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Article #347Re: Electric Energy Economizer !!
From: Peter
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:09
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:09
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:32:59 GMT, Isaac <isaac@latveria.castledoom.org> wrote: >On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:15:09 -0500, Keith R Williams <krw@attglobal.net> wrote: >> >> They eat the cost of generating VAH but charge (residential) customers >> for WH. Where is the difference going? > >This statement is complete nonsense. Power companies eat the cost of >generating watt-hours. But some of those watt-hours are dissipated >during transmission while others are consumed on the load side of >consumer power meters and are thus metered. > >The energy consumed by the utility company is NOT proportional >to the VAH generated so saying that the utility company is paying for >VAH is just false. You could see that yourself by doing a some sample >calculations. > It depends on what usual residential power factor is. I am used to 230/400 volt systems serving tens of houses per transformer with very little air conditioning load. Power factor was unity at peak loads and we designed the distribution network on that basis. There was one city with no gas and open fires discouraged which was awash in surplus MVAr's because of almost unity residential power factor and the capacitance of its extensive 66kV and 11kV cable networks.
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