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Intrepid wrote:
> 
>         This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
> some action.I consider it a stupid prank. Whats it got to do with rec.aviation. Let'em have their 
damn group. We don't listen to their music.
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In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca>, "Intrepid"
<chrisb@connect.ab.ca> wrote:

> >>>>EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HAS ONE VOTE when it comes to creating a new
> >>>>Usenet group.  I hope you will vote NO and thereby tell these NAZIS we
> >>>>don't want their stuff on the net.


I see no reason to vote NO as long as they don't crosspost unrelated stuff
to my favourite newsgroups, just like YOU do.

Whatever happened to freedom of speech? You can't bar people from having
(even lame) opinions. Your mission, should you accept it, is to convince
them that they're wrong : ). Well good luck, in my case I'd rather ignore
them.

X

"merere caelum atque in tartaro evenire" --xelph

In article <plucky-2911961341170001@user-168-121-115-224.dialup.mindspring.com>,
Chris Adamson <plucky@mindspring.com> wrote:
:In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca>, "Intrepid"
:<chrisb@connect.ab.ca> wrote:
:
:>         This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
:> some action.
:
:   This sounds suspiciously like the "if this e-mail were AIDS you'd now
:be infected" chain-letter or the "Good Times!" virus alert, a long-since
:irrelvant e-mail chain that just will not die.  I thought the
:sturm-und-drang about the nazi music newsgroup came and went months ago.
:
:   A check of news.groups shows no action on a "rec.music.white-power"
:listed in "Current Status of Usenet Newsgroup Proposals" by David C
:Lawrence <newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net> as of Tuesday, Nov 26 1996.
:
:   Furthermore, in a thread called REC.MUSIC.WHITE-POWER on news.groups, I
:did find the following.
:
:>  ["Gary Romalis" chain letter deleted]
:> 
:> That chain letter has been circulating since March 15th. The issue has
:> been moot since March 18th, 1996. Please tell the person who sent you this
:> message (only; please don't start ANOTHER chain letter to address the last
:> one) how wrong it is. This "Stopping a Tidal Wave" message may provide a
:> model. 

Yup - there was a Call For Votes to create rec.music.white-power last March,
and when the voting period ended the proposal was defeated (by a very large
margin, IIRC).  The group was not created.  Nobody is currently attempting
to create this newsgroup, so voting against it is pointless.

There's been at least one other iteration of this e-mail chain - I got 
several messages urging me to vote against the creation of the newsgroup
last July and August (again, well after the proposal was defeated in March.)

It looks like this may be joining "Good Times", Craig Shergold, and the
FCC's modem tax as perennial e-mail pests.

ljd

Jim Lewis wrote:
> 
> Intrepid wrote:
> >
> > This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
> > some action.
> I consider it a stupid prank. 
> Whats it got to do with rec.aviation. Let'em have their
> damn group. We don't listen to their music.
> --

Here, here.
Stick it to 'em.

Ciao.

Jeff Power

power@nf.sympatico.ca
also:
lunatic@mad.scientist.com

In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca>, "Intrepid"
<chrisb@connect.ab.ca> wrote:

>         This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
> some action.
> 

   This sounds suspiciously like the "if this e-mail were AIDS you'd now
be infected" chain-letter or the "Good Times!" virus alert, a long-since
irrelvant e-mail chain that just will not die.  I thought the
sturm-und-drang about the nazi music newsgroup came and went months ago.

   A check of news.groups shows no action on a "rec.music.white-power"
listed in "Current Status of Usenet Newsgroup Proposals" by David C
Lawrence <newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net> as of Tuesday, Nov 26 1996.

   Furthermore, in a thread called REC.MUSIC.WHITE-POWER on news.groups, I
did find the following.

>  ["Gary Romalis" chain letter deleted]
> 
> That chain letter has been circulating since March 15th. The issue has
> been moot since March 18th, 1996. Please tell the person who sent you this
> message (only; please don't start ANOTHER chain letter to address the last
> one) how wrong it is. This "Stopping a Tidal Wave" message may provide a
> model. 


   I suggest we drop this thread *NOW*, and remind ourselves to be
suspicious of anything with four or more levels of ">" quoting in the
future.

   (apologies for massive cross-post, but it seems appropriate in an
effort to squelch this cross-posted, chain-mailed monster)

--Chris

--------- Chris Adamson ------ plucky@mindspring.com -------
======= http://www.mindspring.com/~plucky/homer.html =======
               Forget computers in schools;
  they should be installing cash registers and deep fryers

Jean-Michel P. Decombe wrote:
> 
> I see no reason to vote NO as long as they don't crosspost unrelated stuff
> to my favourite newsgroups, just like YOU do.
> 
> Whatever happened to freedom of speech? You can't bar people from having
> (even lame) opinions. Your mission, should you accept it, is to convince
> them that they're wrong : ). Well good luck, in my case I'd rather ignore
> them.

Here, here.  Someone with a brain. (Just my opinion.)

Jeff Power
power@nf.sympatico.ca
also:
lunatic@mad.scientist.com

I am not politically minded at all.  I hold no views on any party -
whatever they call themselves.

