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Article #348Re: Electric Energy Economizer !!
From: daestrom
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:09
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:09
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"Isaac" <isaac@latveria.castledoom.org> wrote in message news:slrnc09e3b.7m.isaac@latveria.castledoom.org... > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:15:09 -0500, Keith R Williams <krw@attglobal.net> wrote: > > > > They eat the cost of generating VAH but charge (residential) customers > > for WH. Where is the difference going? > > This statement is complete nonsense. Power companies eat the cost of > generating watt-hours. But some of those watt-hours are dissipated > during transmission while others are consumed on the load side of > consumer power meters and are thus metered. > What you say is true as far as you go. But another aspect of it is the utility must buy equipment rated for the MVA while only the MW portion of the apparent power generates revenue (in most cases). So they also have a larger capital outlay for this 'oversized' equipment that has to be funded. They wouldn't need larger equipment if they were able to have only unity loads. This goes into the considerations for pf correction at load-centers/substations instead of supplying the MVAR's from generating stations. (pf correct at load-end, or upsize transmission *to* the load-end by 20-40%). daestrom
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