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Re: Acceptable risks [was Re: Disposal of Radioactive Waste]

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From: Donald Borowski
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:00
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"D.A.Kopf" wrote:

> Murray Love wrote:
> >
> > "D.A.Kopf" <dak@dakx.com> wrote in message
> > news:393D6C16.AB65AC41@dakx.com...
> > > Donald Borowski wrote:
> > > >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > However, it seems reasonable to me that individual risk-taking
> > > should not imperil the lives of others. Criminal law seems to
> > > agree, by allowing punishment for involuntary manslaughter.
> > > If I fell off a roof onto someone, well, I'm bound to say I'd
> > > feel responsible for their injury. If a nuke that I designed had
> > > an accident that caused injuries, I'd feel uncomfortable arguing
> > > that I'm not reponsible becaused I used accepted engineering standards.
> >
> > This is a quandary of any industrialized society.  Substitute "chemical
> > plant", "gas flares", "car", "toaster", or "space shuttle" for "nuke", and
> > you'll see what I mean.  Pretty much all engineered items carry a risk, and
> > that's OK if society decides they're worth it.
>
> Although individuals can decide whether to use cars, toasters, or (here in
> North Carolina) collapsing walkways, while these other risks are forced upon
> them. It thus seems to me their acceptance is properly a political, not an
> engineering, decision.

There may be some merit in the distinction, but there are very few who decide to
use no electricity. Only in this case is there an "imposed" risk and no benefit.

The real case we are discussing then is a risk that I take on directly (e.g.,
installing and maintaining PV panels) or one that I take on indirectly (the nuke
plant that I get power from). From either I get the benefit of electricity. If
either one kills me, I am just as dead.  But the risks of the nuke plant are
lower.

And then there is the next case of a coal plant vs. a nuke plant. Once again, the
risks of the nuke plant are lower.

Some have made the counter argument that a nuke accident would make a large swath
of land inhabitable for generations. I still am not convinced that even over
generations the damage caused by the anticipated number of nuke accidents is
greater than the damage caused by the normal operation of the coal plants that
would be necessary to produce the same amount of energy.

--
Donald Borowski
Agilent Technologies, Spokane PGU
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From: Donald Borowski <borowski@spk.agilent.com>
Subject: Re: Acceptable risks [was Re: Disposal of Radioactive Waste]
Date: 2000/06/07
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