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you fucking idiot..unlocking a phone to use on different provider is not
illegal..you own it..your property...maybe in european countryies where
every part of your life...it might be illegal there..but in the usa its
perfectly legal...if you show me proof thats it's illegal..i'll shut
up...but the illegal debact has been going in newsgroups almost a year..and
not one person can show a link to a law site that proves people wrong about
unlocking..its legal..if its illegal to unlock..then its illegal for
companys to lock them.. people that whine about people unlocking are half
the time that are provider vendors..
"Michael Yermian" <myermian00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uusolj88fd5g1a@corp.supernews.com...
> Umm, no ... it IS illegal... It is NOTHING like buying a car and
> installing an after market sound system... what your comparing is like
> purchasing a Nokia 3360 and then changing the face plate or getting a
> flashing battery ... whoopdie doo. Your analogies are way off... next
> time make sure the little wheels in your head are spinning before you
> comment on something you obviously know nothing about...
>
> --
> Michael Y.
>
>
> "Nokia Freak 816" <dmays2@kc.rr.com> wrote in article
> <3uoH9.32914$Xr6.379336@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>:
> > it is not illegal to buy a locked phone .then unlock it for another
> > provider..there is no law agaist it..thats your phone...u paid for
it...you
> > own it..thats like saying u got a new car..then them saying you cant put
> > after market sound system... UNLOCKING is legal..its your property..no
> > matter what provider it was ment for....
> > "Michael Yermian" <myermian00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:uur0042ienptd7@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Troll??
> > >
> > > If they aren't really ~200+ dollars of cost, then why are unlocked
> > > phones so expensive??
> > >
> > > Do you really think that selling a phone for $25 will gain them
profit??
> > > I'm not saying don't buy one. Obviously you have no idea what the
> > > context of the post was... it wasn't about purchaing a phone without
> > > activation ... it was about purchasing it without activation so that
the
> > > person could UNLOCK it and use it on another network! Upgrading is
LEGAL
> > > .. that is why they sell the phones for $25 ... because they are
> > > reimbursed for their loss by ATTWS ... why? Because the customers stay
> > > happy when they walk out with a new phone for $25!
> > >
> > > You say that if they are dumb enough to sell it then everyone should
get
> > > one? Fine, go ahead... noone is stopping you, but the point I was
making
> > > was that it is unethical and ILLEGAL to purchase it to merely unlock
the
> > > phone... it is called FRAUD moron.
> > >
> > > Haven't you ever heard of the phrase "Give the razors for free, make
the
> > > money on the blades?" ... duh, its the same thing here. They lose
money
> > > on a lot of phones they sell, but make up for that with a monthly
> > > subscription!
> > >
> > > Video games function the same way... XBox sold its units for less than
> > > the cost to make them! They ate the cost... you know why!? Because
they
> > > make money on the games! NOT THE FREAKIN UNITS... now what happens
when
> > > someone decides to NOT purchase ANY games at all, but rather to MOD
> > > their XBox and download every game... that means Microsoft just lost
> > > money on a unit and didn't make the profit back... SAME SITUATION
HERE!
> > > If you aren't a customer or don't plan to be one, then why purchase
the
> > > phone!? So you can Illegally use it on another network? Geez... why
> > > don't you read the entire thread before ranting off at me. So why
don't
> > > >>YOU<< go elsewhere... TROLL!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Y.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Nokia Freak 816" <dmays2@kc.rr.com> wrote in article
> > > <wQbH9.39742$ry.373879@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>:
> > > > hey u pay for it..its your to do what ever the hell you want with
> > it...if
> > > > there dumb enough to sell the phone to somebody with out
> > activating..then i
> > > > say everybody that wants one go for it..come on...everybody knows it
> > dont
> > > > cost 200+  to make a phone when there thousands and thousands of
every
> > model
> > > > being made...if it really was like that...hardly anybody would be
able
> > to
> > > > afford them..like back in 80's and 90's...like i said if there going
to
> > sell
> > > > the phone with out activation...i would buy one if i like the
model..so
> > go
> > > > away troll
> > > > "Michael Yermian" <myermian00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:uuqegt2pbub498@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > So lemme get this straight....
> > > > > Best Buy made profit on the "marked" up Nokia 8265 that they sold
for
> > > > > $25?
> > > > > Did they make profit on the times they sold the Pan310 for $30?
How
> > > > > about that N8260 for $25? SE T61LX for a penny --How do you mark
that
> > > > > up??
