🚀 go-pugleaf

+rant mode

Cel phones, pagers AND watches go off at the STUPIDEST time. Everyone nearby
is subject to an interuption they did not ask for or have any control over.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE learn how to behave with your techno-gear. You have the
ability to stay in touch where-ever, when-ever. REMEMBER! People are getting
in touch with you and only you. EVERY ONE ELSE IS BEING BOTHERED BY YOUR
BEEPING AND BOOPING!!!

At and around schools these beeps and boops  are used as attention-getters
(LOOK at ME!!!) This is wrong (but not unexpected)!

I work in an industry where having your noise-maker go off in a
meeting/special event is DEATH (or at least unemployment) It's hard enough
going thru school/work with all the distractions that exist let alone 24/7
2-way communications; it's no wonder schools ban pagers and phones. Learn to
be responsible with your toys

Whether it's your school or my meeting; THE PHONE CAN WAIT!!! Unless you art
an EMS or POTUS; THE CALL can WAIT!!! DEAL WITH IT!!

-rant mode

Tech1 out

BTW, ask nicely, promise to vibrate forevermore, and you MIGHT get it back.

Uhh........ don't most pagers and cell phones comes with Vibrating feature
now-a-days?

If not, JUST GET ONE THAT DOES!!


oNkYo ���g��峹 ...
>Does teachers and administrators have the right to confiscate them?
>
>My friend had hers taken away because it went off in the office after
>school.
>The principal said that she was making drug deals, and gave it to the
>constable liaison of the school.
>Isn't this bizarre?
>The real bizarre thing is that if your watch alarm goes off, they don't
>care. but if your pager does, they get really mad.
>
>I really don't think that they have the right to confiscate anything
because
>they are personal property.
>It's not like they're illegal like switch blades, fireworks... I could
>understand if they were taken away
>if it went off in class but out of class after school? I couldn't
understand
>why would they confiscate pagers
>and cell phones. Why do kids have them at school? It's totally none of your
>business.
>
>What authority would they have?
>It's like have some guy on the streets coming up to you and say "hey dude,
>gimme that pager."
>It's totally wrong.
>
>Anyways, what can I write to the administrator to have the pager back?
>
>(remove everything after @home.com to reply)
>
>
>
>
>

On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 03:30:31 GMT, in
article<r7LX3.64687$Rx2.767849@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>,"oNkYo"
<onkyo@home.com[removeallthisjunk]> wrote: with much thought

Depends on the local school board policy or the policy for your
building. Check it out. 
>Does teachers and administrators have the right to confiscate them?
>
>My friend had hers taken away because it went off in the office after
>school.
>The principal said that she was making drug deals, and gave it to the
>constable liaison of the school.
>Isn't this bizarre?
>The real bizarre thing is that if your watch alarm goes off, they don't
>care. but if your pager does, they get really mad.
>
>I really don't think that they have the right to confiscate anything because
>they are personal property.
>It's not like they're illegal like switch blades, fireworks... I could
>understand if they were taken away
>if it went off in class but out of class after school? I couldn't understand
>why would they confiscate pagers
>and cell phones. Why do kids have them at school? It's totally none of your
>business.
>
>What authority would they have?
>It's like have some guy on the streets coming up to you and say "hey dude,
>gimme that pager."
>It's totally wrong.
>
>Anyways, what can I write to the administrator to have the pager back?
>
>(remove everything after @home.com to reply)
>
>
>
>

John Huff

In article <r7LX3.64687$Rx2.767849@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>,
  "oNkYo" <onkyo@home.com[removeallthisjunk]> wrote:
> Does teachers and administrators have the right to confiscate them?

     Actually I believe the answer to your question would be yes. When
you child is at school the guardians have temporarly handed over
parental rights to the school (the school is as resposible for the
childs welfare as a parent would). In this case the school can inforce
any disipline within the realm of law and the realm of parenting. Now,
they DO NOT have the right to keep the phone, the parents of this child
should just go to the school and ask for it back, the school in my
opinion has no right to refuse. Of course this is just my opinion, there
may be legalities which I am just not aware of, however most laws
conform to the laws of common sense. TTYL


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Before you buy.

>Actually I believe the answer to your question would be yes. When
>you child is at school the guardians have temporarily handed over
>parental rights to the school (the school is as responsible for the
>child's welfare as a parent would).

