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News Mail <Meesh30@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6uDw6.2219$tG3.154721@news1.atl...
> Help!!!
>
> We just got this ADSL and set up Linux Mandrake 7.2 but we can't get it
> connected. I did the "adsl-setup". Then "adsl-start" and get a "time-out"
> message. We are not sure but we may have an IRQ problem. What command can
we
> use to see the list of IRQs?
>
>
> meesh32
>
>

there are a few variables you need to take into effect here:
1) what kind of modem do you have?
2) do you use pppoe, pppoa, or static routing?
3) what version of rp-pppoe do you run?

here's a bit more detail, and how i've gotten several people running, even
though we don't technically support linux at all

1) modem: you need to know your dsl modem's internal IP, if it has one at
all.  this is important if you run a pier-to-pier network(well, it was for
myself at home, and for a few others i've spoken to, but not everyone, you
know, YMMV)
2) is you are using pppoe, then read on.  if not, i can't help you, cause
that's all i know how to do
3) if you are using rp-pppoe, then read on.  first and foremost, make sure
you installed the pppoe daemon.  next, if you are using the version that
came installed with 7.2, then stop.  run:  rpm -e rp-pppoe  .get rid of that
shitty version.  then, go to www.roaringpenguin.com and get the most recent
version of the rpm, but DO NOT install it yet.  now, run netconf, and get
rid of the IP and all the info for your nic, but don't worry, we'll put it
back in a minute.  run "ifconfig eth0 down" and then "ifconfig etho up" and
then "ifconfig".  if your IP is still shown, you might just wanna go ahead
and reboot.  anyway, make sure you have no active network connections.  then
install the new rp-pppoe rpm.  run adsl-setup, and then try to connect.
after that, put your IP back in and it should work.  anyway, this is not
guaranteed, but i've gotten a LOT of people up with this, myself included.

.me.

"News Mail" <Meesh30@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6uDw6.2219$tG3.154721@news1.atl...
> Help!!!
>
> We just got this ADSL and set up Linux Mandrake 7.2 but we can't get it
> connected. I did the "adsl-setup". Then "adsl-start" and get a "time-out"
> message. We are not sure but we may have an IRQ problem. What command can
we
> use to see the list of IRQs?
>
>
> meesh32
>
>

i found a post about this at www.linuxnewbie.org its on page two of the
hardware discussions.

if you don't know how to comile a kernal (like me) its best to go get a
dsl/cable router from you local computer shop/office supply store.


"rat grendel" <ratgrendel@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:986005990.61835@globe.atl2.mindspring.net...
> there are a few variables you need to take into effect here:
> 1) what kind of modem do you have?
> 2) do you use pppoe, pppoa, or static routing?
> 3) what version of rp-pppoe do you run?
>
> here's a bit more detail, and how i've gotten several people running, even
> though we don't technically support linux at all
>
> 1) modem: you need to know your dsl modem's internal IP, if it has one at
> all.  this is important if you run a pier-to-pier network(well, it was for
> myself at home, and for a few others i've spoken to, but not everyone, you
> know, YMMV)
> 2) is you are using pppoe, then read on.  if not, i can't help you, cause
> that's all i know how to do
> 3) if you are using rp-pppoe, then read on.  first and foremost, make sure
> you installed the pppoe daemon.  next, if you are using the version that
> came installed with 7.2, then stop.  run:  rpm -e rp-pppoe  .get rid of
that
> shitty version.  then, go to www.roaringpenguin.com and get the most
recent
> version of the rpm, but DO NOT install it yet.  now, run netconf, and get
> rid of the IP and all the info for your nic, but don't worry, we'll put it
> back in a minute.  run "ifconfig eth0 down" and then "ifconfig etho up"
and
> then "ifconfig".  if your IP is still shown, you might just wanna go ahead
> and reboot.  anyway, make sure you have no active network connections.
then
> install the new rp-pppoe rpm.  run adsl-setup, and then try to connect.
> after that, put your IP back in and it should work.  anyway, this is not
> guaranteed, but i've gotten a LOT of people up with this, myself included.
>
> .me.
>
> "News Mail" <Meesh30@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6uDw6.2219$tG3.154721@news1.atl...
> > Help!!!
> >
> > We just got this ADSL and set up Linux Mandrake 7.2 but we can't get it
> > connected. I did the "adsl-setup". Then "adsl-start" and get a
"time-out"
> > message. We are not sure but we may have an IRQ problem. What command
can
> we
> > use to see the list of IRQs?
> >
> >
> > meesh32
> >
> >
>
>

