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From: Peter Dettmann
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:23

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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:32:59 GMT, Isaac
<isaac@latveria.castledoom.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:15:09 -0500, Keith R Williams <krw@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> They eat the cost of generating VAH but charge (residential) customers 
>> for WH.  Where is the difference going?
>
>This statement is complete nonsense.  Power companies eat the cost of
>generating watt-hours.  But some of those watt-hours are dissipated
>during transmission while others are consumed on the load side of
>consumer power meters and are thus metered.
>
>The energy consumed by the utility company is NOT proportional
>to the VAH generated so saying that the utility company is paying for
>VAH is just false.  You could see that yourself by doing a some sample
>calculations.
>
>Isaac

Isaac you first need to do your own calculations.  The utility has to
generate and supply, and have amp capacity in excess of what they need
to just supply the amps necessary to produce the real power.  Not
forgetting that it is the real power that is being paid for by the
customer.  There is of course an actual increase in the losses in
power lines and transformers which waste more heat than otherwise
needed due to the higher line current due to the vars presence.
OK now who pays for this unnecessy enery loss?  Basically it must be
the customer loaded with higher cost per watt-Hour whether he was the
cause of increase or not.  In some cases metering is done to assess
vars to a individual consumers and they pay accordingly.  

Peter Dettmann

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