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Installing WAP on Linux Running Server
#82
Author: CP
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 07:53
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Hi,

I'm currently running a Red Hat 6.2 PRO server and would like to install the
WAP (Wireless Application Protocol ) modules. I want to provide wireless
connection through mobile phones so people can logon with their cellular to
check stats and other options.

Where can I find the modules?
How do I install them?


Any help will be apprecited.
Please reply to cristi99@home.com
or contact me via ICQ 42089348

Thanks you,
Chris
Re: Installing WAP on Linux Running Server
#83
Author: Luke Vogel
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 08:31
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CP wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm currently running a Red Hat 6.2 PRO server and would like to install the
> WAP (Wireless Application Protocol ) modules. I want to provide wireless
> connection through mobile phones so people can logon with their cellular to
> check stats and other options.

So what has that got to do with linux security?
 
> Where can I find the modules?
> How do I install them?

Off topic for this newsgroup.

> Any help will be apprecited.
> Please reply to cristi99@home.com
> or contact me via ICQ 42089348

This is the height of bad ettiquette and bad manners ...

If you ask in a newsgroup you should at least have the courtesy to get
your responses from the newsgroup!  Or are you too lazy?

> Thanks you,
> Chris

Dont mention it!

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Re: Installing WAP on Linux Running Server
#84
Author: Quyama
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:15
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> I'm currently running a Red Hat 6.2 PRO server and would like to install
the
> WAP (Wireless Application Protocol ) modules. I want to provide wireless
> connection through mobile phones so people can logon with their cellular
to
> check stats and other options.
>
> Where can I find the modules?
> How do I install them?
>

All you'll have to do is to add the following lines to your mime.types
configuration-file:

text/vnd.wap.wml                           wml
text/vnd.wap.wmlscript                 wmls
image/vnd.wap.wbmp                  wbmp
application/vnd.wml.wmlscriptc   wmlsc
application/vnd.wap.wmlc            wmlc


maybe this helps you on your way!

// Quyama
Re: Installing WAP on Linux Running Server
#85
Author: CP
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:49
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Thanks Quyama great help!


Sorry for not replying I'm really big time foccused on installing this
server!

