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Article #4956Re: The Liberal Coalition and what it means to Canadians
From: Morpheal
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:37
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:37
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AN OPEN LETTER TO CANADA CONCERNING THE PROROGATION OF PARLIAMENT AND MR. HARPER’S UNACCEPTABLE AND DESPARATE USURPATION OF POWER. I am writing to suggest a potential solution for the prorogation issue. Considering the circumstances of the world economic crisis and the rapidly worsening US situation, with its continued attempts at covering up its own role and true circumstances in that crisis, and considering the obvious expressions of support for Mr. Harper and his Conservative minority from the United States, including derogatory remarks as to United States concern about “the constitutional psychodrama” exceptional action needs to be taken in Canada against Mr. Harper’s unprecedented usurpation of parliamentary power. Canada, and the well being of its people, subjects of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, cannot afford to follow America’s failing and faltering socio-political, and economic footsteps to disaster. Canada must act on its own, declaring its full independence from American influence, innovatively and proactively, inclusive of realignment of Canadian interests with other nations, other than the United Sates of America, where that favors the uniquely Canadian situation. Mr. Harper, operating under American influence, and in keeping with what are clearly American interests, cannot be allowed to succeed in delaying more necessary parliamentary action in the continuing and worsening crisis. Although Mr. Harper might be secretly giving allegiance to the United States of America and its government deceptions and failed policies, Canada does not share his false loyalties. It is the writer’s opinion that this must now be made clear to Her Majesty, with the majority of the duly elected parliament, forming the Coalition, petitioning the crown for due recourse. Mr. Harper has already shown that he marches to an American fife and drum, and is out of step with Canadian needs. I have written to Mr. Jack Layton, NDP party leader, Mr. Stephane Dion, Liberal party leader and Mr. David Christopherson, NDP member from Hamilton, via email, to the Liberal and NDP party organizations, via fax and email, as well as to the the Governor General in support of the coalition and copying the following suggestion as to possible resolution of the prorogation issue: It is easily arguable that Canada’s governing party, the Conservatives under Mr. Harper’s leadership have acted wrongfully in seeking prorogation of parliament to avoid a valid non confidence motion. The intent of prorogation would seem to be the equivalent of an act of parliament to be decided by the governing party, with the prime minister acting merely as messenger. Whether all of the members of the governing party would agree with the action might easily be in doubt. No vote is actually recorded. Can a prime minister act on his own to prorogate parliament and specifically to avoid a non confidence motion ? It is doubtful that that was the formal intent of the law. Certainly sound reason and logic go against that conclusion as legislators and particularly constitutional legislators would never seek to cripple a government, much less in times of any crisis and urgency. The prime minister’s office lacking written constitutional definition, and the prime minister being an appointee of the Governor General, thus of the crown, typically accorded to the leader of the party that has the most seats subsequent to an election. However, it is not dictated by written constitutional law that that appointment of a prime minister must necessarily follow tradition. There are no specific limits on crown decisions, even if tradition does tend to a very high level of predictability. What this means is that a Governor General could remove a Prime Minister if there were adequate reasons given to do so. Presumably, though it has never happened, members of parliament could petition that removal, by petitioning the crown. How this petitioning might take place is uncertain, as there is no known precedent, but the leaders of the other parties might go directly to seek the Governor General’s action on the matter. It would seem the intent of those who created the constitution and related legislation that such a process could remain possible. That is that if sufficient political will, inclusive of 2/3 of the House of Commons were to come forward to ask for the removal of the Prime Minister and his government that the Governor General, on behalf of Her Majesty, could take that action on behalf of her majesty’s subjects. Certainly the most responsible and responsive act in terms of the urgent need in times of crisis. We must remember that prorogation stops all parliamentary committee work and essentially cripples the government for a prolonged period of time. In a crisis two months is far too long and extremely contrary to the best interests of the nation and contrary to the best interests and well being of Her Majesty’s subjects. It is that ethical consideration in a time of crisis that has more importance than formal process in a political system where there are no constraints on potential just and fair resolution, when it comes to matters involving the crown. Clearly suspension of parliament is wrong, and more wrong in a time of crisis. It only delays non confidence and the ousting of an ineffective handling of dangerously urgent problems. It is impossible to know what really influenced the Governor General, but the loss of more than two months is catastrophic at a time of national need. If anything a new government needs to be working through Christmas to deal with the complicated damage that Canada is suffering due to American irresponsibility. Certainly Mr. Harper’s actions would have an American seal of approval on them, favoring what are currently their interests, not the best interests of Canada. I think the opposition could easily argue that case in addition to arguing Mr. Harper’s unethical, irresponsible prorogation as an unacceptable delay in much needed government action in crisis. As far as constitutional and related laws appear to go it appears that there is nothing to stop those in parliament who seek removal of Mr. Harper and his irresponsible government, in light of his irresponsible prorogation of parliament, sending their representatives to seek removal of Mr. Harper and his government from government power. We must remember that the ultimate decision rests with Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, through her Governor General, based on the presentation of reasons, and is not bound by traditional actions or specific constitutional law. In effect it appears quite possible, even if as unprecedented as Mr. Harper’s action, for his elected opponents to take further action, in petitioning Her Majesty for further and more just recourse. Sincerely, Robert Ezergailis Hamilton, Ontario Canada Dec 4, 9:59 am, wrrit...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:09:02 -0600, "Andrew Ostrander" > > <apa...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Harper wasn't elected into office.  I didn't see any choice on my ballot for > >Harper.  I voted for my local mp.  Together the mps choose the prime > >minister by supporting him in the house.  If a prime minister can't keep the > >support of the mps, he's done.  If Harper's honourable, he will recognize > >the position he's in, lose the confidence vote, and resign.  Instead he's > >desperately looking for tricks in order to hang on to power. > > The Dion couldn't even get a tape delivered to CTV last night on time, > it showed up an hour late.  He called the Block Separatists in his > English address to Canadians, and Sovereignists in the French address > because Quebec  prefers it. > > Why would he the Liberal leader who only weeks ago lost the confidence > of his party after the election, and was going to step down now think > because he has become involved in a coalition that he can govern? It > seems he's a lame duck leader who panders to the Block in Quebec > because without their support he would have no collation. > > We know from news reports that the Block will have the power of VETO > on all decisions if the coalition gains power, so basically we'd all > be held captive by the Block while they held our country under their > thumb. > > I'm for another election, put the coalition on the ballot, let > Canadians use the vote as their voice.
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