This argument is tenuous if the student is 16 years of age or older, and
clearly does not apply if the student is 18 years of age or older. Given
that an 18 year-old is LEGALLY an adult, I don't see that a school would
have any legal grounds to confiscate private property. Yes they could
suspend the student if he failed to comply with a REQUEST to hand over a
pager or cell phone, but that might be opening a can of worms best left
untouched.
--
Steve Punter
http://www.arcx.com/sites

Get a pager with a vibrate feature and make contact with the person paging
you after or between classes.  The cell phone has this unique feature called
the "O-F-F" button.  During class it should be turned off.  People who you
gave out your number to should be reminded that you are in class and may not
be able to be contacted during that time.  When you get into the so-called
"real world" of business...you may end up in the unemployment line if your
pager or cell phone interrupts a meeting.  Been there, done that!


oNkYo wrote in message ...
>Does teachers and administrators have the right to confiscate them?
>
>My friend had hers taken away because it went off in the office after
>school.
>The principal said that she was making drug deals, and gave it to the
>constable liaison of the school.
>Isn't this bizarre?
>The real bizarre thing is that if your watch alarm goes off, they don't
>care. but if your pager does, they get really mad.
>
>I really don't think that they have the right to confiscate anything
because
>they are personal property.
>It's not like they're illegal like switch blades, fireworks... I could
>understand if they were taken away
>if it went off in class but out of class after school? I couldn't
understand
>why would they confiscate pagers
>and cell phones. Why do kids have them at school? It's totally none of your
>business.
>
>What authority would they have?
>It's like have some guy on the streets coming up to you and say "hey dude,
>gimme that pager."
>It's totally wrong.
>
>Anyways, what can I write to the administrator to have the pager back?
>
>(remove everything after @home.com to reply)
>
>
>
>
>

> My friend had hers taken away because it went off in the office after
> school.
> The principal said that she was making drug deals, and gave it to the
> constable liaison of the school.
> Isn't this bizarre?
> The real bizarre thing is that if your watch alarm goes off, they don't
> care. but if your pager does, they get really mad.

Well the question is, was your friend making drug deals or not?  I'm
assuming not.  And it's not right for principals and teachers to assume that
just beacuse a kid has a pager, that they're making deals.  If it gets out
that the principal implied your friend was a drug dealer, or whatever, and
they're not, I'd have your friends parents go in and give him a talking too.
I'd also consider a defamation lawsuit.

Marcus AAkesson wrote:
> 
> oNkYo wrote:
> 
> >Does teachers and administrators have the right to confiscate them?
> 
> Probably depends on where You are!
> 
> Here, the answer is No. They have no right to confiscate anything that is
> not illegal in a public place, like firearms and knifes.

Every district has different rules.  If students bring banned articles
onto campus, the teachers have EVERY right to confiscate them during
classtime  --  students in our district can pick them up in the office
at the end of the school day.  If they continue to bring banned articles
to class, it is considered to be an infraction of school rules and, as
such, can be punished with a disciplinary slip, time in DMC (in-school
detention) or (with parental permission) corporal punishment.  Do
teachers have the right to KEEP the articles they confiscate?  No.

> 
> If school regulations prohibits phones within the building, they can tell
> You to stop using it, and if refused, contact the parents or ultimately ban
> You from attending class. They have no parental rights at all.
> 

Wrong.  To refuse a reasonable teacher directive (in this case, to
follow  school rules) is a direct infraction of school rules.  If I were
you, I'd look closely at the disciplinary plan of your school.
As for whether teachers have any parental rights at all  --  what would
these be?  The power to take stuff away from you?  The power to keep you
safe?  There are many situations during school activities (such as
school trips) where, under most states' laws, teachers DO stand 'in loco
parentis', meaning that we are responsible for your safety.


> Another related question is smoking. While it is not allowed to smoke in the
> buildings or on school property, they can't take away your cigarettes, not
> even if You brake the rules and smoke indoors. They can throw You out, but
> not take the cigs.

Again, check your district.  In most Texas school districts, tobacco is
an illegal substance that cannot evn be possessed by persons under the
age of 18.  So teachers (in fact, anyone employed by the district) CAN
confiscate your cigarettes, and you won't even be able to pick them up
at the end of the day. Instead, you'll be charged with possession of
tobacco and probably do three days in DMC, plus you might be charged in
juvenile court and have to pay a fine.