Thanks,
Cris



"Quyama" <hatemenow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a4e0a6e$0$22575@reader5...
>
> > I'm currently running a Red Hat 6.2 PRO server and would like to install
> the
> > WAP (Wireless Application Protocol ) modules. I want to provide wireless
> > connection through mobile phones so people can logon with their cellular
> to
> > check stats and other options.
> >
> > Where can I find the modules?
> > How do I install them?
> >
>
> All you'll have to do is to add the following lines to your mime.types
> configuration-file:
>
> text/vnd.wap.wml                           wml
> text/vnd.wap.wmlscript                 wmls
> image/vnd.wap.wbmp                  wbmp
> application/vnd.wml.wmlscriptc   wmlsc
> application/vnd.wap.wmlc            wmlc
>
>
> maybe this helps you on your way!
>
> // Quyama
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Installing WAP on Linux Running Server
#86
Author: Frank Shockley
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:51
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A WHILE BACK, I WAS BROWSING THESE NEWSGROUPS, JUST LIKE YOU ARE NOW AND
CAME ACROSS AN ARTICLE SIMILAR TO THIS. IT SAID YOU COULD MAKE THOUSANDS
OF
DOLLARS CASH WITHIN WEEKS WITH ONLY AN INITIAL INVESTMENT OF $6.00 PLUS
STAMPS! SO I T THOUGHT, "YEAH RIGHT, THIS MUST BE A SCAM OR BLACKMAIL"
LIKE MOST OF US I WAS CURIOUS SO I KEPT READING. IT SAID THAT IF YOU
SEND
$1.00 TO EACH OF THE SIX NAMES AND ADDRESSESS LISTED IN THE ARTICLE, YOU
COULD
MAKE THOUSANDS IN A VERY SHORT TIME. YOU THEN PLACE YOUR OWN NAME AT THE
BOTTOM OF THE LIST AT #6, AND POST THE ARTICLE TO AT LEAST 200-300
NEWSGROUPS.
(THERE ARE ABOUT 32, 000 OF THEM OUT THERE AND THAT'S QUITE A LARGE
MARKET
POOL.) NO CATCH, THAT WAS IT!!! EVEN THOUGH THE INVESTMENT WAS A MEASLY
$6.00, I HAD THREE QUESTIONS THAT NEEDED ANSWERING BEFORE I COULD GET
INVOLVED IN THIS SORT OF THING.
1. IS THIS REALLY LEGAL?
I called a lawyer first. The lawyer was a little skeptical that I would
actually make any CASH but he said it WAS LEGAL if I wanted to try it.
I told him it sounded a lot like a chain letter but the details of the
system 
(SEE BELOW) actually made it a legitimate legal business.
2. IS OK WITH THE POST OFFICE OR IS IT MAIL FRAUD? I called them:
1-800-725-2161 and they confirmed THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! (See 18, h
sections1302 
NS 1341 of Postal Lottery Laws). This clarifies the program of
collecting names 
and addresses for a mailing list.
3. IS IT RIGHT? Well, everyone who sends me a buck has a good chance of
getting A LOT of CASH ... a much better chance than buying a lottery
ticket!!!
So, having these questions answered, I invested EXACTLY $7.92 ... six
$1.00 bills and six 32 cent postage stamps ... and boy am I glad I
did!!!
Within 7 days, I started getting CASH in the mail! I was shocked! I
figured
it would end soon and didn't give it another thought. But the CASH
continued
coming in. In my first week I made between $20 to $30. By the end of the
second 
week I had a made a total of $1,000.00. In the third week I had over
$10,000.00 
and it was still growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a
total of
just over $42,000 and it's still coming in ..... It's certainly worth
$6.00 
and 6 stamps !!! Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW,
so 
you can get the information off of it as you need it. I promise you that
if you 
follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more CASH than
you thought
possible by doing something so easy!
Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (print it out or
download
it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the CASH come in! It's easy.
It's legal.
And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage)
IMPORTANT: This is not a rip-off; it is not indecent; it is not illegal;
and it is virtually no risk - it really works!!!! If all of the
following 
instructions are adhered to, you will receive extraordinary dividends.
PLEASE NOTE:
Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or more can be yours
in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful because of the honesty
and 
integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by carefully
adhering
to the instructions. You will now become part of the Mail Order
business.
In this business your product is not solid and tangible, it's a service.
You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large
corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the
CASH 
made from the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made
from people
like you and me asking to be included in that list.
HERE ARE THE FOUR EASY STEPS TO SUCCESS:
STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each
piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST." Now get 6 US $1.00
bills 
and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not
be seen
through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Place one paper in each of
the 6
envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each
with a 
piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name and address, and a
$1.00 bill.
What you are doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You
are 
requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it! Like most of
us I 
was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of
it all. So I
checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) and they
confirmed that it is indeed legal! Mail the 6 envelopes to the following
addresses:


