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Re: L1 visa: Infosys, Wipro deny US charge

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From: Jeff Davis
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:38
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"Scott Auge" <scott_auge@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4026E54C.3020900@yahoo.com...
> I smell some racist overtones there too.
>
> I do know that SOME Indians do tend to hire other Indians.  Seen it
> myself when a new manager comes around.  And I have actually walked out
> of interviews because it was so awfully obvious I was wasting my time.
> Knowing what I know of my previous Indian co-workers, they were
> interested in getting their friends a job.
>
> I don't think it is racism as much as it is "a friend of a friend of a
> friend" can get you a job.  Hey - they have 3,000 people showing up at a

The Indians are racists.  I've seen them purchase a frachise one week and
fire the current employees, and then next week bring in all Indians.
I've seen many franchises staffed with all Indians. This is not a
coincidence.
This is discrimination.
They are not unlike the KKK.




> wedding, you know they are socially networked.  Abu can get a lot of
> favor "capital" from his social network by getting Ajib a job.  And when
> Abu needs a job, Ajib and his friends are looking for him too.
>
> I am white, and I have been hired by an Indian (Sri Lank'an actually.)
> So one cannot say that they all are racist.
>
> So I have life experience on both sides of the story.
>
> Jobs these days are a matter of who-you-know (and the ability to work
> low wage.)
>
> news2020 wrote:
>
> > This is turning into cooked up hate messaging.
> > I do not think any company would fire US workers unless something was
> > badly wrong. Such as, all that is happening around these days -
> > sabotage, destroying things, viruses, etc. Subtle ways of bringing
> > down a company. If something like this happens even once,
> > the result is obvious. Money is not a real issue in such matters.
> > They will pay for good work any day. After all it is your own
> > mom and pop who are making the decisions about your jobs
> > because they are running the companies. And they know full well
> > what the people are doing.
> >
> >
> > billgbl wrote:
> >
> >
> >>supreme4007 wrote:
> >>
> >>>You must note that there is not a peep about all the
> >>>people being shuttled now as well as for years and years
> >>>by so many many other European and other countries
> >>>on all kinds of jobs and visas, etc. It is only recently
> >>>that India even got involved in any offshoring activites.
> >>>Others have been doing it for years and years. Yet,
> >>>not a complaint about all these Europeans !
> >>>
> >>>This is political  baiting of India and India-ns, especially
> >>>made for the election year in the US. The climate of
> >>>anti-India and anti-Indian hatred has been building


Americans hate racists.



> >>>with active participation by hateful journalists for a
> >>>long long period of time. Ever since they saw a lot
> >>>of India-ns involved in high technology at the same
> >>>time as American workers were losing jobs due to
> >>>layoffs and the vicious climate of high technology.
> >>>
> >>>High technology cannot be restricted to one category
> >>>of people or another. Therefore, these prejudiced
> >>>journalists and any rabble-rousing demagogue leaders
> >>>(labor leaders, etc.) will eventually end up driving
> >>>away all high technology. A  return to
> >>>pre-World:War I USA (like third world)
> >>>is quite a possibility if this trend continues. That
> >>>is precisely why the confusion of war prevails now.
> >>>It helps to mask the underlying turmoil.
> >>>
> >>>Your Friend wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/feb/05us1.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>L1 visa: Infosys, Wipro deny US charge
> >>>>
> >>>>February 05, 2004 20:40 IST
> >>>>
> >>>>Infosys and Wipro, the country's two leading software companies, on
> >>>>Thursday denied the allegation that they have been abusing the United
> >>>>States' L-1 visa regulations.
> >>>>
> >>>>"Infosys fully complies with visa statutes and regulations in letter
> >>>>and in spirit. Infosys adheres to this regulation and does not
> >>>>differentiate between H1-B and L-1 pay scales, although not legally
> >>>>mandated," Infosys CEO and managing director Nandan M Nilekani said in
> >>>>a statement.
> >>>>
> >>>>A Wipro spokeswoman said the question of abusing any type of visa
> >>>>regulation did not arise and the company complied with the
> >>>>requirements of the visa laws.
> >>>>
> >>>>"We believe that we are in total compliance with the requirements of
> >>>>visa laws. The question of their abuse does not arise," he told PTI.
> >>>>
> >>>>The two companies were responding to the US labour organisations'
> >>>>allegation that Indian firms, namely Infosys, Wipro, TCS, had been
> >>>>acting as "bodyshops", sending Indian workers to the US through the
> >>>>L-1 system and then subcontracting them out to other businesses.
> >>>>
> >>>>Infosys said L-1 visa regulations stipulated that only employees with
> >>>>specialised knowledge or holding managerial or executive positions
> >>>>could file an application.
> >>>>
> >>>>"Most of our employees stay in the US for the duration of the project,
> >>>>which is typically one to two years, and return to the home country,"
> >>>>Nilekani said.
> >>>>
> >>>>Infosys continues to work with governments and consulates of the
> >>>>countries in which it operates in order to ensure that it fully
> >>>>understands and correctly interprets the immigration regulations, the
> >>>>statement said.
> >>>>
> >>>>Michael W Gildea, executive director of the Department of Professional
> >>>>Employees, AFL-CIO, US's largest labour federation, addressing the
> >>>>House International Relations
> >>>>
> >>>>Committee on Wednesday, accused Indian IT firms such as TCS, Infosys
> >>>>and Wipro of "abusing" the L-1 visa programme to bring in cheap
> >>>>manpower to take over American jobs.
> >>
> >> See a bigger picture. One of friends works as an editor in a major
> >>paper. He told me that almost all their computer people are Indians.
> >>When I asked him what happened to make it so. He told me when they
> >>replaced a MIS manager with an Indian. Within two years the Indian found
> >>excuses for removing the American computer people with others from
> >>India. He made a big fuss about the lack of education and qualifications
> >>the american programming staff had and how he could only rescue IT
> >>operations with new replacements. Where from? India. And now nothing
> >>works as well. He told me that the Indians are even rude when you tell
> >>them they didn't fix the computer problems. They have the bad habit of
> >>talking down to non-techies and act like the technical problems are on
> >>par to finding the Unified Field Theory. He told me there isn't a day
> >>when something doesn't go wrong with computer operations. And there
> >>hasn't been a day when the new staff of techies were able to fix a
> >>problem in less than 4 hours. When I asked him why they don't fire the
> >>new MIS manager and his jerky staff, he said like this, "can't the big
> >>boss is Jewish. Guess who brought him in? They eat lunch together and
> >>discuss the Muslim problem all the time. Did you think the Indians were
> >>let in this country so quickly by their own resources? Don't be so
> >>naive."
> >
> >
> >
> >
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