> 
> BTW, if using a phone was equal to selling drugs, they would have serios
> problems here since around 80% of 14-18-year-olds have phones. Problems in
> class? Shure! Talking/ringing is of course not a major issue, but a lot of
> people keep sending and receiving SMS while in class.
> 
> /Marcus

80%?  Whew, where did you get THOSE figures?  You've obviously led a
very sheltered life.  Again, you'd better check your district.  In most
of those in Texas, you'd have to kiss that cell phone goodbye  --  and
if you brought it to school more than once, you'd be charged, sent to
alternative school (where you can't even bring GUM into class), and your
parents would probably be out several hundred dollars in court costs.  

Appleman

In article <Qr_X3.8993$T4.1987787@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com>,
  "Steve Punter" <punter1445@home.com> wrote:
> This argument is tenuous if the student is 16 years of age or older,
and
> clearly does not apply if the student is 18 years of age or older.
Given
> that an 18 year-old is LEGALLY an adult, I don't see that a school
would
> have any legal grounds to confiscate private property. Yes they could
> suspend the student if he failed to comply with a REQUEST to hand
over a
> pager or cell phone, but that might be opening a can of worms best
left
> untouched.

     Yes I agree, I forgot to put that in my prior post that what I
said only applied to children younger than 16, once you hit 16 there
are alot of tiny things that muddy up the waters. Thanks for the
correction, TTYL


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Before you buy.

oNkYo wrote:

>Does teachers and administrators have the right to confiscate them?


Probably depends on where You are!

Here, the answer is No. They have no right to confiscate anything that is
not illegal in a public place, like firearms and knifes.

If school regulations prohibits phones within the building, they can tell
You to stop using it, and if refused, contact the parents or ultimately ban
You from attending class. They have no parental rights at all.

Another related question is smoking. While it is not allowed to smoke in the
buildings or on school property, they can't take away your cigarettes, not
even if You brake the rules and smoke indoors. They can throw You out, but
not take the cigs.

BTW, if using a phone was equal to selling drugs, they would have serios
problems here since around 80% of 14-18-year-olds have phones. Problems in
class? Shure! Talking/ringing is of course not a major issue, but a lot of
people keep sending and receiving SMS while in class.

/Marcus

I believe Marcus is from Scandinavia where cell phone usage is just a tad
more prevalent than in North America.


--
Austin
alocke at mindless.com
Fido Roaming Info http://members.home.net/austinlocke

mystic <mystic@lcc.net> wrote in message news:3830E698.6089@lcc.net...
> Marcus AAkesson wrote:
> >
> > oNkYo wrote:
> >
> > >Does teachers and administrators have the right to confiscate them?
> >
> > Probably depends on where You are!
> >
> > Here, the answer is No. They have no right to confiscate anything that
is
> > not illegal in a public place, like firearms and knifes.
>
> Every district has different rules.  If students bring banned articles
> onto campus, the teachers have EVERY right to confiscate them during
> classtime  --  students in our district can pick them up in the office
> at the end of the school day.  If they continue to bring banned articles
> to class, it is considered to be an infraction of school rules and, as
> such, can be punished with a disciplinary slip, time in DMC (in-school
> detention) or (with parental permission) corporal punishment.  Do
> teachers have the right to KEEP the articles they confiscate?  No.
>
> >
> > If school regulations prohibits phones within the building, they can
tell
> > You to stop using it, and if refused, contact the parents or ultimately
ban
> > You from attending class. They have no parental rights at all.
> >
>
> Wrong.  To refuse a reasonable teacher directive (in this case, to
> follow  school rules) is a direct infraction of school rules.  If I were
> you, I'd look closely at the disciplinary plan of your school.
> As for whether teachers have any parental rights at all  --  what would
> these be?  The power to take stuff away from you?  The power to keep you
> safe?  There are many situations during school activities (such as
> school trips) where, under most states' laws, teachers DO stand 'in loco
> parentis', meaning that we are responsible for your safety.
>
>
> > Another related question is smoking. While it is not allowed to smoke in
the
> > buildings or on school property, they can't take away your cigarettes,
not
> > even if You brake the rules and smoke indoors. They can throw You out,
but
> > not take the cigs.
>
> Again, check your district.  In most Texas school districts, tobacco is
> an illegal substance that cannot evn be possessed by persons under the
> age of 18.  So teachers (in fact, anyone employed by the district) CAN
> confiscate your cigarettes, and you won't even be able to pick them up
> at the end of the day. Instead, you'll be charged with possession of
> tobacco and probably do three days in DMC, plus you might be charged in
> juvenile court and have to pay a fine.
>
> >
> > BTW, if using a phone was equal to selling drugs, they would have serios
> > problems here since around 80% of 14-18-year-olds have phones. Problems
in
> > class? Shure! Talking/ringing is of course not a major issue, but a lot
of
> > people keep sending and receiving SMS while in class.
> >
> > /Marcus
>
> 80%?  Whew, where did you get THOSE figures?  You've obviously led a
> very sheltered life.  Again, you'd better check your district.  In most
> of those in Texas, you'd have to kiss that cell phone goodbye  --  and
> if you brought it to school more than once, you'd be charged, sent to
> alternative school (where you can't even bring GUM into class), and your
> parents would probably be out several hundred dollars in court costs.
>
> Appleman