#1) Baraquin Yannick
10 Charlemagne
L-1328 Luxemburg
Luxemburg

#2) Fco Javier A.
107 ote Matancillas
Garza Garcia NL
Mexico 66230

#3) Rick L. Baue
908 Brownell
Glendale, MO 63122-3202

#4) Edward C. Holt
857 Mountain Rd.
Boyertown, PA 19512

#5) Jared MacCauley
73 Mary St #3
Barrie ON, Canada
L4N 1T2

#6)Frank Shockley
1431 Laurens Rd
Greenville, SC 29607

STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as 
number 6 on the list.
STEP 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as
close
to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at least 300 
newsgroups. (I think there are close to 32,000 groups) All you need is
300, but
remember, the more you post, the more CASH you make! This is perfectly
legal! 
If you have any doubts, refer to 18 Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the Postal
lottery laws. 
Keep a copy of these steps for yourself and, whenever you need CASH, you
can use
it again, and again. PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains
successful because 
of the honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully
adhering 
to the directions. Look at it this way. If you are a person of
integrity, the 
program will continue and the CASH that so many others have received
will come your
way.
NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you, either
on
a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. This
VERIFIES that 
you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might be a good idea to
wrap the $1 
bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.) So, as each post
is downloaded 
and the directions carefully followed, six members will be reimbursed
for their 
participation as a List Developer with one dollar each. Your name will
move up the 
list geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you
will be 
receiving thousands of CASH in CASH!!! What an opportunity for only
$6.00 ($1.00 
for each of the first six people listed above) Send it now, add your own
name to 
the list and you're in business!
---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS
Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
posting.
Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag your
cursor to 
the bottom of this letter, and select 'copy' from the edit menu. This
will copy 
the entire letter into the computer's memory.
Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top of
the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a
copy of 
the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list.
Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
your postings 
in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to.
Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various
newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.)
Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
message by 
highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit
menu. Fill 
in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they
scroll through 
the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message
button. You're 
done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to
do is jump 
to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it
will take
about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!
**REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE CASH YOU WILL
MAKE!!
BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**
That's it! You will begin receiving CASH from around the world within
days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount
of mail 
you will receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name
to use, as 
long as the postman will deliver it. **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES
ARE CORRECT.**
Now the WHY part:
Out of 300 postings, say I receive only 7 replies (a very low example).
So then I 
made $7.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 7 persons
who just 
sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 300 postings, each with my name at #5 and
only 7 
persons respond to each of the 7 original 7, that is another $49.00 for
me, now 
those 49 each make 300 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 7
replies each, 
I will bring in an additional $343.00! Now, those 343 persons turn
around and post the
MINIMUM 300 with my name at #3 and only receive 7 replies each, I will
make an additional 
$2401.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 2401 persons post
a MINIMUM 300 
letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 7 replies, that
just made me
$16,807.00!!! Those 16807 persons will all deliver this message to 300
newsgroups with 
my name at #1 and if still 7 persons per 300 Newsgroups react I will
receive 
$117,649.00! With an original investment of only $6.00! And some stamps.
AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the
latest
posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the
list, 
putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing
to remember
is: do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are
joining the 
internet and reading these articles everyday? JUST LIKE YOU are now!!
So, can you
afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... People have
said, "what 
if the plan is played out and no one sends you the CASH? So what! What
are the
chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and
new honest
people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are
willing to give
it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with
thousands of
those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY
and this 
will really work. By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting
the messages with
your name in the list and not sending the CASH to the rest of the people
already 
on the list, you will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone
who did 
that and he only made about $150.00, and that's after seven or eight
weeks! Then he
sent the 6 $1.00 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5
weeks he had
over $10k. This is the fairest and most honest way I have ever seen to
share the
wealth of the world without costing anything but our time!!! You also
may want to 
buy mailing and e-mail lists for future CASH.
Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW! Also, try to keep a list
of
everyone that sends you CASH and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to
make
sure everyone is playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.
You don't 
need to cheat the basic idea to make the CASH!! GOOD LUCK to all and
please
play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons of extra
CASH.
Please remember to declare your extra income. Thanks once again...
People have asked me if this is really legal. Well, it is! You are using
the Internet to advertise your business. What is that business? You are
creating 
a mailing list of people who are interested in home based computer and
online business and methods of generating income at home. Remember,
people send
you a small fee to be added to your mailing list. It is legal. what will
you do
with your list of thousands of names? That's up to you." So, build your
mailing 
list, keep good accounts, declare the income and pay your taxes. By
doing this 
you prove your business intentions. Keep an eye on the newsgroups and
when the
cash has stopped coming (that means your name is no longer on the list),
you just
take the latest posting at the newsgroups, send another $6.00 to the
names stated 
on the list, make your corrections (put your name at #6) and start
posting again.
NOTES:
*1. In some countries, the export of the country's exchange is illegal.
But
you can get the license to do this from the post office, explaining the
above 
statements (that you have an online business, etc. You may have to pay
an
extra tax, but that's OK, the amount of the incoming CASH is HUGE! And
as
I said, a few countries have that restriction.
*2. You may want to buy mailing and e-mail lists for future CASH. (Or
Database or 
Spreadsheet software.)
*3. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real,
please
print a copy of this article and give it to someone who really needs the
CASH, 
and see what happens.
*4. You will start getting responses within 1-2 weeks, it depends.
***ALSO REMEMBER***
SEND YOUR $1 OUT TO EVERYONE ON THE LIST, EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT FROM THE
U.S.
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR???
$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!$$$!!!


