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Re: IT Labor Shortage:...NOT

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From: Tim Holt
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:33
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Amen!  You make some excellent points and comments in your post.

The Indian H1-B's hate working for women, African Americans, and other
ethnic groups (come to think of it, they're not that thrilled working for
white American males either).

I had an Indian H1-B working for me that was particularly surely and
uncooperative.  Another (turncoat) H1-B told me that this guy in India, was
some sort of student radical leader of a group that hated America.  God help
me!

As for trying to fire some of them for: poor work, lateness, absenteeism,
surfing the web, day trading, insubordination, excessive telephone
conversations, not following/taking directions, misrepresentation, job
abandonment, etc. the HR department wont let you do it. So they sit there
collecting a $75,000+ Bonus pay check while having a grand old time.

Their effect on the older IT consultant like myself is devastating.  I've
been out of work for months with nothing in site, when just a few short
years ago, even before the so called "IT boom" I could easily get a well
paying long term consulting assignment in just days.

Many of our young and bright IT "newbies" coming out of college are having a
tough time finding programming positions.  There are stories all over the
web from kids sending out dozens and dozens of resumes with little or no
response from employers.  I've noticed that many of these kids are forced to
take, QA, customer service, helpdesk, business case, etc. jobs while the
Indian H1-B gets the higher paying and more desirable skilled development
positions.

Thanks again for your post it was very good!


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> The IT Labor Shortage LIE was mostly created by HR departments of large
corporations and IT body shops. H-1Bs (and the other categories of alien job
robbers) are cheaper and easier to recruit and keep. I have been told this
by several HR staff members.
>
> A true example: When I tried to remove an H-1B programmer from one of my
teams, I was told he was too profitable, due to the high markup and low
recruiting costs. Also, I was told they were guaranteed he could not leave
the company for 4 more years. Yes, I looked for the chains around his
ankles, but did not see them. It did not matter that he was slower, lied,
always missed his deadlines, and had the highest error ratio of the team. I
was not the first Project Manager to complain about him. He was just a
profitable slave. The other team members resented covering for him. I was
informed that it cost the company around $5K (including legal fees) to
recruit and hire an H-1B, but to recruit and hire a US citizen was around
$20K. Also, he was not the lowest paid team member. The big difference was
not in the salary, but in the overhead costs.
>
> Also, many H-1Bs consider it an insult to work for a woman or a person
with darker skin. In the past, I have worked with some talented H-1Bs, but
they were the cream of the crop, not the bottom of the barrel.
>
> Several professional recruiters have told me that they avoid H-1Bs because
of customer complaints. The IT body shops love H-1Bs, because they can hide
their cash cows in teams.
>
> The over importation of H-1Bs has not only deprived older US IT
professionals of continuing their careers, but has prevented many young IT
newbies from having an opportunity to start or fully develop their careers.
>
> Female IT Project Manager
>
>
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