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Gary wrote:
>

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> Apparently you are not aware of the metagame.
> You can play Quake by being a camper, a stalker, a weapon hog, a quad whore,
> etc.
> You can play the metagame of Quake by playing legally, cheating, botting,
> using a Telefrag BoB script
> (i.e. alias qwe "+jump;wait;-jump;wait;kill;qwe")
> When you are playing the game Quake, I am playing the metagame.
> Cheating is perfectly valid if you are willing to accept the consequences.
> I don't cheat on tests because GT has an honor code.
> I cheat in Quake for fun because I don't give a shit if I am banned from
> a server.
> 
>

Honor is defined as "8 a : a keen sense of ethical conduct" see
(http://www.m-w.com/netdict.htm).

Cheating is defined as "1 a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to
violate rules dishonestly (as at cards or on an examination)".

Therefore, an honorable person does not cheat.  Gary Stoogebots admits
to cheating.  However, he CLAIMS that he doesn't cheat on test because
of an honor code.  Everyone should realize that if one is caught
cheating at Georgia Tech or any other school, the person risks failing
the class and being expelled from school.  Thus, the consequences of
being caught is great.  When it comes to Gary's cheating, this has
absolutely *NOTHING* to do with honor.  It has everything to do with
weighing the pros and cons in cheating on
tests/exams/quizzes/projects/homeworks.  When it comes to cheating in
Quake, the pros obviously outweigh the cons.  Thus, he cheats freely and
admits it freely.

If every server op would adopt a policy in which a cheater like Gary was
caught, then he should be banned from not only from that server in which
he was caught but on *ALL* other servers as well.  This way, the cons
are greater.  He risks either playing by himself (in Quake) or playing
with only against other cheaters.

Then there is mr. "I have been accused several times in the past of
cheating but no proof was given sport death".  He and another idiot
wants you to LEAVE if a cheater was found on your server.  Wow.  You and
three of your friends are having fun on E1M3 playing a nice game of
Quake when all of a sudden the git.cheating.club comes along and ruins
the game for you.  Thus, they have the server for themselves.  Isn't
that interesting?  Does this sound anything like bullying tactics to
you?  What better way to get a server all to themselves then to cheat
constantly?  When they had their laugh, they move on to ANOTHER server
and ruin the game for those guys/gals as well.  Ain't multiplayer
cheating great?  I see this as a wave of the future in Quake cheating. 
People no longer cheat because they want to be top dog on the frag
list.  They cheat because it is fun and it is an easy way to get people
to quit from a server and move to another.

It probably would take too much work and coordination to have a large
number of servers ops banned a select idiots from their servers.  So I
suggest to everyone: if you find a git.cheating.club idiot on your
server, tell the others.  Gang up on the idiot.  DO NOT LEAVE.  Their
fun is not in the cheating itself.  Their fun is getting YOU TO LEAVE. 
So don't leave.  Just gang up on the idiots--make it tough for them.  

Followups set to rec.games.computer.quake.playing.

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