At my school in Toronto, many students carry cell phones/pagers during
class, but make use of the "discreet" profile, or silent altogether. I have
only had two occasion by anyone where the phone went off in class. One SMS
from my phone, and 1 call on a Clearnet of a friends.
    The school has a pagers/cell/walkman in locker policy, but not enforced
because the devices are not making a sizeable intrusion into the
environment.
    And, what are they going to do? Search us. At a private school, where
generally, the students don't take much crap, we will just walk away when
the request is unreasonable and a waste of time.

Austin



oNkYo <onkyo@home.com[removeallthisjunk]> wrote in message
news:r7LX3.64687$Rx2.767849@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...
> Does teachers and administrators have the right to confiscate them?
>
> My friend had hers taken away because it went off in the office after
> school.
> The principal said that she was making drug deals, and gave it to the
> constable liaison of the school.
> Isn't this bizarre?
> The real bizarre thing is that if your watch alarm goes off, they don't
> care. but if your pager does, they get really mad.
>
> I really don't think that they have the right to confiscate anything
because
> they are personal property.
> It's not like they're illegal like switch blades, fireworks... I could
> understand if they were taken away
> if it went off in class but out of class after school? I couldn't
understand
> why would they confiscate pagers
> and cell phones. Why do kids have them at school? It's totally none of
your
> business.
>
> What authority would they have?
> It's like have some guy on the streets coming up to you and say "hey dude,
> gimme that pager."
> It's totally wrong.
>
> Anyways, what can I write to the administrator to have the pager back?
>
> (remove everything after @home.com to reply)
>
>
>
>
>

Back in my days, they confiscated walkmans! Can't listen to music
during silent reading period. Duuhhh. Deal with it. 

Why would you want to bring your phone to school? I'm sure you still
have to take gym class and that's when people break into lockers. Bye
bye phone. Unless you like to play sports with your phone attached :)

mystic wrote:
>Every district has different rules

Yep, that was the general idea of my post, since I'm in Sweden, Scandinavia,
Europe.

>Wrong.

? How can I be wrong when we just agreed that there are differences?

>If I were
>you, I'd look closely at the disciplinary plan of your school.

And?

>Again, check your district.  In most Texas school districts, tobacco is
>an illegal substance that cannot evn be possessed by persons under the
>age of 18.  So teachers (in fact, anyone employed by the district) CAN
>confiscate your cigarettes, and you won't even be able to pick them up
>at the end of the day. Instead, you'll be charged with possession of
>tobacco and probably do three days in DMC, plus you might be charged in
>juvenile court and have to pay a fine.


Actaully, tobacco is an interesting example. Around here, recently they
changed the law to not allow minors to purchase tobacco products. However,
that doesn't mean�that it is illegal to smoke or possess them, and hence
schools can't confiscate them.

>>
>> BTW, if using a phone was equal to selling drugs, they would have serios
>> problems here since around 80% of 14-18-year-olds have phones. Problems
in


>80%?  Whew, where did you get THOSE figures?  You've obviously led a
>very sheltered life.

I have? Excuse me but there are places outside of Texas, where mobile phone
penetration is quite high.


> Again, you'd better check your district.  In most
>of those in Texas, you'd have to kiss that cell phone goodbye  --  and
>if you brought it to school more than once, you'd be charged, sent to
>alternative school (where you can't even bring GUM into class), and your
>parents would probably be out several hundred dollars in court costs.


This is the Land of the Free.......hmmm.

/Marcus

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Marcus AAkesson wrote:
|mystic wrote:

|>80%?  Whew, where did you get THOSE figures?  You've obviously led a
|>very sheltered life.

|I have? Excuse me but there are places outside of Texas, where mobile phone
|penetration is quite high.