unfortunately I do believe you will have to get  an ethernet modem
no choice here, the modem that BS supports and provides is the
Alcatel Speed Touch  Home   The unfortunate part is that BS only
gives these modems out on Pro-installs.  THEY DO NOT SHIP
ETHERNET MODEMS period no exceptions....  It can also be a frustrating
experience just getting bell south to ship a different modem...   The reason
that
you will have to go with the ethernet modem is that the only software
bellsouth has for
linux is NTS Ethernet 300 a third party dialer... so you can authenticate
one way with
ethernet 300 download it from ftp.bellsouth.net.. call the help desk
at 888-321-2375 or it might be 877 I forget option 2 to get the password to
DOWNLOAD the SOFTWARE...
 or you might say for the SOFTWARE DOWNLOAD.  Since a pro install costs $150
if it were me
I would buy a modem off the internet for cheaper if i could find it. Bell
south does not want you to do that of course and they will not support a
modem bought elsewere but then that's not a big deal since we don't support
linux anyway
Be careful of one thing if you do buy a modem on your own since modems that
are like the Alcatel 1000 and
the alcatel speed touch home (the 2 modems supported by BS)  are hard coded
no drivers to load you must be
carefull that  the vpi vci for bellsouth is set to 8:35  many isp's use 0:35
and there for many modems are set
to this.... of you have any other questions about using bellsouth dsl post
them i'll  answer them a better place to post for dsl specific q's is the
tech support news group fr bell south that you can get to on your bell south
news server...
side note:
no difference exsists AT ALL  between pppoe and pppoa on the host side....
the only difference is in the manner inwhich
a node authenticates-- ppoe=thernet300 .... pppoa=Dial up Networking or RAS
dialer or I forget what the mac dialer is
called..... any linux customer is going to be pppoe it does not matter what
it sys you are in the bell south data base


gosh




News Mail <Meesh30@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6uDw6.2219$tG3.154721@news1.atl...
> Help!!!
>
> We just got this ADSL and set up Linux Mandrake 7.2 but we can't get it
> connected. I did the "adsl-setup". Then "adsl-start" and get a "time-out"
> message. We are not sure but we may have an IRQ problem. What command can
we
> use to see the list of IRQs?
>
>
> meesh32
>
>

of course it is a possible I suppose that you could find a router similar to
the Caymen 3220
to connect to Bell South DSL using linux if you are on a network...
I suppose it is also possible that if you search you may find a compatible
pci modem---
heck for all I know drivers for the 3com are floating around some where the
modem is known as and can be identified
at 3com by it's name the 3com HomeConnect pci

I've had my DSL with Bellsouth for a while now and I love it I get a good
stable connection at
around 800 kb down not bad considering I'm about 18,000 feet from the
central office...
the only problem I've had is on a rare occasion usualy after a bad storm...
I have to shut down and
unplug my modem for a minute than boot back up and I'm back on... no big
deal...