I am worried that in this climate of free opinion, that people are
trying to censor the right to express them. I don't think it matters if
we agree or not - but are we not turning into those we dislike/disagree
with by dictating to them our views and not allowing them their right to
express theirs?

Just a thought.

In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca>,
"Intrepid" <chrisb@connect.ab.ca> wrote:


>	This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
>some action.

>>>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
>>>>>"rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate out
>>>>>to young people using the Internet.  Newsgroups are public discussions

*Sigh*

This thing is becoming another 'Good Times' or 'Craig Shergold'. I
should check on the BI for this... if it is not cancellable spam yet it
should be real soon now.

OK Folks... Listen up now:

The vote was closed about six months ago. The group failed. The 'no'
vote was around 33,000.

e-Mail whoever you got this from and let them know so that they can
*stop* spreading it around.

See the attached for more information.

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Subject:      Re: rec.music.white-power
From:         rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves)
Date:         1996/11/07
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"J. Michael Jaffe" <jmjaffe@research.haifa.ac.il> writes:
>I've been receiving several messages about a vote on approving or
>denying a new newsgroup called "rec.music.white-power."  Has this vote
>been completed yet?  If not, when is the deadline?  If so, has the
>newsgroup been approved or rejected?

Three words:

 Don't go there.

Yes, it's over. Way, way over. 

If you're serious, please see:

 http://pathfinder.com/Netly/daily/960607.html
 http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/neo.htm
 http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kleim.milton

talk.politics.natl-socialism was dropped, too, but for rather different
reasons. soc.politics.anti-fascism is going to lose for many of the same
reasons that rec.music.white-power did, but the misc.activism.anti-fa.*
hierarchy, which will be proposed Real Soon Now, is expected to pass
without much controversy.

Posted & emailed.
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Studies
That nothing comes from violence                            Remember
John Hron
And nothing ever could
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Please don't bother, the voting period had ended March 18, 1996.

(Readers of year-2000, note the use of 4-digit year;  I expect this thread
to keep going well into the next millennium... :-))


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In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca>, "Intrepid" <chrisb@connect.ab.ca> writes:
|> 
|> 	This is not a joke. 


no - it is old, out of date and long since settled.

Don't bother passing around posts like this that are undated - they
are almost without doubt zombies from the past.

pat

In article <amos.849531768@hub>, Amos Shapir <amos@nsof.co.il> wrote:
>Please don't bother, the voting period had ended March 18, 1996.
>
>(Readers of year-2000, note the use of 4-digit year;  I expect this thread
>to keep going well into the next millennium... :-))

Perhaps it would like to go do it somewhere where it's on-topic ?

Please ?

-- 
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
           Nothing in the above should be read as suggesting that
             I may wish to receive bulk mailshots. I do *NOT*.

In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca>, 
			"Intrepid" <chrisb@connect.ab.ca> writes:
|>
|>	This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
|>some action.
|>
|>>>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
|>>>>>"rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate out
|>>>>>to young people using the Internet.  Newsgroups are public discussions
|>on
|>>>>>the Internet and their formation requires enough support from the
|>Internet
|>>>>>community.


so what? let them have their say, along with anyone else who wants to
form a newsgroup. Whatever you (or I) may think of them, they're just as
valid as anything else - just check out some of the crap in alt.*

As long as they keep to themselves, I think they should be left alone. If
they start a crossposting campaign, they'll get stomped on.

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this really does not belong here, but...

In article <32A0B6B3.2B34@mad.scientist.com> Jeff Power <lunatic@mad.scientist.com> writes:

> Jean-Michel P. Decombe wrote:
> > 
> > I see no reason to vote NO as long as they don't crosspost unrelated stuff
> > to my favourite newsgroups, just like YOU do.
> > 
> > Whatever happened to freedom of speech? You can't bar people from having
> > (even lame) opinions. Your mission, should you accept it, is to convince
> > them that they're wrong : ). Well good luck, in my case I'd rather ignore
> > them.
> 
> Here, here.  Someone with a brain. (Just my opinion.)
> 

What did you learn from history?

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       http://www.psychologie.uni-regensburg.de/peter/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I can't do that. I'm not a nazi in the least but to refrain someone from
their right of religion and freedom of speech would make me a hypocrate.

In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca> "Intrepid" <chrisb@connect.ab.ca> writes:

>        This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
>some action.

>>>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
>>>>>"rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate out
>>>>>to young people using the Internet. 

So I gather that censorship of individuals and groups is 'ok' if it suits YOUR 
agenda, "Intrepid"?  Is that right? You wish to censor these individuals from 
the Internet and control their rights to access what is essentially a public 
forum????

How very ironic, since one of the cornerstones of the Third Reich & Nazi 
Germany was censorship and control of individuals and information.

Where does it end?

Grab a clue,


Douglas A. Schultz II   <dschultz@ti.com>

   "Yeah, well, sometimes nuthin' can be a real cool hand."
       - C.H.L.
  