 
mark
Unregistered User
(12/8/00 3:34:47 am)
Reply Will it realy work
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If it will work could you tell me how to do it from the uk 

 
peter
Unregistered User
(12/9/00 5:42:29 am)
Reply it will not work
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try with mathematics; and you will find out, that
after a short while the no of letters (names ) are more than population
on earth. it only works for the beginners.
it did not work in the 70th, 80th and 90th; why it should now????
rgds 

 
huh
Unregistered User
(12/15/00 1:24:21 pm)
Reply postage
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
last time I checked, it costed a little more than 1 stamp to send
something to Luxemburg from the USA. if you really want this to take
off, post this message to USA only message boards & newsgroups.` 

 
 
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CP wrote:
> 
> Thanks Quyama great help!
> 
> Sorry for not replying I'm really big time foccused on installing this
> server!
> 
> Thanks,
> Cris
> 
> "Quyama" <hatemenow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3a4e0a6e$0$22575@reader5...
> >
> > > I'm currently running a Red Hat 6.2 PRO server and would like to install
> > the
> > > WAP (Wireless Application Protocol ) modules. I want to provide wireless
> > > connection through mobile phones so people can logon with their cellular
> > to
> > > check stats and other options.
> > >
> > > Where can I find the modules?
> > > How do I install them?
> > >
> >
> > All you'll have to do is to add the following lines to your mime.types
> > configuration-file:
> >
> > text/vnd.wap.wml                           wml
> > text/vnd.wap.wmlscript                 wmls
> > image/vnd.wap.wbmp                  wbmp
> > application/vnd.wml.wmlscriptc   wmlsc
> > application/vnd.wap.wmlc            wmlc
> >
> >
> > maybe this helps you on your way!
> >
> > // Quyama
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Re: *MAKE ENEMIES FAST* (was Re: Installing WAP on Linux Running Server)
#87
Author: Jim Dennis
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:09
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In article <3A565F94.406FD169@home.com>, Frank Shockley wrote:

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>A WHILE BACK, I WAS BROWSING THESE NEWSGROUPS, JUST LIKE YOU ARE NOW AND
>CAME ACROSS AN ARTICLE SIMILAR TO THIS. IT SAID YOU COULD MAKE THOUSANDS
>OF
>DOLLARS CASH WITHIN WEEKS WITH ONLY AN INITIAL INVESTMENT OF $6.00 PLUS
 ^^^^^^^^ enemies. 

 ...

>INVOLVED IN THIS SORT OF THING.
>1. IS THIS REALLY LEGAL?

>I called a lawyer first. The lawyer was a little skeptical that I would
>actually make any CASH but he said it WAS LEGAL if I wanted to try it.
>I told him it sounded a lot like a chain letter but the details of the
>system 
>(SEE BELOW) actually made it a legitimate legal business.

 What was the Lawyer's name and address?  Were they willing to 
 put that in writing and offer to represent you "pro bono" in
 any charges resulting from your behavior.

>2. IS OK WITH THE POST OFFICE OR IS IT MAIL FRAUD? I called them:
>1-800-725-2161 and they confirmed THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! (See 18, h
>sections1302 NS 1341 of Postal Lottery Laws). This clarifies the program of
>collecting names and addresses for a mailing list.

 You're lying.

 ...

