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Re: help, windows will only start in safe mode

#148
From: Todd
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:00
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Rod Speed wrote in message ...
>
>Ken, Allison & Baby Andrew Williams <kbs@xmission.com>
>wrote in message news:37BE2F20.3C5EE09B@xmission.com...
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Todd <Post_to_group_only@nospam.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> Hardly anyone uses the DOS prompt anymore. Dinosaur stuff.
>
>>>>>> That's the only place your arguments had
>>>>>> any meaning! Geez, get with the program.
>
>>>>> Here's where I disagree with both of you...
>>>>> DOS is still relevant for me...
>
>>>> I agree completely.  I can do just about anything
>>>> in DOS 20 times faster than I can do it in Windows.
>
>>> Thats only because you havent setup the Win properly.
>
>> Okay, I'm up for suggestions.  Tell me how can I in
>> one step do the following command through Windows.
>
>Completely bogus requests. What matters is whether it makes any sense
>to be doing this sort of stuff at all, not whether it can be done in 'one
step'

Nice cop-out. What's the matter, you need an exact reason to answer.

>
>> COPY *A*.* C:\TEMP
>
>> That is, copy all files with the letter A anywhere in the file
>> name from the current directory to the temp directory?
>
>What's the point in doing that at all ?

See above.

>
>What you might well want to do in some situations is copy a
>few of the files off a floppy to somewhere on the hard drive.
>You certainly cant do that in a single step at the DOS prompt
>if you cant remember exactly what the files are called or they
>dont have a convenient wildcard.

He never said anything about floppies! You can't even decipher a simple
dinosaur command. Ok you want a reason for the command I'll give you one.
My ISP requires me to upload all related web files in a single zipfile. I
have a graphics directory that contains 2000 files. I need all the graphics
that have an "A" in their name with any extension copied to a temp folder so
I can zip all the files at once. That my reason, now answer the fucking
question asshole.

>
>>>> Not to mention the fact that if you can't get into Windows,
>>>> you need to know DOS to get Windows working again.
>
>>> Complete crap.
>
>> Bullshit!
>
>Nope.

Yep!

>
>> If Windows will not start, how do you get Windows running again?
>
>Oh, just a few options like safe mode or step by step.
>Your claim that you need to know DOS is complete crap.

Wrong. Here another senerio for you to answer. I install an app that
replaces a critical dll that even safemode needs to run. The filename is
given in the error message. All you have to do is replace the corrupt dll
with the original OS one to get windows going again. How do get the file
from the setup cabs without reinstalling windows again? It's a valid
question (happend to me) so answer it.

>
>> Perhaps a reinstall from the boot disk, and if that fails also?
>
>You dont 'need to know DOS' to follow simple description
>of how to format the drive you will then install Win9x onto.

I do. Explain it for me.

>
>> If Windows is really screwed up, you're going to
>> have to use DOS to either FDISK &/or FORMAT,
>
>And you dont 'need to know DOS' to do that, you can
>just follow a simple description of how to install Win9x
>in that particular situation which includes that format.

Where do get this simple description? In setup.txt perhaps. So how do read
this file without knowing DOS commands.

>
>> or you're going to have to use DELTREE to delete
>> the Windows directory, or some other *DOS* option.
>
>Got SFA to do with 'need to know DOS', all you need to be able to
>do is read a simple description of what to do in that particular situation.

See above.

>
>> These are *ALL* DOS commands and there is
>> no fucking way of doing them through Windows.
>
>And a microscopic percentage of the time that is the situation. Makes
>a hell of a lot more sense to have a simple description of what to do in
>that particular situation than to teach everyone all about DOS prompt ops.

I thought you said... "It makes absolutely no sense what so ever to be
wasting
heaps of time teaching them how to do that stuff at the dos prompt." which
includes this too.

>
>And what was being discussed was how to partition a FAT32
>Win9x system, not whether DOS commands are ever used.

The subject has moved on.

>
>> When you buy a new hard drive, how do you
>> partition, through the fucking DOS prompt.
>
>Taint the only way. And there is no 'need to know DOS', all thats
>needed is a simple description of what to do in that particular situation.

See above.

>
>> You must know DOS in order to truly be able to fix all Windows problems!
>
>Crap.
>
>And that has SFA to do with whether it makes the slightest sense to
>be furiously doing things at a DOS prompt with a normal system anyway.

That's your opinion no matter how closed minded you are.

>
>>>> DOS maybe old, but it's still an extremely important thing to know.
>
>>> Wrong, because that hardly ever happens, that you 'cant get into
Windows'
>
>> It may hardly ever happen on a personal basis,
>> but it happens all of the time in the real world.
>
>Its the personal basis that matters when proclaiming that everyone has
>a 'need to know DOS' so they know what to do in that particular situation.

As is the use of FAT32.

>
>Of course they dont, the other obvious alternative is to
>have a simple description of what to do DOS command
>wise if safe mode and a reinstall etc wont work.

When are they going to get this simple discription? After a crash?

>
>> This is part of the reason that Windows is such a large piece of shit.
>
>Nope.
>
>> Also, you still need to know DOS to partition a drive, correct.
>
>Wrong.

Oh, bios will do it alone?

>
>>>> I had someone that wanted to come work for me,
>>>> the first thing I did was give him a book on DOS.
>
>>> Your problem.
>
>> No, it's not a problem at all, it's an extremely good way to go.
>
>Nope, complete waste of time.

Moron alert.

>
>Your pathetic attempt at oneupmanship flushed where it belongs.

No, your posts are what needs flushed.

>
>
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From: "Todd" <Post_to_group_only@nospam.com>
Subject: Re: help, windows will only start in safe mode
Date: 1999/08/21
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