a happy BellSouth customer,
Gosh


gosh <j_cgreen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R85y6.698$al2.47990@news2.atl...
> unfortunately I do believe you will have to get  an ethernet modem
> no choice here, the modem that BS supports and provides is the
> Alcatel Speed Touch  Home   The unfortunate part is that BS only
> gives these modems out on Pro-installs.  THEY DO NOT SHIP
> ETHERNET MODEMS period no exceptions....  It can also be a frustrating
> experience just getting bell south to ship a different modem...   The
reason
> that
> you will have to go with the ethernet modem is that the only software
> bellsouth has for
> linux is NTS Ethernet 300 a third party dialer... so you can authenticate
> one way with
> ethernet 300 download it from ftp.bellsouth.net.. call the help desk
> at 888-321-2375 or it might be 877 I forget option 2 to get the password
to
> DOWNLOAD the SOFTWARE...
>  or you might say for the SOFTWARE DOWNLOAD.  Since a pro install costs
$150
> if it were me
> I would buy a modem off the internet for cheaper if i could find it. Bell
> south does not want you to do that of course and they will not support a
> modem bought elsewere but then that's not a big deal since we don't
support
> linux anyway
> Be careful of one thing if you do buy a modem on your own since modems
that
> are like the Alcatel 1000 and
> the alcatel speed touch home (the 2 modems supported by BS)  are hard
coded
> no drivers to load you must be
> carefull that  the vpi vci for bellsouth is set to 8:35  many isp's use
0:35
> and there for many modems are set
> to this.... of you have any other questions about using bellsouth dsl post
> them i'll  answer them a better place to post for dsl specific q's is the
> tech support news group fr bell south that you can get to on your bell
south
> news server...
> side note:
> no difference exsists AT ALL  between pppoe and pppoa on the host side....
> the only difference is in the manner inwhich
> a node authenticates-- ppoe=thernet300 .... pppoa=Dial up Networking or
RAS
> dialer or I forget what the mac dialer is
> called..... any linux customer is going to be pppoe it does not matter
what
> it sys you are in the bell south data base
>
>
> gosh
>
>
>
>
> News Mail <Meesh30@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6uDw6.2219$tG3.154721@news1.atl...
> > Help!!!
> >
> > We just got this ADSL and set up Linux Mandrake 7.2 but we can't get it
> > connected. I did the "adsl-setup". Then "adsl-start" and get a
"time-out"
> > message. We are not sure but we may have an IRQ problem. What command
can
> we
> > use to see the list of IRQs?
> >
> >
> > meesh32
> >
> >
>
>

In the recent past, it was noted that customer's whose computer won't support the internal PCI or external USB modem would get the
free Ethernet modem.

What kind of computer would that be? A Mac!

So, tell them you have a Mac.

--


gosh <j_cgreen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:R85y6.698$al2.47990@news2.atl...
unfortunately I do believe you will have to get  an ethernet modem
no choice here, the modem that BS supports and provides is the
Alcatel Speed Touch  Home   The unfortunate part is that BS only
gives these modems out on Pro-installs.  THEY DO NOT SHIP
ETHERNET MODEMS period no exceptions....  It can also be a frustrating
experience just getting bell south to ship a different modem...   The reason
that
you will have to go with the ethernet modem is that the only software
bellsouth has for
linux is NTS Ethernet 300 a third party dialer... so you can authenticate
one way with
ethernet 300 download it from ftp.bellsouth.net.. call the help desk
at 888-321-2375 or it might be 877 I forget option 2 to get the password to
DOWNLOAD the SOFTWARE...
 or you might say for the SOFTWARE DOWNLOAD.  Since a pro install costs $150
if it were me
I would buy a modem off the internet for cheaper if i could find it. Bell
south does not want you to do that of course and they will not support a
modem bought elsewere but then that's not a big deal since we don't support
linux anyway
Be careful of one thing if you do buy a modem on your own since modems that
are like the Alcatel 1000 and
the alcatel speed touch home (the 2 modems supported by BS)  are hard coded
no drivers to load you must be
carefull that  the vpi vci for bellsouth is set to 8:35  many isp's use 0:35
and there for many modems are set
to this.... of you have any other questions about using bellsouth dsl post
them i'll  answer them a better place to post for dsl specific q's is the
tech support news group fr bell south that you can get to on your bell south
news server...
side note:
no difference exsists AT ALL  between pppoe and pppoa on the host side....
the only difference is in the manner inwhich
a node authenticates-- ppoe=thernet300 .... pppoa=Dial up Networking or RAS
dialer or I forget what the mac dialer is
called..... any linux customer is going to be pppoe it does not matter what
it sys you are in the bell south data base


