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Rod Speed wrote in message ...
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>Thor <man@arms.com> wrote in message
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>>>> They only see, and understand what the native
>>>> application's file/open window shows them.
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>>> And thats all they need.
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>> Oh really?
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>Yes, really, as far as your claims about needing to 'know DOS' are
>concerned. It makes sense to teach them how to use the explorer
>and the other explorer like approaches to the management of files on
>their system. It makes absolutely no sense what so ever to be wasting
>heaps of time teaching them how to do that stuff at the dos prompt.
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>The world's moved on, they're using Win for a reason. Time you woke up.


I wish you would. As long as your going to repeat yourself, so will I.

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>> You are a fine example of "the dumbing down" of computer users.
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>You're a fine example of a dinosaur. There's always been some
>of those in any subset of computing. I've seen it time after time after
>time, with dinosaurs raving on about punched cards, line editors, holding
>their noses at menus in things like 124 and Multiplan, etc etc etc.

Has nothing to with the topic of discussion.

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>> You really should be using a Mac.
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>You really should be using punched cards.

Has nothing to with the topic of discussion.

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>> And I never said that general users should utilize DOS,
>> or DOS windows instead of using windows itself,
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>No one ever said you did.

Apparently that's what you imply by saying a drive label is not visible.

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>> only that if a prior knowledge of DOS exists, it helps
>> new windows users understand things much better, and
>> grasp concepts of the file system much more clearly.
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>And that is just plain wrong with DOS prompt ops for normal Win users.
>Complete waste of time teaching them that stuff. Much better to spend
>that time teaching them how to use Win to do what they want to do.

Then why is it taught with beginners Windows classes?

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>Its distinctly arguable if it makes any sense to be teaching them
>how to deal with a system that cant boot Win at all, even in safe
>mode. Makes a lot more sense to just have a clear description
>of how to handle that particular situation that they can use if
>they are ever in that particular situation instead.

That particular situation requires DOS knowledge.

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>> And if you think it is so rare for windows to be broken
>> to the point of not even operating in safe mode,
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>Its rare for a particular user and thats what matters as far
>as teaching them how to handle that situation is concerned.
>With the much more practical alternative of a clear description
>of what to do in that situation if they ever see it than teaching
>them all about DOS prompt ops. Which they will have forgotten
>by the time they need them anyway because they wont be using
>them between the time you teach them that and they need it.

If all you teach a new user is DIR, DEL, COPY, then maybe. Go into more
detail and it's very likely they would take notes.

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>> than you clearly don't have much experience in repairing modern PC's.
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>You have no idea at how many are laughing themselves sick at you now.

Wrong. You have no idea...

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>> In my business, I get one in the shop in that state probably twice a
week.
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>Says SFA about what makes sense with the training of a particular Win user.
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>> And, I wouldn't even consider hiring anyone who calls him/herself
>> a "technician" if they didn't have a good understanding of DOS.
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>Got SFA to do with how to train Win users.

What is SFA already?

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>> It is critical, crucial, and it is the foundation that windows is built
upon.
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>Completely and utterly irrelevant when what was being discussed
>was the use of a FAT32 Win9x system thats working fine and how
>much sense it makes to be furiously pounding away on the keyboard
>at the DOS prompt in that sort of system today.

He has moved on, and so should you!!!