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Article #4801Re: Besides their Oil, Why is the US so bent on destroying Iraq?
From: BOOKLEARNED!!!!!
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:07
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C24515.4D637A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Snipping and Mid posting as to try to keep discussion current to the = replies. "Roger Strong" <rstrong@anon.net> wrote in message = news:%P979.8866$_7.38299@news1.mts.net... > "BOOKLEARNED!!!!!" wrote.... >=20 > > How ever I've still not seen any of this "over whelming" evidence = that > > pinned 9/11/1 on Osama. >=20 > A lot of it has been reported, not the least of which is videotape of = Osama > himself taking credit. I suppose you see only what you want to see. I saw a little bit of that video tape, it didn't look like him, I've had = friends tell me that the Arabic was broken as well, (might be just due = to regionalization of the language) >=20 > > The "co-alition" did a good job at bombing a third world country = into the > > dust, (whooo dumping bombs on already oppressed people) >=20 > When the al-Qa'ida/Taliban (different arms of the same organization) = bombed > the Marine barracks in Saudi Arabia, the Americans held back - = otherwise > innocent Afghani civilians could be killed. > When did the Americans loose control of the Taliban? Did they not give = them weapons and money? I belive they were given Millions and millions of dollars just a few = months before 9/11 by the US for eliminating the Heroin Fields out = there? A task in which was reported as 100 percent effective.=20 >=20 > > They managed to kill a bunch of Canadian Soldiers with out any > > accountability (None, nothing, If a cop shot a bunch of protesters = after > > being told not to open fire, would they be held accountable). >=20 > Where did you get a stupid idea like this? The pilots in question and = their > commanders have been essentially in court ever since, and will likely = face a > court-martial. So Mr Court Reporter, What's the status? Has the pilot been suspended? = Has he been charged with "not obeying an order" and causing the death of = innocent "Allies" . Is he going to jail or just going to lose his = pension? (Sorry about the sarcasm) >=20 > > The whole time the "war on terrorism" was going on I haven't heard > anything > > that Iraq has done to anyone or anything that would warrant such and > attack. >=20 > If you weren't in a cave somewhere, you might have heard about poison = gas > attacks on his own people. You might have heard about the approx. 1 = million > people who died when he invaded Iran. You might have heard about his > invasion of Kuwait and attacks on Saudi Arabia. You might have heard = about > his attempts to drag Israel into the gulf war by launching missiles at = them. > He's used weapons of mass destruction on his own people, he's declared = his > intent to do the same with the US, and he's putting together the = weapons to > do so. Ignoring him would be a Really Stupid Thing To Do. Yah I remember that...THERE WAS SOMETHING CALL THE GULF WAR...Do you = remember that? it happened in 91 or so...Remember the US made the Iraqi = army look like they were in the "Flintstones" or something. What has Iraq done after the war that has warrented this upcoming = offensive....It would have to be something really really bad.. as GWB = looks like a salivating dog just waiting for the okay to go and finish = what his old man started...... >=20 > > Isn't there already a trade embargo on this country? (does this = include > >oil as well?) >=20 > Yup, one which ends when he allows weapons inspections, as he agreed = to do > after the gulf war. The embargo does little to stop his weapons > development. So the US is and has not buying/bought any oil from Iraq? >=20 > > Has anyone spoken to anyone in Iraq to see if they have perhaps = heard > > anything? >=20 > Reporters do it all the time. But of course some people will assume = that > anyone who has anything bad to say about Saddam must be biased.... I have not seen any of these. How ever I would be interested in see or = reading anything you may have. >=20 > > 1. What happened to the pilot who dropped the bomb on the Canadian > Soldiers? >=20 > See above. I'll believe it when I see it. >=20 > > 2. With the embargo on Iraq, does the US still buy oil from them? >=20 > Wouldn't surprise me. But if I'm not mistaken, most of their oil = doesn't > even come from the middle-east, let alone Iraq. (Think Venezuela, = Alaska, > Canada, etc....) so the embargo is on for everyone EXCEPT FOR THE US so they can buy oil = at rock bottom prices. > > 3. What has Iraq "supposed" to have done to Warrant some mass = destruction > of > > their cities and murder of their civilians? >=20 > No-one is planning mass destruction of their cities and murder of = their > civilians. See Gulf war......happened about a decade ago... > > 4. Where was the overwhelming proof that "Osama" was behind 9/11, = Even if > > it was Osama, why was Afghanistan