gosh




News Mail <Meesh30@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6uDw6.2219$tG3.154721@news1.atl...
> Help!!!
>
> We just got this ADSL and set up Linux Mandrake 7.2 but we can't get it
> connected. I did the "adsl-setup". Then "adsl-start" and get a "time-out"
> message. We are not sure but we may have an IRQ problem. What command can
we
> use to see the list of IRQs?
>
>
> meesh32
>
>

Stray Cat <Stray_Cat@alt.anonymous.messages> writes:

> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:45:40 -0400, "Moose"
> <BUZZOFFbrmalmat@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> >In the recent past, it was noted that customer's whose computer won't support the internal PCI or external USB modem would get the
> >free Ethernet modem.
> >
> >What kind of computer would that be? A Mac!
> >
> >So, tell them you have a Mac.
> 
> But now you get to pay the $150 Professional Install fee to get that
> ethernet modem. And when they show up and find a box that will accept
> either a PCI or USB modem, they aren't obligated to give you the
> ethernet modem. Some get 'em, others don't, and then they complain
> about spending $150 for what they could have done themselves anyway.

I went the "My computer has no USB ports.  My wife's laptop has no PCI
slots.  I need an ethernet modem so I can switch between them." route.

-- 
Ted Rathkopf

  **** Any e-mail sent to the above address that is not a reply to one
  **** of my postings will be automatically deleted.

that would work if only they shipped the alcatel speed touch home
 an installer would come out first he would try a usb modem
if that won't work he will check for an open pci slot...
if the pci and usb both will not work an installer will then try the
ethernet modem
if you claim u have a mac atleast that would ensure the installer brings the
ethernet modem



Moose <BUZZOFFbrmalmat@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:n39y6.274$y12.94509@news2.mia...
> In the recent past, it was noted that customer's whose computer won't
support the internal PCI or external USB modem would get the
> free Ethernet modem.
>
> What kind of computer would that be? A Mac!
>
> So, tell them you have a Mac.
>
> --
>
>
> gosh <j_cgreen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R85y6.698$al2.47990@news2.atl...
> unfortunately I do believe you will have to get  an ethernet modem
> no choice here, the modem that BS supports and provides is the
> Alcatel Speed Touch  Home   The unfortunate part is that BS only
> gives these modems out on Pro-installs.  THEY DO NOT SHIP
> ETHERNET MODEMS period no exceptions....  It can also be a frustrating
> experience just getting bell south to ship a different modem...   The
reason
> that
> you will have to go with the ethernet modem is that the only software
> bellsouth has for
> linux is NTS Ethernet 300 a third party dialer... so you can authenticate
> one way with
> ethernet 300 download it from ftp.bellsouth.net.. call the help desk
> at 888-321-2375 or it might be 877 I forget option 2 to get the password
to
> DOWNLOAD the SOFTWARE...
>  or you might say for the SOFTWARE DOWNLOAD.  Since a pro install costs
$150
> if it were me
> I would buy a modem off the internet for cheaper if i could find it. Bell
> south does not want you to do that of course and they will not support a
> modem bought elsewere but then that's not a big deal since we don't
support
> linux anyway
> Be careful of one thing if you do buy a modem on your own since modems
that
> are like the Alcatel 1000 and
> the alcatel speed touch home (the 2 modems supported by BS)  are hard
coded
> no drivers to load you must be
> carefull that  the vpi vci for bellsouth is set to 8:35  many isp's use
0:35
> and there for many modems are set
> to this.... of you have any other questions about using bellsouth dsl post
> them i'll  answer them a better place to post for dsl specific q's is the
> tech support news group fr bell south that you can get to on your bell
south
> news server...
> side note:
> no difference exsists AT ALL  between pppoe and pppoa on the host side....
> the only difference is in the manner inwhich
> a node authenticates-- ppoe=thernet300 .... pppoa=Dial up Networking or
RAS
> dialer or I forget what the mac dialer is
> called..... any linux customer is going to be pppoe it does not matter
what
> it sys you are in the bell south data base
>
>
> gosh
>
>
>
>
> News Mail <Meesh30@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6uDw6.2219$tG3.154721@news1.atl...
> > Help!!!
> >
> > We just got this ADSL and set up Linux Mandrake 7.2 but we can't get it
> > connected. I did the "adsl-setup". Then "adsl-start" and get a
"time-out"
> > message. We are not sure but we may have an IRQ problem. What command
can
> we
> > use to see the list of IRQs?
> >
> >
> > meesh32
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