> > > > >
> > > > > WRONG! They don't make profit on phones, and if they did it isn't
THAT
> > > > > big (unless it is a Sprint phone) ... the real money is in
commission
> > > > > for activating or upgrading your phone.
> > > > >
> > > > > And the last user wasn't talking about FRAUD for purchasing a
phone
> > for
> > > > > upgrade... the initial post of the user was on how to buy a
subsadized
> > > > > phone at a low cost so he can unlock it himself (FRAUD!) and use
it on
> > > > > another system...
> > > > >
> > > > > I supposed that "burn outs" aren't bad either right? They only
hurt
> > the
> > > > > company a little bit right? Heck, while we are at it, if anyone
wants
> > > > > to, lets explain how to steal cable for free or even Satellite TV?
> > > > > Anyone figure out a way how to get free cable modem?
> > > > >
> > > > > If cell phones are really that cheap then you should be able to
buy an
> > > > > UNLOCKED phone for a nice price, NOT $300+ ...
> > > > >
> > > > > If you REALLY want an unlocked phone, why not purchase it
LEGALLY?? I
> > > > > guess cost is an issue, so it is ok if a BIG company pays the rest
for
> > > > > you right? You pay $100 and they'll take care of the other $100+
?? I
> > > > > mean they'll make money on the service -- oh wait, your not
activating
> > > > > it with them! FUN!
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Michael Y.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Nokia Freak 816" <dmays2@kc.rr.com> wrote in article
> > > > > <5%8H9.21700$Fi7.332224@twister.kc.rr.com>:
> > > > > > every retail store jacks the price up atleast 35%...do you think
> > stores
> > > > > > would sell for cell phone companies if they werent making the
profit
> > > > from
> > > > > > that price stated..no
> > > > > > "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <nobody@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3decbd52$0$22216$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
> > > > > > > Why is that beating the system?  The Ad says no activation
> > required,
> > > > than
> > > > > > > that is that.  I suspect these phones are hugely discounted
due to
> > > > > > inventory
> > > > > > > volume and perhaps new models in the pipeline.  They are just
> > hoping
> > > > that
> > > > > > > you will get AT&T service (and the fact the phone is locked).
> > There
> > > > is
> > > > > > > nothing stopping you from getting the phone and using it with
> > existing
> > > > > > > [AT&T] service
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom Veldhouse
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "KinderCare" <iwi@ffsf.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:te%G9.398$zd1.335578@news.uswest.net...
> > > > > > > > Make sure you teach your kids how to beat the system. Sit
them
> > down
> > > > at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > table, in fact nows a good time with XMAS and the Holidays
> > starting,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > just say "Son, this is how its done. Its OK to commit fraud,
and
> > > > bend
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > rules. Ethics, naw you wont ever use that stuff"  You people
> > make me
> > > > > > ill.
> > > > > > > > Same ones who also bitch and holler cause they cant get more
> > > > minutes,
> > > > > > cant
> > > > > > > > get through to customer service etc etc.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bunch of friggin clowns. Thanks for reinforcing why I got
out of
> > > > retail.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Nick Hill" <boeingair@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:OIKG9.54949$kz4.2660292@news2.west.cox.net...
> > > > > > > > > Coolio, thanks!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "David Pivazian" <david@pivazian.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:uumtrh88hq5o76@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Nick,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you get Sunday's LA Times and there is a
BestBuy
> > Ad
> > > > inside
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > clear indication that ATT phones are on sale without
> > activation
> > > > > > > > > requirement
> > > > > > > > > > (unless you buy more than one phone.)  You can see for
> > Cingular
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > T-Mobile
> > > > > > > > > > phones price tag says "Activation Required."  You can
get an
> > Ad
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > store
> > > > > > > > > > too.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So, it is not a mistake or a misprint or lack of
experience
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > clerk,
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > is an agreement between ATT and BestBuy for promotional
> > sale.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > David
> > > > > > > > > > Los Angeles, CA
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Nick Hill" <boeingair@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:YUpG9.42902$kz4.2176212@news2.west.cox.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello All,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hope you had a happy thanksgiving.  Heard somewhere
that
> > at
> > > > > > bestbuy,
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > buy some phones at the subsidized price without
activating
> > > > them.
> > > > > > Is
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > true?  I am in So. Cal., so could I get an 8390 from
ATT
> > > > there?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for your time!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -Nick
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