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I smell some racist overtones there too.

I do know that SOME Indians do tend to hire other Indians.  Seen it 
myself when a new manager comes around.  And I have actually walked out 
of interviews because it was so awfully obvious I was wasting my time. 
Knowing what I know of my previous Indian co-workers, they were 
interested in getting their friends a job.

I don't think it is racism as much as it is "a friend of a friend of a 
friend" can get you a job.  Hey - they have 3,000 people showing up at a 
wedding, you know they are socially networked.  Abu can get a lot of 
favor "capital" from his social network by getting Ajib a job.  And when 
Abu needs a job, Ajib and his friends are looking for him too.

I am white, and I have been hired by an Indian (Sri Lank'an actually.) 
So one cannot say that they all are racist.

So I have life experience on both sides of the story.

Jobs these days are a matter of who-you-know (and the ability to work 
low wage.)

news2020 wrote:

> This is turning into cooked up hate messaging.
> I do not think any company would fire US workers unless something was
> badly wrong. Such as, all that is happening around these days -
> sabotage, destroying things, viruses, etc. Subtle ways of bringing
> down a company. If something like this happens even once,
> the result is obvious. Money is not a real issue in such matters.
> They will pay for good work any day. After all it is your own
> mom and pop who are making the decisions about your jobs
> because they are running the companies. And they know full well
> what the people are doing.
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>>>You must note that there is not a peep about all the
>>>people being shuttled now as well as for years and years
>>>by so many many other European and other countries
>>>on all kinds of jobs and visas, etc. It is only recently
>>>that India even got involved in any offshoring activites.
>>>Others have been doing it for years and years. Yet,
>>>not a complaint about all these Europeans !
>>>
>>>This is political  baiting of India and India-ns, especially
>>>made for the election year in the US. The climate of
>>>anti-India and anti-Indian hatred has been building
>>>with active participation by hateful journalists for a
>>>long long period of time. Ever since they saw a lot
>>>of India-ns involved in high technology at the same
>>>time as American workers were losing jobs due to
>>>layoffs and the vicious climate of high technology.
>>>
>>>High technology cannot be restricted to one category
>>>of people or another. Therefore, these prejudiced
>>>journalists and any rabble-rousing demagogue leaders
>>>(labor leaders, etc.) will eventually end up driving
>>>away all high technology. A  return to
>>>pre-World:War I USA (like third world)
>>>is quite a possibility if this trend continues. That
>>>is precisely why the confusion of war prevails now.
>>>It helps to mask the underlying turmoil.
>>>
>>>Your Friend wrote:
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>>>>http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/feb/05us1.htm
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>>>>L1 visa: Infosys, Wipro deny US charge
>>>>
>>>>February 05, 2004 20:40 IST
>>>>
>>>>Infosys and Wipro, the country's two leading software companies, on
>>>>Thursday denied the allegation that they have been abusing the United
>>>>States' L-1 visa regulations.
>>>>
>>>>"Infosys fully complies with visa statutes and regulations in letter
>>>>and in spirit. Infosys adheres to this regulation and does not
>>>>differentiate between H1-B and L-1 pay scales, although not legally
>>>>mandated," Infosys CEO and managing director Nandan M Nilekani said in
>>>>a statement.
>>>>
>>>>A Wipro spokeswoman said the question of abusing any type of visa
>>>>regulation did not arise and the company complied with the
>>>>requirements of the visa laws.
>>>>
>>>>"We believe that we are in total compliance with the requirements of
>>>>visa laws. The question of their abuse does not arise," he told PTI.
>>>>
>>>>The two companies were responding to the US labour organisations'
>>>>allegation that Indian firms, namely Infosys, Wipro, TCS, had been
>>>>acting as "bodyshops", sending Indian workers to the US through the
>>>>L-1 system and then subcontracting them out to other businesses.
>>>>
>>>>Infosys said L-1 visa regulations stipulated that only employees with
>>>>specialised knowledge or holding managerial or executive positions
>>>>could file an application.
>>>>
>>>>"Most of our employees stay in the US for the duration of the project,
>>>>which is typically one to two years, and return to the home country,"
>>>>Nilekani said.
>>>>
>>>>Infosys continues to work with governments and consulates of the
>>>>countries in which it operates in order to ensure that it fully
>>>>understands and correctly interprets the immigration regulations, the
>>>>statement said.
>>>>
>>>>Michael W Gildea, executive director of the Department of Professional
>>>>Employees, AFL-CIO, US's largest labour federation, addressing the
>>>>House International Relations
>>>>
>>>>Committee on Wednesday, accused Indian IT firms such as TCS, Infosys
>>>>and Wipro of "abusing" the L-1 visa programme to bring in cheap
>>>>manpower to take over American jobs.
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>> See a bigger picture. One of friends works as an editor in a major
>>paper. He told me that almost all their computer people are Indians.
>>When I asked him what happened to make it so. He told me when they
>>replaced a MIS manager with an Indian. Within two years the Indian found
>>excuses for removing the American computer people with others from
>>India. He made a big fuss about the lack of education and qualifications
>>the american programming staff had and how he could only rescue IT
>>operations with new replacements. Where from? India. And now nothing
>>works as well. He told me that the Indians are even rude when you tell
>>them they didn't fix the computer problems. They have the bad habit of
>>talking down to non-techies and act like the technical problems are on
>>par to finding the Unified Field Theory. He told me there isn't a day
>>when something doesn't go wrong with computer operations. And there
>>hasn't been a day when the new staff of techies were able to fix a
>>problem in less than 4 hours. When I asked him why they don't fire the
>>new MIS manager and his jerky staff, he said like this, "can't the big
>>boss is Jewish. Guess who brought him in? They eat lunch together and
>>discuss the Muslim problem all the time. Did you think the Indians were
>>let in this country so quickly by their own resources? Don't be so
>>naive."
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