Attacked? >=20 > See the attacks on Americans and others listed above. Osama's = Al-Qa'ida and > the Taliban are different arms of the same organization, and they were = the > government of Afghanistan. (Osama even married a daughter of the head = of > the Taliban, to strengthen the ties.) After each attack, the = government of > Afghanistan refused to hand over Osama and friends. Why in the world would the US give them money and such for eliminating = the heroin fields? > > 5. Do you think that there is any connection with all the recent > "corporate > > accounting scams" to the 9/11 as well? >=20 > Why would there be? >=20 > > 6. Weren't Iraq, and Afghanistan allies of the states in the 80's? >=20 > They weren't outright enemies with Iraq like they are now. Which = means > there were diplomatic ties, business dealings, etc. But hardly = allies. > Afghanistan was controlled by the Soviet Union. (Or so they = tried....) So the US never sold ARMS or Helped out either country during their = conflicts with other nations during that Decade? I'm pretty sure that = would make them an Ally if they did. > btw... There are other sources of oil in the world besides Iraq. = With all > the reasons listed above, not to mention the lack of oil in = Afghanistan (and > for that matter, Serbia), the "it's all about oil" conspiracy theory = is more > than a bit tired. >=20 > > PPS.. Thanks in advance. >=20 > You're welcome. Yah thanks again for your info on the gulf war,=20 =20 BOOKLEARNED!!!!! ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C24515.4D637A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Snipping and Mid posting as to try to keep = discussion current=20 to the replies.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Roger Strong" <</FONT><A=20 href=3D"mailto:rstrong@anon.net"><FONT = size=3D2>rstrong@anon.net</FONT></A><FONT=20 size=3D2>> wrote in message </FONT><A=20 href=3D"news:%P979.8866$_7.38299@news1.mts.net"><FONT=20 size=3D2>news:%P979.8866$_7.38299@news1.mts.net</FONT></A><FONT=20 size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>> "BOOKLEARNED!!!!!" wrote....<BR>> <BR>> = > How=20 ever I've still not seen any of this "over whelming" evidence = that<BR>> >=20 pinned 9/11/1 on Osama.<BR>> <BR>> A lot of it has been reported, = not the=20 least of which is videotape of Osama<BR>> himself taking = credit. I=20 suppose you see only what you want to see.<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I saw a little bit of that video tape, it = didn't look=20 like him, I've had friends tell me that the Arabic was broken as well, = (might be=20 just due to regionalization of the language)</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>> <BR>> > The "co-alition" did a good job = at bombing=20 a third world country into the<BR>> > dust, (whooo dumping bombs = on=20 already oppressed people)<BR>> <BR>> When the al-Qa'ida/Taliban = (different=20 arms of the same organization) bombed<BR>> the Marine barracks = in Saudi=20 Arabia, the Americans held back - otherwise<BR>> innocent Afghani = civilians=20 could be killed.<BR>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>When did the Americans loose control of the = Taliban?=20 Did they not give them weapons and money?</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I belive they were given Millions and = millions of=20 dollars just a few months before 9/11 by the US for eliminating the = Heroin=20 Fields out there?</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>A task in which was reported as 100 percent = effective.=20 </STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>> <BR>> > They managed to kill a bunch of = Canadian=20 Soldiers with out any<BR>> > accountability (None, nothing, If a = cop shot=20 a bunch of protesters after<BR>> > being told not to open fire, = would they=20 be held accountable).<BR>> <BR>> Where did you get a stupid idea = like=20 this? The pilots in question and their<BR>> commanders have = been=20 essentially in court ever since, and will likely face a<BR>>=20 court-martial.<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>So Mr Court Reporter, What's the status? Has = the pilot=20 been suspended? Has he been charged with "not obeying an order" and = causing the=20 death of innocent "Allies" . Is he going to jail or just = going to=20 lose his pension? (Sorry about the sarcasm)</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>> <BR>> > The whole time the "war on = terrorism" was=20 going on I haven't heard<BR>> anything<BR>> > that Iraq has = done to=20 anyone or anything that would warrant such and<BR>> attack.<BR>> = <BR>>=20 If you weren't in a cave somewhere, you might have heard about poison=20 gas<BR>> attacks on his own people. You might have heard about = the=20 approx. 1 million<BR>> people who died when he invaded Iran. = You might=20 have heard about his<BR>> invasion of Kuwait and attacks on Saudi=20 Arabia. You might have heard about<BR>> his attempts to drag = Israel=20 into the gulf war by launching missiles at them.