	..... or tell them that you have no USB, and your PCI slots
are full. Kind of stupid that BS makes you do a little dance when they
could just sell you the ethernet modem to begin with. People have less
issues with them as well.


On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:45:40 -0400, "Moose"
<BUZZOFFbrmalmat@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>In the recent past, it was noted that customer's whose computer won't support the internal PCI or external USB modem would get the
>free Ethernet modem.
>
>What kind of computer would that be? A Mac!
>
>So, tell them you have a Mac.

that's funny I spent a good part of my day searching for a decent news
server and exploring some that i found
---- i had allready heard such bad things about the bellsouth news server
before i switched over



John M. <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:bgrhctge7h9nnoe3qbjmkt0u5ls6qj9pcd@4ax.com...
> A happy Bellsouth customer without a decent news server?
>
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:27:38 -0700, "gosh" <j_cgreen@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >of course it is a possible I suppose that you could find a router similar
to
> >the Caymen 3220
> >to connect to Bell South DSL using linux if you are on a network...
> >I suppose it is also possible that if you search you may find a
compatible
> >pci modem---
> >heck for all I know drivers for the 3com are floating around some where
the
> >modem is known as and can be identified
> >at 3com by it's name the 3com HomeConnect pci
> >
> >I've had my DSL with Bellsouth for a while now and I love it I get a good
> >stable connection at
> >around 800 kb down not bad considering I'm about 18,000 feet from the
> >central office...
> >the only problem I've had is on a rare occasion usualy after a bad
storm...
> >I have to shut down and
> >unplug my modem for a minute than boot back up and I'm back on... no big
> >deal...
> >
> >a happy BellSouth customer,
> >Gosh
> >
> >
> >gosh <j_cgreen@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:R85y6.698$al2.47990@news2.atl...
> >> unfortunately I do believe you will have to get  an ethernet modem
> >> no choice here, the modem that BS supports and provides is the
> >> Alcatel Speed Touch  Home   The unfortunate part is that BS only
> >> gives these modems out on Pro-installs.  THEY DO NOT SHIP
> >> ETHERNET MODEMS period no exceptions....  It can also be a frustrating
> >> experience just getting bell south to ship a different modem...   The
> >reason
> >> that
> >> you will have to go with the ethernet modem is that the only software
> >> bellsouth has for
> >> linux is NTS Ethernet 300 a third party dialer... so you can
authenticate
> >> one way with
> >> ethernet 300 download it from ftp.bellsouth.net.. call the help desk
> >> at 888-321-2375 or it might be 877 I forget option 2 to get the
password
> >to
> >> DOWNLOAD the SOFTWARE...
> >>  or you might say for the SOFTWARE DOWNLOAD.  Since a pro install costs
> >$150
> >> if it were me
> >> I would buy a modem off the internet for cheaper if i could find it.
Bell
> >> south does not want you to do that of course and they will not support
a
> >> modem bought elsewere but then that's not a big deal since we don't
> >support
> >> linux anyway
> >> Be careful of one thing if you do buy a modem on your own since modems
> >that
> >> are like the Alcatel 1000 and
> >> the alcatel speed touch home (the 2 modems supported by BS)  are hard
> >coded
> >> no drivers to load you must be
> >> carefull that  the vpi vci for bellsouth is set to 8:35  many isp's use
> >0:35
> >> and there for many modems are set
> >> to this.... of you have any other questions about using bellsouth dsl
post
> >> them i'll  answer them a better place to post for dsl specific q's is
the
> >> tech support news group fr bell south that you can get to on your bell
> >south
> >> news server...
> >> side note:
> >> no difference exsists AT ALL  between pppoe and pppoa on the host
side....
> >> the only difference is in the manner inwhich
> >> a node authenticates-- ppoe=thernet300 .... pppoa=Dial up Networking or
> >RAS
> >> dialer or I forget what the mac dialer is
> >> called..... any linux customer is going to be pppoe it does not matter
> >what
> >> it sys you are in the bell south data base
> >>
> >>
> >> gosh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> News Mail <Meesh30@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:6uDw6.2219$tG3.154721@news1.atl...
> >> > Help!!!
> >> >
> >> > We just got this ADSL and set up Linux Mandrake 7.2 but we can't get
it
> >> > connected. I did the "adsl-setup". Then "adsl-start" and get a
> >"time-out"
> >> > message. We are not sure but we may have an IRQ problem. What command
> >can
> >> we
> >> > use to see the list of IRQs?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > meesh32
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Ahh.   Maybe with a year contract on the modems, they don't mind giving up
the STH.  Things that make you go hummm.