   Last I heard, more than 90% of the 18-25 demographic in Finland had GSM
phones, so those numbers don't seem the least bit strange to me.


	Canadian PCS and Smartphone information available at:
		http://www.islandnet.com/~morag/pcs/

I don't take gym, and what bother with a wireless phone if you don't make
use of it wirelessly. That phone is my number. I don't tell people my house
number, because I am rarely home. I am at/commuting to/from school for close
to eight hours a day so otherwise i am unreachable, and makes it hard for me
to reach people.


Austin

Scuzzlebutt <x@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:g7523ss8uhbup0iegpjad221pq7mophlrk@4ax.com...
> Back in my days, they confiscated walkmans! Can't listen to music
> during silent reading period. Duuhhh. Deal with it.
>
> Why would you want to bring your phone to school? I'm sure you still
> have to take gym class and that's when people break into lockers. Bye
> bye phone. Unless you like to play sports with your phone attached :)

Austin Locke <alocke@mindless.com> wrote in message
news:5RnY3.9807$T4.2395469@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com...
> I don't take gym, and what bother with a wireless phone if you don't make
> use of it wirelessly. That phone is my number. I don't tell people my
house
> number, because I am rarely home. I am at/commuting to/from school for
close
> to eight hours a day so otherwise i am unreachable, and makes it hard for
me
> to reach people.

And if you're in my class, I'M THE ONE TRYING TO REACH YOU!  I don't care
what your girlfriend has to say.  I don't allow conversations to interrupt
the education of the rest of my students.  The fact that you are conversing
in my room with someone not in my room is irrelevant.

I have confiscated pagers.  I lock them in a drawer and return them when a
parent comes and asks.  I do the same with lasers, walkman's, calculators,
and Pokemon card collections if they are being used at a time and in a way
that interrupts the education I am paid to provide

Marc

I am a teacher in France and I have difficulties in believing what I read
about the drastic rules in Texas!!! In the school where I work, the pupils
who are from 16 to 21 and who are supposed to have social troubles in life
(but who hasn't?) are perfectly aware of the nuisance a cell phone can
cause. It is not a matter of  independence nor freedom, it is a simple
matter of civility and know-how-to-live-together. Rules shouldn't take the
path on basic respect of spoken communication and most particularly at
school. Thanks for the precious subjects of reflection you gave us here.
Isabelle
Austin Locke <alocke@mindless.com> a �crit dans le message :
ZK3Y3.9339$T4.2118416@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com...
> I believe Marcus is from Scandinavia where cell phone usage is just a tad
> more prevalent than in North America.
>
>
> --
> Austin
> alocke at mindless.com
> Fido Roaming Info http://members.home.net/austinlocke
>
> mystic <mystic@lcc.net> wrote in message news:3830E698.6089@lcc.net...
> > Marcus AAkesson wrote:
> > >
> > > oNkYo wrote:
> > >
> > > >Does teachers and administrators have the right to confiscate them?
> > >
> > > Probably depends on where You are!
> > >
> > > Here, the answer is No. They have no right to confiscate anything that
> is
> > > not illegal in a public place, like firearms and knifes.
> >
> > Every district has different rules.  If students bring banned articles
> > onto campus, the teachers have EVERY right to confiscate them during
> > classtime  --  students in our district can pick them up in the office
> > at the end of the school day.  If they continue to bring banned articles
> > to class, it is considered to be an infraction of school rules and, as
> > such, can be punished with a disciplinary slip, time in DMC (in-school
> > detention) or (with parental permission) corporal punishment.  Do
> > teachers have the right to KEEP the articles they confiscate?  No.
> >
> > >
> > > If school regulations prohibits phones within the building, they can
> tell
> > > You to stop using it, and if refused, contact the parents or
ultimately
> ban
> > > You from attending class. They have no parental rights at all.
> > >
> >
> > Wrong.  To refuse a reasonable teacher directive (in this case, to
> > follow  school rules) is a direct infraction of school rules.  If I were
> > you, I'd look closely at the disciplinary plan of your school.
> > As for whether teachers have any parental rights at all  --  what would
> > these be?  The power to take stuff away from you?  The power to keep you
> > safe?  There are many situations during school activities (such as
> > school trips) where, under most states' laws, teachers DO stand 'in loco
> > parentis', meaning that we are responsible for your safety.
> >
> >
> > > Another related question is smoking. While it is not allowed to smoke
in
> the
> > > buildings or on school property, they can't take away your cigarettes,
> not
> > > even if You brake the rules and smoke indoors. They can throw You out,
> but
> > > not take the cigs.
> >
> > Again, check your district.  In most Texas school districts, tobacco is
> > an illegal substance that cannot evn be possessed by persons under the
> > age of 18.  So teachers (in fact, anyone employed by the district) CAN
> > confiscate your cigarettes, and you won't even be able to pick them up
> > at the end of the day. Instead, you'll be charged with possession of
> > tobacco and probably do three days in DMC, plus you might be charged in
> > juvenile court and have to pay a fine.
> >
> > >
> > > BTW, if using a phone was equal to selling drugs, they would have
serios
> > > problems here since around 80% of 14-18-year-olds have phones.
Problems
> in
> > > class? Shure! Talking/ringing is of course not a major issue, but a
lot
> of
> > > people keep sending and receiving SMS while in class.
> > >
> > > /Marcus
> >
> > 80%?  Whew, where did you get THOSE figures?  You've obviously led a
> > very sheltered life.  Again, you'd better check your district.  In most
> > of those in Texas, you'd have to kiss that cell phone goodbye  --  and
> > if you brought it to school more than once, you'd be charged, sent to
> > alternative school (where you can't even bring GUM into class), and your
> > parents would probably be out several hundred dollars in court costs.
> >
> > Appleman
>
>

