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Article #981Re: L1 visa: Infosys, Wipro deny US charge
From: Jeff Davis
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:38
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:38
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"Scott Auge" <scott_auge@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4026E54C.3020900@yahoo.com... > I smell some racist overtones there too. > > I do know that SOME Indians do tend to hire other Indians. Seen it > myself when a new manager comes around. And I have actually walked out > of interviews because it was so awfully obvious I was wasting my time. > Knowing what I know of my previous Indian co-workers, they were > interested in getting their friends a job. > > I don't think it is racism as much as it is "a friend of a friend of a > friend" can get you a job. Hey - they have 3,000 people showing up at a The Indians are racists. I've seen them purchase a frachise one week and fire the current employees, and then next week bring in all Indians. I've seen many franchises staffed with all Indians. This is not a coincidence. This is discrimination. They are not unlike the KKK. > wedding, you know they are socially networked. Abu can get a lot of > favor "capital" from his social network by getting Ajib a job. And when > Abu needs a job, Ajib and his friends are looking for him too. > > I am white, and I have been hired by an Indian (Sri Lank'an actually.) > So one cannot say that they all are racist. > > So I have life experience on both sides of the story. > > Jobs these days are a matter of who-you-know (and the ability to work > low wage.) > > news2020 wrote: > > > This is turning into cooked up hate messaging. > > I do not think any company would fire US workers unless something was > > badly wrong. Such as, all that is happening around these days - > > sabotage, destroying things, viruses, etc. Subtle ways of bringing > > down a company. If something like this happens even once, > > the result is obvious. Money is not a real issue in such matters. > > They will pay for good work any day. After all it is your own > > mom and pop who are making the decisions about your jobs > > because they are running the companies. And they know full well > > what the people are doing. > > > > > > billgbl wrote: > > > > > >>supreme4007 wrote: > >> > >>>You must note that there is not a peep about all the > >>>people being shuttled now as well as for years and years > >>>by so many many other European and other countries > >>>on all kinds of jobs and visas, etc. It is only recently > >>>that India even got involved in any offshoring activites. > >>>Others have been doing it for years and years. Yet, > >>>not a complaint about all these Europeans ! > >>> > >>>This is political baiting of India and India-ns, especially > >>>made for the election year in the US. The climate of > >>>anti-India and anti-Indian hatred has been building Americans hate racists. > >>>with active participation by hateful journalists for a > >>>long long period of time. Ever since they saw a lot > >>>of India-ns involved in high technology at the same > >>>time as American workers were losing jobs due to > >>>layoffs and the vicious climate of high technology. > >>> > >>>High technology cannot be restricted to one category > >>>of people or another. Therefore, these prejudiced > >>>journalists and any rabble-rousing demagogue leaders > >>>(labor leaders, etc.) will eventually end up driving > >>>away all high technology. A return to > >>>pre-World:War I USA (like third world) > >>>is quite a possibility if this trend continues. That > >>>is precisely why the confusion of war prevails now. > >>>It helps to mask the underlying turmoil. > >>> > >>>Your Friend wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/feb/05us1.htm > >>>> > >>>>L1 visa: Infosys, Wipro deny US charge > >>>> > >>>>February 05, 2004 20:40 IST > >>>> > >>>>Infosys and Wipro, the country's two leading software companies, on > >>>>Thursday denied the allegation that they have been abusing the United > >>>>States' L-1 visa regulations. > >>>> > >>>>"Infosys fully complies with visa statutes and regulations in letter > >>>>and in spirit. Infosys adheres to this regulation and does not > >>>>differentiate between H1-B and L-1 pay scales, although not legally > >>>>mandated," Infosys CEO and managing director Nandan M Nilekani said in > >>>>a statement. > >>>> > >>>>A Wipro spokeswoman said the question of abusing any type of visa > >>>>regulation did not arise and the company complied with the > >>>>requirements of the visa laws. > >>>> > >>>>"We believe that we are in total compliance with the requirements of > >>>>visa laws. The question of their abuse does not arise," he told PTI. > >>>> > >>>>The two companies were responding to the US labour organisations' > >>>>allegation that Indian firms, namely Infosys, Wipro, TCS, had been > >>>>acting as "bodyshops", sending Indian workers to the US through the > >>>>L-1 system and then subcontracting them out to other businesses. > >>>> > >>>>Infosys said L-1 visa regulations stipulated that only employees with > >>>>specialised knowledge or holding managerial or executive positions > >>>>could file an application. > >>>> > >>>>"Most of our employees stay in the US for the duration of the project, > >>>>which is typically one to two years, and return to the home country," > >>>>Nilekani said. > >>>> > >>>>Infosys continues to work with governments and consulates of the > >>>>countries in which it operates in order to ensure that it fully > >>>>understands and correctly interprets the immigration regulations, the > >>>>statement said. > >>>> > >>>>Michael W Gildea, executive director of the Department of Professional > >>>>Employees, AFL-CIO, US's largest labour federation, addressing the > >>>>House International Relations > >>>> > >>>>Committee on Wednesday, accused Indian IT firms such as TCS, Infosys > >>>>and Wipro of "abusing" the L-1 visa programme to bring in cheap > >>>>manpower to take over American jobs. > >> > >> See a bigger picture. One of friends works as an editor in a major > >>paper. He told me that almost all their computer people are Indians. > >>When I asked him what happened to make it so. He told me when they > >>replaced a MIS manager with an Indian. Within two years the Indian found > >>excuses for removing the American computer people with others from > >>India. He made a big fuss about the lack of education and qualifications > >>the american programming staff had and how he could only rescue IT > >>operations with new replacements. Where from? India. And now nothing > >>works as well. He told me that the Indians are even rude when you tell > >>them they didn't fix the computer problems. They have the bad habit of > >>talking down to non-techies and act like the technical problems are on > >>par to finding the Unified Field Theory. He told me there isn't a day > >>when something doesn't go wrong with computer operations. And there > >>hasn't been a day when the new staff of techies were able to fix a > >>problem in less than 4 hours. When I asked him why they don't fire the > >>new MIS manager and his jerky staff, he said like this, "can't the big > >>boss is Jewish. Guess who brought him in? They eat lunch together and > >>discuss the Muslim problem all the time. Did you think the Indians were > >>let in this country so quickly by their own resources? Don't be so > >>naive." > > > > > > > >
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