--
Thanks,  Tracker


(Reply to this newsgroup, or email me @ spam.sucks.tracker@bellsouth.net.
Don't forget to remove the spam.sucks.)

"fubu" <fubu@fubu.com> wrote in message
news:3acb4faa.16824686@news.mco.bellsouth.net...
> ..... or tell them that you have no USB, and your PCI slots
> are full. Kind of stupid that BS makes you do a little dance when they
> could just sell you the ethernet modem to begin with. People have less
> issues with them as well.
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:45:40 -0400, "Moose"
> <BUZZOFFbrmalmat@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >In the recent past, it was noted that customer's whose computer won't
support the internal PCI or external USB modem would get the
> >free Ethernet modem.
> >
> >What kind of computer would that be? A Mac!
> >
> >So, tell them you have a Mac.
>

what is the bridging that your talking about?
"Stray Cat" <Stray_Cat@alt.anonymous.messages> wrote in message
news:gamkctgv5g1j5pi8fa69oi9985l7igk1jj@localhost...
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:34:21 GMT, kryppy@bellsouth.net (Jack Agent
> 3509) wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:55:40 -0400, Stray Cat
> ><Stray_Cat@alt.anonymous.messages> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 05:03:14 GMT, kryppy@bellsouth.net (Jack Agent
> >>3509) wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:25:02 -0400, John M. <none@none.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>A happy Bellsouth customer without a decent news server?
> >>>
> >>>I would be a happy Bellsouth customer even if they just discontinued
> >>>the damn newservers already. They have pretty much always sucked
> >>>anyway.
> >>>
> >>>On the other hand, you could always get a T-1 and then for your $1000
> >>>per month you will have to buy a premium newservice anyway..
> >>>
> >>>You pay $50 for this service...come on. No affordable home broadband
> >>>can even come close to this!! Hell they could also can the stinking
> >>>mail servers for all I care.
> >>
> >>Really? I pay $50, and get good news and mail (but I don't use the
> >>mail, I run my own).
> >
> >Does Telocity's newservers really compare to alt, supernews or any of
> >the premium servers?? When they eventually force me off my bridged
> >connection I will probably get to see firsthand...
>
> Sure. When the server was in top shape completion and speed were
> absolutely stellar. It more than rivaled commercial services, it was
> clearly better. These days completion in now good again, but not quite
> as good as it was. Speed is off a bit during peak hours, but great
> during the day. There is interaction between the completion and the
> speed. When the server is under heavy reading load, completion can
> start to slip. But it a very good freebie still.
>
> Given Bellsouth's now public admission that bridging will be
> deprecated, that ought to clinch it for those who find this important
> to them. How many will wait till it's gone before actually going
> elsewhere is the big question. My feel is that the longer you postpone
> the inevitable, the greater the chance that a change will be more
> difficult or not turn out as well. Of course Bellsouth's performance
> to schedules could mean that bridging will be around a lot longer than
> they are saying now. But so is that news server fiasco that was
> supposed to be cleared up by April 2000. I wouldn't count on this
> though.
>