In article <dschultz.4128.000F0428@ti.com>,
	dschultz@ti.com (Douglas A. Schultz II) writes:
>
> [ very appropriate rage and inappropriate call for censorship snipped ]
> 
> So I gather that censorship of individuals and groups is ok if it suits YOUR 
> agenda, "Intrepid"?  Is that right? You wish to censor these individuals from 
> the Internet and control their rights to access what is essentially a public 
> forum????
> 
> How very ironic, since one of the cornerstones of the Third Reich & Nazi 
> Germany was censorship and control of individuals and information.
> 
> Where does it end?
> 

Perhaps with the formation of a "counter" group, e.g. alt.human.power, 
dedicated to promoting human rights, understanding, and cultural 
pluralism, and to fighting racism, sexism, ethnic and religious hatreds, 
etc.

Fight fire with fire, not censorship.
(and please take this discussion to a more appropriate group -- see
the Followup-to header for a best guess on my part as to what they might be)

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In article <dschultz.4128.000F0428@ti.com>, dschultz@ti.com (Douglas A.
Schultz II) wrote:

> In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca> "Intrepid"
<chrisb@connect.ab.ca> writes:
> 
> >        This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
> >some action.
> 
> >>>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
> >>>>>"rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate out
> >>>>>to young people using the Internet. 
> 
> So I gather that censorship of individuals and groups is 'ok' if it
suits YOUR 
> agenda, "Intrepid"?  Is that right? You wish to censor these individuals from 
> the Internet and control their rights to access what is essentially a public 
> forum????
> 
> How very ironic, since one of the cornerstones of the Third Reich & Nazi 
> Germany was censorship and control of individuals and information.
> 
> Where does it end?
> 
> Grab a clue,
> 
> 
> Douglas A. Schultz II   <dschultz@ti.com>
> 
>    "Yeah, well, sometimes nuthin' can be a real cool hand."
>        - C.H.L.
>  

I know nothing about the mentioned usegroup, but it is in my opinion very
dangerous to muddle up the human rights with 3rd Reich while not
considering  one of the preliminaries of it being the freedom in te
Weimarer Republik that at last was not able to defend itself against the
nazis.

We always have to trade freedom against control, if control means giving
shelter to freedom.

-- 
Martin Frisch
http://www.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de

Sorry, censorship is censorship. Take away someone else's rights and 
there's no protection left for yours. There is a difference between 
speech and action. 

Meanwhile, driving the creeps underground makes it more difficult to 
know who and where they are, and what they're planning to do. 
Identifying your enemy is necessary for defending yourself against them. 

Anyway, this has nothing to do with descent.

Oh well I have few minutes spare so here goes my view.....I have
re-written the origial quote to make it more relevant.......

>        This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
>some action.

>>>>>A group of Java Programmers are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
>>>>>"comp.lang.java.programmer", so that they can get their message of Java is better than 
>>>>>C++  out to young programmers using the Internet. 

For those of you with time on your hands while the kettle is boiling,
could also do similar spots for MS v Sun, Sun v MS, Mac v
Windows....etc etc ooops kettles boiling gotta go.....

Garry Trigger

On Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:00:52, dschultz@ti.com (Douglas A. Schultz II)
wrote:

>In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca> "Intrepid" <chrisb@connect.ab.ca> writes:
>
>>        This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and take
>>some action.
>
>>>>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called
>>>>>>"rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate out
>>>>>>to young people using the Internet. 
>
>So I gather that censorship of individuals and groups is 'ok' if it suits YOUR 
>agenda, "Intrepid"?  Is that right? You wish to censor these individuals from 
>the Internet and control their rights to access what is essentially a public 
>forum????
>
>How very ironic, since one of the cornerstones of the Third Reich & Nazi 
>Germany was censorship and control of individuals and information.
>
>Where does it end?
>
>Grab a clue,
>
>
>Douglas A. Schultz II   <dschultz@ti.com>
>
>   "Yeah, well, sometimes nuthin' can be a real cool hand."
>       - C.H.L.
>  

The only action we can take in a free society is to NOT access the
newsgroup... We could post messages of agitation also, but what would that
accomplish?

Richard

Garry Trigger <GarryTrigger@compuserve.com> wrote in article
<32ee7fe3.416313782@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> Oh well I have few minutes spare so here goes my view.....I have
> re-written the origial quote to make it more relevant.......
> 
> >        This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and
take
> >some action.
> 
> >>>>>A group of Java Programmers are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet
called
> >>>>>"comp.lang.java.programmer", so that they can get their message of
Java is better than 
> >>>>>C++  out to young programmers using the Internet. 

> On Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:00:52, dschultz@ti.com (Douglas A. Schultz II)
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <01bbdd80$7aee2380$c94d22cf@jaclen.connect.ab.ca> "Intrepid"
<chrisb@connect.ab.ca> writes:
> >
> >>        This is not a joke. Serious business, guys.  Please read and
take
> >>some action.
> >
> >>>>>>A group of NEO-NAZIS are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet
called
> >>>>>>"rec.music.white-power", so that they can get their message of hate
out
> >>>>>>to young people using the Internet. 

Oh no Mr. Bill


whatever...