>in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful because of the 
> honesty and integrity of the participants. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = gullibility and greed

>In this business your product is not solid and tangible, it's a service.
>You are in the business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large

  Right!  Somewhere else you're willing to send me a list of 
  morons who throw dollar bills into the mail.  People who are
  to lazy to do simple arithmetic.  Here's an example:



>---DIRECTIONS ----- FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS
> Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
> posting.  Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and 
> drag your cursor to the bottom of this letter, and select 'copy' from 
> the edit menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computer's memory.

 Wow.  This "entire letter" isn't already in my computer's memory.
 How could I be reading it then?

 I don't have an "edit" menu (nor a mouse cursor, nor even a mouse on 
 this system).

>Step 2) Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top of
>the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select 'paste'. This will paste a
>copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list.

 Notepad.  That's one of those damn MS Windows thingies, isn't it?

>Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file. If you want to do
>your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go 
back to.

>Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try searching for various
>newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.)

 Netscape, IE, for newsreading!  Egads, how NASTY! (give me tin, gnus,
 or slrn any day).

>Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a new
>message by 
>highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit
>menu. Fill 
>in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they
>scroll through 
>the list of postings in a particular group, click the post message
>button. You're 
>done with your first one! Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to
>do is jump 
>to different newsgroups and post away, after you get the hang of it, it
>will take
>about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!
>**REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE CASH YOU WILL
>MAKE!!

 30 seconds!  Any idiot could write a script to automate this.
 The problem is that too many idiots have!

>Now the WHY part:

 ... [early iterations ellided] ... 

>I will bring in an additional $343.00! Now, those 343 persons turn
>around and post the
>MINIMUM 300 with my name at #3 and only receive 7 replies each, I will
>make an additional 

	343 * 300 = 102900

  ... so now we have 100k stupid postings in 32K newsgroups which 
  about .01 per cent of the netnews reading population is STUPID
  enough to read.  Obviously I was stupid enough to read this
  one, but I decided to review my basic arithmetic over my first
  cup of coffee.  

  So we've made three postings to every newsgroup.  At which point
  *everyone* who reads netnews has seen it.  All this and you didn't
  make enough to make one month's rent.

>$2401.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 2401 persons post
>a MINIMUM 300 
>letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 7 replies, that
>just made me
>$16,807.00!!! Those 16807 persons will all deliver this message to 300

 	2401 * 300 = 720300 
 	720300 / 32000 = 22 messages IN EVERY GODDAMN NEWSGROUP!  

	16807 * 300 / 32000 = 157 messages 

 Anyone who can't figure out that the market saturation point nets
 WAY less then $200 dollars is truly an idiot.

 ...

>putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing
>to remember
>is: do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are
>joining the 
>internet and reading these articles everyday? JUST LIKE YOU are now!!

 Less then .01 percent of those "thousands" of people are stupid enough
 to send you any money.

 ...

>*2. You may want to buy mailing and e-mail lists for future CASH. (Or
>Database or Spreadsheet software.)

 ... 

  Anyone want to place bets that someone behind this post also sells
  spam lists? 
Re: *MAKE ENEMIES FAST* (was Re: Installing WAP on Linux Running Server)
#88
Author: Tim Haynes
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:04
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a) Don't followup to spam

b) If you're going to set followup-to: headers, have the decency to
   announce it.

*thread-plonk*

~Tim
-- 
Another day,                                    |piglet@glutinous.custard.org
Another apt-get dist-upgrade                    |http://piglet.is.dreaming.org
Re: *MAKE ENEMIES FAST* (was Re: Installing WAP on Linux Running Server)
#89
Author: Jim Dennis
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:42
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2274 bytes
In article <868zonj766.fsf@potato.vegetable.org.uk>, Tim Haynes wrote:

>a) Don't followup to spam

 If it amuses me; what's it to you? 

>b) If you're going to set followup-to: headers, have the decency to
>   announce it.

>*thread-plonk*
>~Tim
 
 That seems to be a new convention.  It wasn't common about three
 years ago.

 *thread-plonk*
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