<BR>> He's used = weapons of=20 mass destruction on his own people, he's declared his<BR>> intent to = do the=20 same with the US, and he's putting together the weapons to<BR>> do = so. =20 Ignoring him would be a Really Stupid Thing To Do.<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Yah I remember that...THERE WAS SOMETHING = CALL THE=20 GULF WAR...Do you remember that? it happened in 91 or so...Remember the = US made=20 the Iraqi army look like they were in the "Flintstones" or=20 something.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>What has Iraq done after the war that has = warrented=20 this upcoming offensive....It would have to be something really really = bad.. as=20 GWB looks like a salivating dog just waiting for the okay to go and = finish what=20 his old man started......</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>> <BR>> > Isn't there already a trade = embargo on this=20 country? (does this include<BR>> >oil as well?)<BR>> = <BR>>=20 Yup, one which ends when he allows weapons inspections, as he agreed to=20 do<BR>> after the gulf war. The embargo does little to stop his = weapons<BR>> development.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>So the US is and has not buying/bought any = oil from=20 Iraq?</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>> <BR>> > Has anyone spoken to anyone = in Iraq to=20 see if they have perhaps heard<BR>> > anything?<BR>> <BR>> = Reporters=20 do it all the time. But of course some people will assume = that<BR>>=20 anyone who has anything bad to say about Saddam must be = biased....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I have not seen any of these. How ever I = would be=20 interested in see or reading anything you may have.</STRONG><BR>> = <BR>>=20 > 1. What happened to the pilot who dropped the bomb on the = Canadian<BR>>=20 Soldiers?<BR>> <BR>> See above.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I'll believe it when I see=20 it.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>> <BR>> > 2. With the embargo on Iraq, = does the=20 US still buy oil from them?<BR>> <BR>> Wouldn't surprise me. = But if=20 I'm not mistaken, most of their oil doesn't<BR>> even come from the=20 middle-east, let alone Iraq. (Think Venezuela, Alaska,<BR>> = Canada,=20 etc....)<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>so the embargo is on for everyone EXCEPT FOR = THE US so=20 they can buy oil at rock bottom prices.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>> > 3. What has Iraq "supposed" to have = done to=20 Warrant some mass destruction<BR>> of<BR>> > their cities and = murder of=20 their civilians?<BR>> <BR>> No-one is planning mass destruction of = their=20 cities and murder of their<BR>> civilians.<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>See Gulf war......happened about a = decade=20 ago...</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>> > 4. Where was the overwhelming proof = that =20 "Osama" was behind 9/11, Even if<BR>> > it was Osama, why was = Afghanistan=20 Attacked?<BR>> <BR>> See the attacks on Americans and others = listed=20 above. Osama's Al-Qa'ida and<BR>> the Taliban are different = arms of the=20 same organization, and they were the<BR>> government of = Afghanistan. =20 (Osama even married a daughter of the head of<BR>> the Taliban, to = strengthen=20 the ties.) After each attack, the government of<BR>> = Afghanistan=20 refused to hand over Osama and friends.<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Why in the world would the US give them = money and such=20 for eliminating the heroin fields?</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> = > 5. Do=20 you think that there is any connection with all the recent<BR>>=20 "corporate<BR>> > accounting scams" to the 9/11 as well?<BR>> = <BR>>=20 Why would there be?<BR>> <BR>> > 6. Weren't Iraq, and = Afghanistan=20 allies of the states in the 80's?<BR>> <BR>> They weren't outright = enemies=20 with Iraq like they are now. Which means<BR>> there were = diplomatic=20 ties, business dealings, etc. But hardly allies.<BR>> = Afghanistan was=20 controlled by the Soviet Union. (Or so they = tried....)<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>So the US never sold ARMS or Helped out = either country=20 during their conflicts with other nations during that Decade? I'm pretty = sure=20 that would make them an Ally if they did.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT size=3D2>> btw... There are other sources = of oil in=20 the world besides Iraq. With all<BR>> the reasons listed above, = not to=20 mention the lack of oil in Afghanistan (and<BR>> for that matter, = Serbia),=20 the "it's all about oil" conspiracy theory is more<BR>> than a bit=20 tired.<BR>> <BR>> > PPS.. Thanks in advance.<BR>> <BR>> = You're=20 welcome.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Yah thanks again for your info on the gulf=20 war,</STRONG> <BR> <BR>BOOKLEARNED!!!!!</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C24515.4D637A70--
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