=20
middle-east, let alone Iraq.&nbsp; (Think Venezuela, Alaska,<BR>&gt; =
Canada,=20
etc....)<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>so the embargo is on for everyone EXCEPT FOR =
THE US so=20
they can buy oil at rock bottom prices.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; 3. What has Iraq "supposed" to have =
done to=20
Warrant some mass destruction<BR>&gt; of<BR>&gt; &gt; their cities and =
murder of=20
their civilians?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; No-one is planning mass destruction of =
their=20
cities and murder of their<BR>&gt; civilians.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>See Gulf war......happened about&nbsp; a =
decade=20
ago...</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; 4. Where was the overwhelming proof =
that&nbsp;=20
"Osama" was behind 9/11, Even if<BR>&gt; &gt; it was Osama, why was =
Afghanistan=20
Attacked?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; See the attacks on Americans and others =
listed=20
above.&nbsp; Osama's Al-Qa'ida and<BR>&gt; the Taliban are different =
arms of the=20
same organization, and they were the<BR>&gt; government of =
Afghanistan.&nbsp;=20
(Osama even married a daughter of the head of<BR>&gt; the Taliban, to =
strengthen=20
the ties.)&nbsp; After each attack, the government of<BR>&gt; =
Afghanistan=20
refused to hand over Osama and friends.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Why in the world would the US give them =
money and such=20
for eliminating the heroin fields?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =
&gt; 5. Do=20
you think that there is any connection with all the recent<BR>&gt;=20
"corporate<BR>&gt; &gt; accounting scams" to the 9/11 as well?<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
Why would there be?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 6. Weren't Iraq, and =
Afghanistan=20
allies of the states in the 80's?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; They weren't outright =
enemies=20
with Iraq like they are now.&nbsp; Which means<BR>&gt; there were =
diplomatic=20
ties, business dealings, etc.&nbsp; But hardly allies.<BR>&gt; =
Afghanistan was=20
controlled by the Soviet Union.&nbsp; (Or so they =
tried....)<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>So the US never sold ARMS or Helped out =
either country=20
during their conflicts with other nations during that Decade? I'm pretty =
sure=20
that would make them an Ally if they did.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; btw...&nbsp;&nbsp; There are other sources =
of oil in=20
the world besides Iraq.&nbsp; With all<BR>&gt; the reasons listed above, =
not to=20
mention the lack of oil in Afghanistan (and<BR>&gt; for that matter, =
Serbia),=20
the "it's all about oil" conspiracy theory is more<BR>&gt; than a bit=20
tired.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; PPS.. Thanks in advance.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
You're=20
welcome.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Yah thanks again for your info on the gulf=20
war,</STRONG>&nbsp;<BR> <BR>BOOKLEARNED!!!!!</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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