"Fr�d�ric LEVECQ" wrote:
> 
> I am a teacher in France and I have difficulties in believing what I read
> about the drastic rules in Texas!!! In the school where I work, the pupils
> who are from 16 to 21 and who are supposed to have social troubles in life
> (but who hasn't?) are perfectly aware of the nuisance a cell phone can
> cause. It is not a matter of  independence nor freedom, it is a simple
> matter of civility and know-how-to-live-together.

Well, in the US that's the problem: we have to have rules here because
the basic underlying rule is 'do what you want, to heck with everyone
else' and we _live_ to push the boundries. And unfortunately everyone
else on the planet encourages us!

Rainbow wrote:
> 
> How so does everyone encourage the states to "live to push the boundaries"?
> Just curious...
> 

They complain loudly while quietly buying into our 'ways.'

How so does everyone encourage the states to "live to push the boundaries"?
Just curious...

--

-Janel
____
I'm not dangerous, just misunderstood.
Rafael Block <rafaelb@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:38372BED.5E24AA88@earthlink.net...
>
>
> "Fr�d�ric LEVECQ" wrote:
> >
> > I am a teacher in France and I have difficulties in believing what I
read
> > about the drastic rules in Texas!!! In the school where I work, the
pupils
> > who are from 16 to 21 and who are supposed to have social troubles in
life
> > (but who hasn't?) are perfectly aware of the nuisance a cell phone can
> > cause. It is not a matter of  independence nor freedom, it is a simple
> > matter of civility and know-how-to-live-together.
>
> Well, in the US that's the problem: we have to have rules here because
> the basic underlying rule is 'do what you want, to heck with everyone
> else' and we _live_ to push the boundries. And unfortunately everyone
> else on the planet encourages us!
>

Are you sure we have the choice? When even the language we communicate
through is English and English only. By the way, do you speak French? I like
the name of your link, but does it mean to be all linked together or just
being linked to the States? I don't beleive there is YOU and US....What do
youthink? Isabelle Levecq
Rafael Block <rafaelb@earthlink.net> a �crit dans le message :
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>
>
> Rainbow wrote:
> >
> > How so does everyone encourage the states to "live to push the
boundaries"?
> > Just curious...
> >
>
> They complain loudly while quietly buying into our 'ways.'
>

Apparently no one takes the time to think about it...
Fr�d�ric LEVECQ <flevecq@fr.packardbell.org> a �crit dans le message :
81b5k4$6np$1@jaydee.iway.fr...
> Are you sure we have the choice? When even the language we communicate
> through is English and English only. By the way, do you speak French? I
like
> the name of your link, but does it mean to be all linked together or just
> being linked to the States? I don't beleive there is YOU and US....What do
> youthink? Isabelle Levecq
> Rafael Block <rafaelb@earthlink.net> a �crit dans le message :
> 38379418.2795F2A5@earthlink.net...
> >
> >
> > Rainbow wrote:
> > >
> > > How so does everyone encourage the states to "live to push the
> boundaries"?
> > > Just curious...
> > >
> >
> > They complain loudly while quietly buying into our 'ways.'
> >
>
>