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Started by benlou
Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:58
printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: benlou
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:58
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:58
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people, I'm trying to print a PDF which is two A4 pages next to each other (spread), i've designed it all, put it into indesign (using the A-Master view), but exporting it as a PDF as it appears in InDesign's view is proving VERY difficult for me. The design itself is for a centre spread in a magazine. I myself have little industry experience with print design, and this is my first print job for a design such as this. I'd be v. grateful to anyone who could shine any light on how to do this ? Thanks. ben.
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: Aandi_Inston
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:28
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:28
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If you want it to be a spread, you should re-make it onto a double sized page. However, are you SURE you want to do that? What is the final disposition of the PDF file? Aandi Inston
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: benlou
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:01
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:01
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Aandi, So it's just the one page, double the size right ? [ 297mm (h) x 420mm(h) ] - just the one page... I'm currently working on the documents layout with bleed, type & trim lines (according to the dimension brief i've been given). Highly confuzzling. and as for the disposition of the PDF, well it's all over the place since i'm doing it :D CURRENT PROBLEMS: 1. setting up the document to it's correct dimensions 2. printing the PDF correctly to send out to the printers Thanks for the reply though, your a star. ben
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: Aandi_Inston
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:26
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:26
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If the PDF is going to form part of a book/magazine, it is very likely that you do NOT want to combine the spreads, as that will mess up the imposition. Are you sure this isn't the case? Aandi Inston
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: benlou
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:34
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:34
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to tell you the truth Aandi, i don't know. i'm not sure whether to create one page and combine the spreads, or create two seperate A4 pages. this is my first design for a printing job any different than size A4. it's a spread, and i don't know how to lay it out. Underneath is what i've been given, see if you can make more sense out of it. I was asked to create an A4 double page spread, the dimensions are as follows; DIMENSIONS: ----------- Double Page Spread: TYPE: 270mm deep, 400mm wide; BLEED: 303mm deep, 426mm wide; TRIM 297mm deep, 420mm wide. Page: TYPE: 270mm deep, 188mm wide; BLEED: 303mm deep, 213mm wide, TRIM: 297mm deep, 210mm wide.
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: Aandi_Inston
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:23
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:23
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I don't think it would be unreasonable to ask whether the spread should be delivered as one page or two. It doesn't affect how you design, but may affect how you make the PDF. The single most common "beginner's error" in preparing work for professional printing is to seek the best answer without talking to the people doing the production. There are huge variations in how print shops work, and professionals - no matter how much experience - will need to find out details of what is needed so they can deliver the right stuff. Are you even sure they want a PDF? Aandi Inston
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: benlou
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:36
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:36
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They say they can take the artwork in the following formats: QuarkXpress 3.0/4.0, JPEG, PDF, or EPS. QuarkXPress i don't use. I'd imagine the JPEG's resolution would have to be through the roof (like 6,000 - 10,000 dpi or something ?). Then there's PDF, and as for EPS. Typically i'd send an EPS (it being compatible with everything i've seen so far), but every export of EPS (whether it comes outta illustrator or indesign) always comes out with less quality than it does with a PDF. and to be honest, everytime i export an EPS i'm scared it'll get printed, and someone somewhere will start bi*ching about the quality of the work etc etc. ben
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: Aandi_Inston
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:49
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:49
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Ok, they sound pretty adaptable. EPS quality should always be fine, though. How are you judging it? Aandi Inston
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: benlou
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:58
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:58
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i'll export a PDF from indesign (what i'm working in now), do the same with the EPS, and the quality is noticeably different. PDF always comes out on top. it's as if it renders everything better than EPS. take it, i'm way off base here...
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: Aandi_Inston
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:03
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But how are you measuring the quality? Aandi Inston
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: benlou
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:14
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:14
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the quality of the pictures i'll measure simply by how they look. whether they come out pixely etc. think it could be in the compression settings ? take it PDF's and EPS's often come out the same then. thanx aandi. .b
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: Aandi_Inston
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:18
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:18
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>the quality of the pictures i'll measure simply by how they look. Where? On screen? On a PostScript printer? Or a nno-PostScript printer? Aandi Inston
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: benlou
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:31
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:31
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sorry, on screen. putting the two images next to each other, you can see a noticeable difference in quality.
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: Aandi_Inston
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:32
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That is definitely normal. EPS files contain a low resolution bitmap, which is all that is used for screen printing. EPS files can only be seen at their full quality by printing to a PostScript printer. Aandi Inston
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: benlou
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:33
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:33
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* claps* see :) sorry it's all making sense now. postscript printers, encapsulated postscript files. i need a bloody good clip round the ear ! can i ask where and what you do aandi ? ben
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: Aandi_Inston
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:58
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:58
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I run a software company in Scotland... Aandi Inston
Re: printing PDF to (2x) A4 spread
Author: benlou
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:06
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:06
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excellent, you got a url i can check out ? i've just about managed to sort this project out, thanks for your help on everything aandi, your a true star mate ! .b
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