> >>>Who wants their IP and all that BS crap in the headers anyway?
> >>
> >>My ISP's news server doesn't put IPs in the headers. But they still
> >>can know who made the post.
> >
> >I'm pretty sure anyone running a newserver could tell who made a post
> >in question, the difference is just seeing it in the headers or
> >obtaining a court order.
>
> Anyone running a news server can tell who made posts if they keep
> logs. They don't need a court order to read their own logs. They may
> require a court order to reveal that information to interested third
> parties, but plenty of them will roll over without any legal paperwork
> at all.
>
> >
> >>>One warez post and you would be back on dialup...
> >>
> >>LOL. And you'd lose that account too on the next illegal post if you
> >>upped it directly to a news server. Unless the server was in Russia or
> >>some such place.
> >
> >
> >I'm talking about the difference in upping warez from your bellsouth
> >server vs say alt.net's servers. With one you MAY lose your news
> >account - the other...back on dialup....or the next broadband
> >provider...
> >
>
> Sure. But you might not even lose your news account on alt.net. You
> will have to deal with the legal problems yourself, alt.net doesn't
> get involved in that. They just surrender evidence. But everyone gets
> a second chance there, at least.
>
> All you have to do is re-affirm that you won't use the service in ways
> that are against the AUP. In fact, I don't know anyone who actually
> got shut off for warezing. They generated some posts that led to
> complaints, the complaints were forwarded to the poster and they had
> to reply that they got the complaint and that they would abide by the
> AUP.
>
> The tone of the letter is completely non-accusatory. They don't say
> you did anything wrong or illegal, just that someone complained, and
> if what they say happened is true, it might be a problem.
>
> The only catch with this is that you can't ignore the letter. They
> will send e-mail to your address on record and if you ignore it or it
> bounces, they may disable your ability to post until you get in touch
> with them about this.
>
> But sure, posting something bad to a Bellsouth news server wouldn't be
> smart if you could do it another way, even if you had to pay for that
> other way. However, it's a matter of degree. If someone complains to
> altnet, for example, they get your name and the IP you used too. There
> is nothing to prevent the complainant from also whining to Bellsouth
> about illegal use of the service. Check your AUP on this. It doesn't
> say illegal acts on their servers, it says illegal acts using their
> network.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:46:55 -0500, "charlieman"
<charlieman@bellsouth.netSPAM> wrote:

>what is the bridging that your talking about?

An old style bellsouth adsl connection that has kept it's ip for 1 1/2
years. It also works on anything that has a NIC & TCP

On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:56:16 -0700, "gosh" <j_cgreen@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>unfortunately Bellsouth has allready started  moving all Bridged customers
>to be either pppoa or pppoe.... they said to me that they are doing becuase
>people were stealing the service... disconnecting with billing and then
>getting the helpdesk to register the mac address thus receiving free service
>so a few cheap jerks screwed it up for everybody they quit offering bridged
>a while ago.....


Has anyone been forcefully removed from a bridged connection yet?

unfortunately Bellsouth has allready started  moving all Bridged customers
to be either pppoa or pppoe.... they said to me that they are doing becuase
people were stealing the service... disconnecting with billing and then
getting the helpdesk to register the mac address thus receiving free service
so a few cheap jerks screwed it up for everybody they quit offering bridged
a while ago.....
Jack <kryppy@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3ad4ecdb.88986611@news.atl.bellsouth.net...
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:46:55 -0500, "charlieman"
> <charlieman@bellsouth.netSPAM> wrote:
>
> >what is the bridging that your talking about?
>
> An old style bellsouth adsl connection that has kept it's ip for 1 1/2
> years. It also works on anything that has a NIC & TCP

> Has anyone been forcefully removed from a bridged connection yet?

Not that I've heard of.

Randy S.

> they said to me that they are doing becuase
> people were stealing the service... disconnecting with billing and then
> getting the helpdesk to register the mac address thus receiving free service
> so a few cheap jerks screwed it up for everybody they quit offering bridged
> a while ago.....

? This doesn't make sense to me.  Service is provided through your DSL signal.
If you disconnect with billing, then they will cut off your signal, and poof! no
more service.  Registering your MAC address will do you no good.  It seems more
likely that they are only offering PPPoX because they feel it is more manageable
and flexible (though this is arguable).

Randy S.

i would not call it "forcefully" removed.... but i do know some people are upset
becuase they have to authnicate by using their username/password.

Jack wrote:

> On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:56:16 -0700, "gosh" <j_cgreen@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >unfortunately Bellsouth has allready started  moving all Bridged customers
> >to be either pppoa or pppoe.... they said to me that they are doing becuase
> >people were stealing the service... disconnecting with billing and then
> >getting the helpdesk to register the mac address thus receiving free service
> >so a few cheap jerks screwed it up for everybody they quit offering bridged
> >a while ago.....
>
> Has anyone been forcefully removed from a bridged connection yet?

gosh wrote:

> unfortunately Bellsouth has allready started  moving all Bridged customers
> to be either pppoa or pppoe.... they said to me that they are doing
> becuase people were stealing the service... disconnecting with billing and
> then getting the helpdesk to register the mac address thus receiving free
> service so a few cheap jerks screwed it up for everybody they quit
> offering bridged a while ago.....
> Jack <kryppy@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:3ad4ecdb.88986611@news.atl.bellsouth.net...
>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:46:55 -0500, "charlieman"
>> <charlieman@bellsouth.netSPAM> wrote:
>>
>> >what is the bridging that your talking about?
>>
>> An old style bellsouth adsl connection that has kept it's ip for 1 1/2
>> years. It also works on anything that has a NIC & TCP
> 
> 
> 

Is there anywhere that I can go to get more information about this?  I've 
had BS ADSL for almost 2 years now (from the moment the offerred in 
Atlanta).  I'm now on my 4th IP.  The 3rd was for about 11 months, and was 
only switched because I had to change the MAC adrs.  I remember hearing the 
tech guy be surprised that I was 'on a bridged connection' when he was 
looking up my info.  I really don't know anything about this pppox - but I 
was very happy when I switched to Lunix to find out that I didn't have to 
use it to connect....

Any info would be great!

TIA
geo

-- 

--remove poopoo to reply

I don't think the problem was with people cancelling billing after the fact, but rather doing a 
Helpdesk DHCP registration w/o having done a Bellsouth.net account registration.  E.g. Billing was 
NEVER established from day 1.

lb.
[This followup was posted to bellsouth.net.support.adsl and a copy was sent to the cited author.]

In article <3AD0EE86.8C7FDE34@ufl.edu>, rswitt@ufl.edu says...
> > they said to me that they are doing becuase
> > people were stealing the service... disconnecting with billing and then
> > getting the helpdesk to register the mac address thus receiving free service
> > so a few cheap jerks screwed it up for everybody they quit offering bridged
> > a while ago.....
> 
> ? This doesn't make sense to me.  Service is provided through your DSL signal.
> If you disconnect with billing, then they will cut off your signal, and poof! no
> more service.  Registering your MAC address will do you no good.  It seems more
> likely that they are only offering PPPoX because they feel it is more manageable
> and flexible (though this is arguable).
> 
> Randy S.
> 
> 

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